Stylus Force Gauge - Suggestions?

Been looking for a Stylus Force Gauge.

Even though the Rega TT proclaims that my tonearm is pre-set, I wanna make sure. I've read some interesting threads on this forum, including @DarqueKnight rather comprehensive (per his usual) comparison comparison from a while back. For reference: https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/67124/a-review-of-four-digital-stylus-pressure-gauges

Unfortunately IIRC the 4 mentioned in his thread are not readily available anymore.

All suggestions and comments are welcome! Not considering price point at this time, just want to see what's out there.
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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 561
    No need to pay more than this https://www.amazon.com/Neoteck-Digital-Turntable-Backlight-Cartridge/dp/B01N9TRSPC/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1543373431&sr=8-7-spons&keywords=digital+vertical+tracker+force+scale+turntable&psc=1 This is the first one I found after a quick search. I have a very similar one...just a different color.

    Look around, and you will see this same scale sold for many times the price at various 'high-end' websites. The only difference is a certain brand name being stenciled onto it. The design is exactly the same, as anyone can see. These units work quite nicely, and are very accurate. I recommend getting one with the 5g calibration weight as included in the link provided.
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  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,598
    edited November 2018
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    The digital ones, most anyways are made in China. I wouldn't pay to much for a digital one. I prefer my Clearaudio manual one it's just as accurate and dont let you down when your digital one's batteries are dead when you go to use it.
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  • JuanRJuanR Posts: 688
    jdjohn wrote: »
    No need to pay more than this https://www.amazon.com/Neoteck-Digital-Turntable-Backlight-Cartridge/dp/B01N9TRSPC/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1543373431&sr=8-7-spons&keywords=digital+vertical+tracker+force+scale+turntable&psc=1 This is the first one I found after a quick search. I have a very similar one...just a different color.

    Look around, and you will see this same scale sold for many times the price at various 'high-end' websites. The only difference is a certain brand name being stenciled onto it. The design is exactly the same, as anyone can see. These units work quite nicely, and are very accurate. I recommend getting one with the 5g calibration weight as included in the link provided.

    You are absolutely correct on this! I have the same one and that's about all you'll need. Just calibrate it each time you use it to make sure its working properly.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    edited November 2018
    Nothing wrong with the ancient & venerable Shure SFG-2.
    An analog balance for analog media :)

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    Otherwise any "dope scale" (as I like to call them) is fine, IMO* You do want one (again, IMO) that's not too "tall", for best results. I use a "tea scale" from Upton Tea in Hopkinton, MA. (real tea, not the stuff that just recently became legal to sell in MA)

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    * and, mind you, I've done quantitative analysis for a living for nigh on four decades. ;)

  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    edited November 2018
    I use this one

    https://www.amazon.com/Riverstone-Audio-Precision-Record-Level-Resolution/dp/B076DFZDS4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543412098&sr=8-1&keywords=vtf+scale

    The platform is right at the height of an lp. if you set it on a bare platter/mat.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,151
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,151
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with the ancient & venerable Shure SFG-2.
    An analog balance for analog media :)

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    Otherwise any "dope scale" (as I like to call them) is fine, IMO* You do want one (again, IMO) that's not too "tall", for best results. I use a "tea scale" from Upton Tea in Hopkinton, MA. (real tea, not the stuff that just recently became legal to sell in MA)

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    * and, mind you, I've done quantitative analysis for a living for nigh on four decades. ;)

    I was given this basic cantilever model and another brand cantilever model also with the TT I just bought last July. They both measured exactly the same when I A/B'd them against one another. B)
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,191
    I am a long term user of the Shure stylus force gauge, but at $39.95 retail now I think I'd recommend looking elsewhere for something new.
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  • verbverb Posts: 4,795
    Tony M wrote: »

    It has multiple uses :wink: so I’ve heard of course :smile:
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    Tony M wrote: »

    oh... yeah... man....

    B)
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,322
    verb wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »

    It has multiple uses :wink: so I’ve heard of course :smile:

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    By the way, you guys are keeping up on the latest official kilogram standard news, right? :)

    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666310991/say-au-revoir-to-that-hunk-of-metal-in-france-that-has-defined-the-kilogram

    Any of all y'all still using balances calibrated to that old kg standard are missin' out, big time! Jaw-dropping differences in PRaT.
    Staggering.
    That new kg just mops the floor with the old kg.

    B)

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  • GOLDEN-EARSGOLDEN-EARS Posts: 12
    edited November 2018
    This digital scale is very accurate and is re-branded by Clearaudio for $275.
    Save some money and just buy this one for $20. It does not have the lip added by Clearaudio but works fine.

    https://www.oldwillknottscales.com/proscale-lc50.html

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  • agfrostagfrost Posts: 2,229
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    By the way, you guys are keeping up on the latest official kilogram standard news, right? :)

    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666310991/say-au-revoir-to-that-hunk-of-metal-in-france-that-has-defined-the-kilogram

    Any of all y'all still using balances calibrated to that old kg standard are missin' out, big time! Jaw-dropping differences in PRaT.
    Staggering.
    That new kg just mops the floor with the old kg.



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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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  • OleBootOleBoot Posts: 413
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    polyhydroxyaldehydes and polyhydroxyketones.
    They taste good, too -- well, many of them do.

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,151
    :s
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • tonyp063tonyp063 Posts: 538
    I would have thought you'd have gone this way Mark :)

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  • verbverb Posts: 4,795
    This tattoo inspired by Professor's unique sense of humor, if I may say! :smile:
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    ^^^ I've been known to say that.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,151
    edited November 2018
    I get it now. :D
    A noun...

    pre·cip·i·tate
    [precipitate]

    VERB
    cause (an event or situation, typically one that is bad or undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.
    "the incident precipitated a political crisis"
    synonyms:
    bring about · bring on · cause · lead to · occasion · give rise to · trigger · [more]
    chemistry
    cause (a substance) to be deposited in solid form from a solution.
    ADJECTIVE
    done, made, or acting suddenly or without careful consideration.
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    synonyms:
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    NOUN
    chemistry
    a substance precipitated from a solution.
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  • agfrostagfrost Posts: 2,229
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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    Might not even have to get that inked on; it looks as if it would probably adhere admirably via hydrogen-bonding with that structure...
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,610
    agfrost wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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    Might not even have to get that inked on; it looks as if it would probably adhere admirably via hydrogen-bonding with that structure...

    You're good...
    I am rolling on the floor here.
  • verbverb Posts: 4,795
    As an engineer, I don't get it! :smile:
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  • verbverb Posts: 4,795
    Rega branded gauge. Looks cool, but $245 ? Wow.
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  • verbverb Posts: 4,795
    Another one. Orb? 400 bucks! Looks well built.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,260
    I use this one

    https://www.amazon.com/Riverstone-Audio-Precision-Record-Level-Resolution/dp/B076DFZDS4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543412098&sr=8-1&keywords=vtf+scale

    The platform is right at the height of an lp. if you set it on a bare platter/mat.

    @verb I use this one too, very easy to operate, consistent and inexpensive.
  • verbverb Posts: 4,795
    My new gauge. Looks identical to the Pro-Ject version, maybe even the same manufacturer, but 1/2 the price.
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    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,021
    verb wrote: »
    My new gauge. Looks identical to the Pro-Ject version, maybe even the same manufacturer, but 1/2 the price.
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    I have that exact same one, works like a dream.
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