Stylus Force Gauge - Suggestions?

Been looking for a Stylus Force Gauge.

Even though the Rega TT proclaims that my tonearm is pre-set, I wanna make sure. I've read some interesting threads on this forum, including @DarqueKnight rather comprehensive (per his usual) comparison comparison from a while back. For reference: https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/67124/a-review-of-four-digital-stylus-pressure-gauges

Unfortunately IIRC the 4 mentioned in his thread are not readily available anymore.

All suggestions and comments are welcome! Not considering price point at this time, just want to see what's out there.
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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 2,987
    No need to pay more than this https://www.amazon.com/Neoteck-Digital-Turntable-Backlight-Cartridge/dp/B01N9TRSPC/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1543373431&sr=8-7-spons&keywords=digital+vertical+tracker+force+scale+turntable&psc=1 This is the first one I found after a quick search. I have a very similar one...just a different color.

    Look around, and you will see this same scale sold for many times the price at various 'high-end' websites. The only difference is a certain brand name being stenciled onto it. The design is exactly the same, as anyone can see. These units work quite nicely, and are very accurate. I recommend getting one with the 5g calibration weight as included in the link provided.
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,056
    edited November 2018
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    The digital ones, most anyways are made in China. I wouldn't pay to much for a digital one. I prefer my Clearaudio manual one it's just as accurate and dont let you down when your digital one's batteries are dead when you go to use it.
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  • JuanR
    JuanR Posts: 715
    jdjohn wrote: »
    No need to pay more than this https://www.amazon.com/Neoteck-Digital-Turntable-Backlight-Cartridge/dp/B01N9TRSPC/ref=sr_1_7_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1543373431&sr=8-7-spons&keywords=digital+vertical+tracker+force+scale+turntable&psc=1 This is the first one I found after a quick search. I have a very similar one...just a different color.

    Look around, and you will see this same scale sold for many times the price at various 'high-end' websites. The only difference is a certain brand name being stenciled onto it. The design is exactly the same, as anyone can see. These units work quite nicely, and are very accurate. I recommend getting one with the 5g calibration weight as included in the link provided.

    You are absolutely correct on this! I have the same one and that's about all you'll need. Just calibrate it each time you use it to make sure its working properly.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    edited November 2018
    Nothing wrong with the ancient & venerable Shure SFG-2.
    An analog balance for analog media :)

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    Otherwise any "dope scale" (as I like to call them) is fine, IMO* You do want one (again, IMO) that's not too "tall", for best results. I use a "tea scale" from Upton Tea in Hopkinton, MA. (real tea, not the stuff that just recently became legal to sell in MA)

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    * and, mind you, I've done quantitative analysis for a living for nigh on four decades. ;)

  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,314
    edited November 2018
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,009
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,009
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with the ancient & venerable Shure SFG-2.
    An analog balance for analog media :)

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    Otherwise any "dope scale" (as I like to call them) is fine, IMO* You do want one (again, IMO) that's not too "tall", for best results. I use a "tea scale" from Upton Tea in Hopkinton, MA. (real tea, not the stuff that just recently became legal to sell in MA)

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    * and, mind you, I've done quantitative analysis for a living for nigh on four decades. ;)

    I was given this basic cantilever model and another brand cantilever model also with the TT I just bought last July. They both measured exactly the same when I A/B'd them against one another. B)
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,346
    I am a long term user of the Shure stylus force gauge, but at $39.95 retail now I think I'd recommend looking elsewhere for something new.
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Tony M wrote: »

    It has multiple uses :wink: so I’ve heard of course :smile:
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,638
    verb wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »

    It has multiple uses :wink: so I’ve heard of course :smile:

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    By the way, you guys are keeping up on the latest official kilogram standard news, right? :)

    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666310991/say-au-revoir-to-that-hunk-of-metal-in-france-that-has-defined-the-kilogram

    Any of all y'all still using balances calibrated to that old kg standard are missin' out, big time! Jaw-dropping differences in PRaT.
    Staggering.
    That new kg just mops the floor with the old kg.

    B)

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  • GOLDEN-EARS
    GOLDEN-EARS Posts: 12
    edited November 2018
    This digital scale is very accurate and is re-branded by Clearaudio for $275.
    Save some money and just buy this one for $20. It does not have the lip added by Clearaudio but works fine.

    https://www.oldwillknottscales.com/proscale-lc50.html

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  • agfrost
    agfrost Posts: 2,421
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    By the way, you guys are keeping up on the latest official kilogram standard news, right? :)

    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/666310991/say-au-revoir-to-that-hunk-of-metal-in-france-that-has-defined-the-kilogram

    Any of all y'all still using balances calibrated to that old kg standard are missin' out, big time! Jaw-dropping differences in PRaT.
    Staggering.
    That new kg just mops the floor with the old kg.



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    Is that your tattoo, Mark?

    Don't even tell me if it's not; from now on I'm picturing your walking around the hard streets of New Hampshire sporting a tattoo of Planck's constant to establish your cred...
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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  • OleBoot
    OleBoot Posts: 2,065
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    polyhydroxyaldehydes and polyhydroxyketones.
    They taste good, too -- well, many of them do.

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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,009
    :s
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • tonyp063
    tonyp063 Posts: 1,044
    I would have thought you'd have gone this way Mark :)

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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    This tattoo inspired by Professor's unique sense of humor, if I may say! :smile:
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    ^^^ I've been known to say that.
  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,009
    edited November 2018
    I get it now. :D
    A noun...

    pre·cip·i·tate
    [precipitate]

    VERB
    cause (an event or situation, typically one that is bad or undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.
    "the incident precipitated a political crisis"
    synonyms:
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    chemistry
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    ADJECTIVE
    done, made, or acting suddenly or without careful consideration.
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    chemistry
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  • agfrost
    agfrost Posts: 2,421
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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    Might not even have to get that inked on; it looks as if it would probably adhere admirably via hydrogen-bonding with that structure...
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    agfrost wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Sorry -- that's the arm of one of the NIST guys in the photo I posted. Guess the PI and one of his henchpeople got inked in celebration of their feat :)

    I'd probably go with an oligosaccharide structure; maybe sialyl-Lewis(x) antigen.

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    Might not even have to get that inked on; it looks as if it would probably adhere admirably via hydrogen-bonding with that structure...

    You're good...
    I am rolling on the floor here.
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    As an engineer, I don't get it! :smile:
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Rega branded gauge. Looks cool, but $245 ? Wow.
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Another one. Orb? 400 bucks! Looks well built.
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  • FestYboy
    FestYboy Posts: 3,861

    @verb I use this one too, very easy to operate, consistent and inexpensive.
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    My new gauge. Looks identical to the Pro-Ject version, maybe even the same manufacturer, but 1/2 the price.
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    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,708
    verb wrote: »
    My new gauge. Looks identical to the Pro-Ject version, maybe even the same manufacturer, but 1/2 the price.
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    I have that exact same one, works like a dream.
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