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Is there a way to build-in LSiM over a fireplace?

T-RT-R Registered UserPosts: 5
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Just would like to hear suggestions and perhaps someone has already done that.
I have a 5.1 system consisting of LSi9/M/FX. Recently moved to a new house and would like to hang a TV over a fireplace. At the moment it's all brick but I don't like it so it will be "re-skinned" anyway so I'm curious if anyone has ever set up LSiM over a fireplace.
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,750
    If you have a shelf, it'll be perfectly fine, as long as it doesn't get too hot there.
    If you're asking about building it into the wall... I wouldn't.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,463
    Short answer is...no. You really don't want them up that high anyway, unless you want to install wall brackets and angle them down. That also includes having to run wires up the inner walls.

    Maybe pop up a pic, says more so we can see what you have to work with.
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  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,710
    I absolutely despise the TV over the fireplace trend. Looks cool, but is the worst place for it.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,575
    Well it depends on the height of the fireplace. If it’s low and gas, then you might be able to mount the center more or less ear height and tv not too high. But I agree with Dave that if the tv has to be well above eye height, then it’s not very visually appealing or easy to see without a crick in ur neck. And yes, tony is right that wires are also an issue, but if your already running wires for a tv then it might not be a big issue...
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,315
    Me, I don't like the TV over the fireplace either, give a sore neck.

    LSIM are rear ported so they need room to breath. Putting one on a shelf won't give enough room. They are also heavy, so the shelf would require good mounting which might be an eyesore.

    With that said it can be done, you might not like it and be stuck with it.

    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,575
    With the power port mounting against the wall should be okay. But yes it needs to be angled at the seated ear level....
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,818
    TV's do not belong over the fireplace.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,463
    F1nut wrote: »
    TV's do not belong over the fireplace.


    Agreed....especially a wood burning one. Too high for me also, but some simply like the look rather than functionality. I'd rather be comfortable watching TV, than worrying about aesthetics....or if it looks like that magazine ad.

    Then of course is the problem of retro fitting a HT system, with all it's wires, speakers, and a center channel that never fits on a mantel. All the electronics too.

    Your best bet, if you want a TV over the fireplace, in my opinion, is to go in-ceiling speakers, or in-walls. Maybe even on-wall speakers, which they make some darn good ones these days but not very cheap.
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,622
    I guess the trend started because a lot of fireplaces would traditionally have a mirror on the wall above them. And ladies could agree to replacing the mirror with a flat screen because it would not affect furniture placement elsewhere in the room. Also, the fireplace is usually the focal point in a room and placing a tv elsewhere is awkward.

    If a flat screen above a fireplace is the only room option, a soundbar would be a better choice to get improved sound.
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,750
    edited October 2018
    Or, if he sits on axis while he watches TV, couldn't he use a "phantom center" by switching the center off in the menus?
    We have friends who have their TV over their fireplace, and it actually looks nice, until you have to watch it.
    In Florida, however, fireplaces are for the looks... no one ever actually uses them, AFAIK.
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    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
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  • T-RT-R Registered User Posts: 5
    edited October 2018
    Thanks guys for all the feedback,
    I was reading somewhere that 15 degree angle relative to your eyes is OK. That's about the case with my room. The room is huge and the wood burning fireplace in smack in the middle of the long-side wall. Putting it in a corner is not an option because it screws up the entire furniture layout. IMO if done properly (like, Samsung FrameTV with "modern" finish walls), it can look really nice. I can certainly angle it.

    Just wondering if anyone has ever done something like this so I can see it. I think it will look out of place if it's just the speaker so probably need to run a shelf the entire length of the fireplace and fill it with some sort of decorations to blend the speaker in.

    Wiring is also not a problem at all because I'd like to cover up the bricks so running wires is trivial.

    I really don't want to sell my speakers and get something else. I really like them and of course I don't want to spend more $$. Plus, it's a cathedral ceiling so it's not that simple.
    Yes, I know that they may not fill the room but it's certainly better than nothing (what I have now).

    I will post pictures this weekend.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,463
    I can tell you from experience, with a wood burning fireplace and a TV over it, or even next to it....your TV will be toast inside 2 years from the ash. I moved my TV to the opposite side of the room and still got ash inside. Winter time, my fireplace is going probably 5 days out of the week.

    That's if you use it , if you never use the fireplace then rock on.
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,203
    edited October 2018
    I have a CS400i from the old house that was sitting on the mantel over the fireplace. Plasma TV was wall mounted above it. After a short period of time, the fireplace heat caused the vinyl to shrink and de-laminate from the front face of the cabinet. Now it's a project waiting to be fixed. Lessons learned.
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,315
    The horror stories on mounting a TV over the fireplace.

    My bro lived in Seattle for a few years, Best place for the TV was over the gas fireplace. So he had pro's come and install everything with a nice in wall center speaker. Took two week and the center speaker melted. The installer replaced it and put a box around it. by spring the TV was done... He wound up moving the TV and everything to the opposite wall. In his new house they offered pre wiring for the fireplace mounted TV... Nope not again.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,575
    verb wrote: »
    I have a CS400i from the old house that was sitting on the mantel over the fireplace. Plasma TV was wall mounted above it. After a short period of time, the fireplace heat caused the vinyl to shrink and de-laminate from the front face of the cabinet. Now it's a project waiting to be fixed. Lessons learned.

    Easy fix. Strip that vinyl off (it’ll peel right off) and then take the bezel and speakers out and spray paint the front black (I just did the whole box). Whole thing took me about 30 minutes maybe...
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,203
    ken brydson wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    I have a CS400i from the old house that was sitting on the mantel over the fireplace. Plasma TV was wall mounted above it. After a short period of time, the fireplace heat caused the vinyl to shrink and de-laminate from the front face of the cabinet. Now it's a project waiting to be fixed. Lessons learned.

    Easy fix. Strip that vinyl off (it’ll peel right off) and then take the bezel and speakers out and spray paint the front black (I just did the whole box). Whole thing took me about 30 minutes maybe...

    Black paint? The hell you say...

    Where can I get black paint? :smile:
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,750
    verb wrote: »
    ken brydson wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    I have a CS400i from the old house that was sitting on the mantel over the fireplace. Plasma TV was wall mounted above it. After a short period of time, the fireplace heat caused the vinyl to shrink and de-laminate from the front face of the cabinet. Now it's a project waiting to be fixed. Lessons learned.

    Easy fix. Strip that vinyl off (it’ll peel right off) and then take the bezel and speakers out and spray paint the front black (I just did the whole box). Whole thing took me about 30 minutes maybe...

    Black paint? The hell you say...

    Where can I get black paint? :smile:

    It’s for the wood. :)
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    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,575
    I can hook you up for a price!!!
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  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,789
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I can hook you up for a price!!!

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,575
    I gots to pay for college for the kiddos somehow. At least I’m just selling paint!
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,780
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I gots to pay for college for the kiddos somehow. At least I’m just selling paint!

    You are selling snake oil. Everybody knows black paint no longer exists.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,534
    DaveHo wrote: »
    I absolutely despise the TV over the fireplace trend. Looks cool, but is the worst place for it.

    Doesn't even look cool. Looks like k r a p, and is too high for decent viewing. Or even any type of viewing.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 16,746
    Speaking of too high where ya been Bud? :wink:
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,463
    BlueFox wrote: »
    DaveHo wrote: »
    I absolutely despise the TV over the fireplace trend. Looks cool, but is the worst place for it.

    Doesn't even look cool. Looks like k r a p, and is too high for decent viewing. Or even any type of viewing.

    Unless your in a bar. Who wants that kind of viewing at home though.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,575
    Did you schmucks actually read his description of the room? Sometimes you just got to do the best with what you got. We've been casually perusing houses, and there are a number where mounting the TV above the fireplace is really the only viable option in the main living room. It't not ideal, but if its not too high and you can angle it as he says, its not the worst. If its super high, I would really try to figure something else out.

    I will agree with others that if its a wood burning fireplace and the OP plans to use it regularly, then that will likely ruin the TV and/or speaker...
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,203
    My plasma that was mounted above the fireplace had a mount with an adjustable up/down angle. I was able to rotate it down enough so the viewing angle was good.
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  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 5,137
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Did you schmucks actually read his description of the room? Sometimes you just got to do the best with what you got. We've been casually perusing houses, and there are a number where mounting the TV above the fireplace is really the only viable option in the main living room. It't not ideal, but if its not too high and you can angle it as he says, its not the worst. If its super high, I would really try to figure something else out.

    I will agree with others that if its a wood burning fireplace and the OP plans to use it regularly, then that will likely ruin the TV and/or speaker...

    I've said this before. I don't like it myself, but I get that sometimes it's the only real option with a lot of floor plans. It's best in large, open floor plans, which are great, but often eliminate walls that would be better options, if they existed... A high mount is more acceptable at a greater viewing distance.
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Monoprice Above Fireplace Pull-Down Full-Motion Articulating TV Wall Mount Bracket For TVs 55in to 100in, Max Weight 154lbs, VESA Patterns Up to 800x400, Rotating , Height Adjustable

    These things are ridiculous. Seems like a good idea, but not very practical, unless you watch a lot of TV and keep them down - where they look awful and possibly pose a hazard.

    Also, a 100" TV on this thing? No freaking way!
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