The DEMON is coming...
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Maybe rename this thread The Demon was here and gone.....................
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Maybe rename this thread The Demon was here and gone.....................
Or maybe: "The Demon Has Been Exorcised!" -
The Demon has been sent back to H**L!
Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
“Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
--Mark Twain.
“If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright -
The Subaru is pretty much the de facto official vehicle for much of Northern New England (FWIW). They have a bit of a checkered reputation for long-term reliability (there used to be a head gasket thing, e.g.) but they seem to be better now.
Our daughter & son-in-law recently got a used Outback; and his mom bought a new Outback a couple of years ago.
I think there's a fair chance that my next car may be a Soobie.
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A guy I know bought a nice outback about a year ago for almost nothing.
You're right, the head gasket was leaking. It was a 400.00 fix. He still stole that car for what he paid knowing it needed a Gasket job.
It was older than the one in your pick but it wasn't that old at all. I was envious in a way.Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
“Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
--Mark Twain.
“If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright -
A guy I know bought a nice outback about a year ago for almost nothing.
You're right, the head gasket was leaking. It was a 400.00 fix. He still stole that car for what he paid knowing it needed a Gasket job.
It was older than the one in your pick but it wasn't that old at all. I was envious in a way.
Our son in law helped his buddy change the head gaskets on an ancient Subaru last year -- and he (S-I-L, that is) has an engine hoist.
He says "aww, we can change the head gaskets, no problem!" ...
They went to more robust head gaskets ca. 2010. I think that one's a 2010 or 2011.
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This is very true. And it was quite shocking after living in Florida for 15 years and probably seeing 3 Subarus the entire time I was there and then it seemed like EVERY OTHER VEHICLE in Vermont bore the seal of the Seven Sisters.mhardy6647 wrote: »The Subaru is pretty much the de facto official vehicle for much of Northern New England (FWIW).
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Probaby worth mentioning at this juncture that Subaru, at least as I understand it, is Japanese for Pleiades (the Seven Sisters*).
Now back to our regularly scheduled Demons.
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* Who may or may not have worn sensible shoes, as, it is said, do many female Subaru drivers (ahem)
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Thanks, Mark. Somehow I knew you would know that. The people from there like strawberry ice cream. (FWIW)
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Can’t really say I’m that disappointed honestly. I halfway expected this after the car got shuttled around for two months after it was assembled. Lot damage happens all the time in the car business, and most is never disclosed.
I should have been contacted and had the situation explained, and Dodge should have done a correct repair instead of trying to half-a$$ it like the did. How a competent repair supervisor signed off on that is beyond me.
This bugs me because a friend of mine custom-ordered a Challenger SRT8 (dropped about $50k on it) a few years ago. IIRC he waited about 4 months for it to be delivered, but he was kept in the loop along the way, even had the window sticker that proclaimed the car was built especially for him. This is where it really gets frustrating/confusing; you WORK for Dodge, don't you? You are an employee and it took 10 months and the thing is damaged, not cool at all. Imagine the unsuspecting people who don't have the "inside info" you do, taking delivery of a +/- $100k car after waiting almost a year, only to have the deal fall apart because of poor quality control. The car was shuttled around for 2 months after assembly? Why?
Unacceptable any way you look at it.
So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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It's because Fiat/Chrysler is programmed and staffed to primarily sell cheap economy cars that require a lot of after sale remedial servicing to make up for the shabby build quality and cheap sales prices, not expensive vehicles that cost as much or more than high end import vehicles. It's a business model that works for them, not necessarily the customer. It's a shame because some of their vehicles are fantastic performers, the vehicles tend to look really nice, and the technology in them appears to be cutting edge. At least that's been my experience for the last 30 years.
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Interesting thread. @nooshinjohn sorry for your loss. It is a disappointment for sure.
I can say that (yes I'm in the biz) the big auto manufacturers simply do not know how to build boutique cars well. They're constrained to build these things on a normal assembly lines, 50-60 per hour, which doesn't allow for the special care and attention that a boutique vehicle requires.
IIRC Brampton Assembly which built your Demon has an annual volume is over 200k units/year! So they intermix the Demon with other production vehicles on the same line. That is always a risk.
By comparison, Bowling Green assembly which builds the Corvette, only builds Corvettes! Line rate is much slower, and since they only focus on one model, the processes can be optimized to ensure the best possible outcome. Not perfect by any means, but a mature plant that knows how to build a single model is a better choice.
Even the tires on the Demon would not fit on the assembly equipment! They have to use facsimile tires during assembly and retrofit the real tires end of line. Not a big issue, but an example of trying to squeeze in a vehicle that does not really fit!
Will they get there? Eventually, yes, but the normal growing pains that arise whenever you launch a new vehicle are exacerbated with a specialty vehicle.
The customer's expectations toward a boutique vehicle are orders of magnitude higher than a normal high volume production vehicle. Another reason why special assembly processes and care/attention must be in order.
Again, very sorry it didn't work out for you.
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I will probably regret my decision to walk away at some point, and come Monday morning, somebody else will have my car in their garage. 15 years from now, perhaps my car is worth 5 times what I paid for it...
I was never a Dodge guy to start with, but the unique nature of this car got me... at the very least, I got to play a small part in the history of the muscle car in general, and built a car that is here because I wanted it that way.....
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Was it that test drive coming back to haunt you all ready?Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
“Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
--Mark Twain.
“If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright -
Not really, but the intoxicating sound of that supercharged V8 on startup and settles into idle, and then dropping the car into gear and you begin to feel the awesome power of this beast at your command, it is a thrill that little else can touch. Then you drop you foot and unleash hellish amounts of torque to those fat rear wheels and everything becomes a blur, except for what is right in front of you. The only thing I have ever felt like that was the take-off roll of an F/A-18... but that comes on more smoothly. This is an instantaneous jolt. Somebody compared it to the space shuttle in terms of the launch this car has.
I may still end up with one of these, perhaps a Hellcat Widebody in the same exact colors, but I am going to take a long step back for now.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it? -
Your description of take-off makes me want a Demon now!
Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
“Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
--Mark Twain.
“If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.” - Steven Wright -
My buds HellCat. I don't think that car will have the allure of the Demon in the future. -
I don’t understand how a brand new car can be riddled with rust underneath it. Sorry to hear about the troubles. Giving it back was a good decision.
To be honest the corvette will probably be more fun anyway 2 channel:
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I don’t understand how a brand new car can be riddled with rust underneath it. Sorry to hear about the troubles. Giving it back was a good decision.
To be honest the corvette will probably be more fun anyway
The underbody was not as bad as feared. Light oxidation on some of the aluminum is all I could see.
An update here is that the car has already been sold... to my best friend's brother in law! He lives just a couple miles from me, so I will be seeing the car from time to time, and if he does decide to sell, I am first up. He flips cars like most change underwear. He is also looking at payments of over 2k a month for 84 months! We were going to pay cash...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it? -
hope the happy owner's getting gap insurance
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“2k a month for 84 months!”
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Sounds like PFB is a consultant on this thread....so what was the selling price and the loan % .....just doesn't sound right knowing what others have paid and what their payments are...................oh well I like the thread on the hellcat boards better..............done posting on this fairy tale with no pictures thread....bottom line be the wife said no and you listened......nothing more nothing less mama said no Demon and thus no Demon end of story...................
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I hope not, as it's nice to have yet another reason to throw FCA under the bus. I'd like to think that they effed the car up royally; sounds like (mo)par for the course to me.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »I don’t understand how a brand new car can be riddled with rust underneath it. Sorry to hear about the troubles. Giving it back was a good decision.
To be honest the corvette will probably be more fun anyway
The underbody was not as bad as feared. Light oxidation on some of the aluminum is all I could see.
An update here is that the car has already been sold... to my best friend's brother in law! He lives just a couple miles from me, so I will be seeing the car from time to time, and if he does decide to sell, I am first up. He flips cars like most change underwear. He is also looking at payments of over 2k a month for 84 months! We were going to pay cash...
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Sounds like PFB is a consultant on this thread....so what was the selling price and the loan % .....just doesn't sound right knowing what others have paid and what their payments are...................oh well I like the thread on the hellcat boards better..............done posting on this fairy tale with no pictures thread....bottom line be the wife said no and you listened......nothing more nothing less mama said no Demon and thus no Demon end of story...................
128k, including taxes, plus 15k upside down on a Hellcat and interest of 30k, divided by 84 months equals 2059.00 a month. Would be happy to post a copy of the transport claim if you like... my pictures are too big for me to email and too big to post without resizing them, but I will get around to it .The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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guess you should have sold it for twice what ya paid for it when you had the so called offer............................ $30,000 interest.... damn is Tony B financing this?? never doubted there is a car,followed your thread on hellcat so I know the car is real...
do doubt anyone offered this though...jmho.....
"It is a risk, but given the track record of other very low volume cars and the historic nature of this particular car, it is a risk worth taking. I already have an offer on the table at double my buy price"...
Bottom line....at the end of the day Mama said no
end of story.....i would bet that even in perfect shape you would have made the same decision...well at least according to your posts on another board....... -
I should have taken the offer, but it dealt with having to ship the car to the Middle East, and given the possibility for a scam, I chose not to. The post on the other board are quite clear. If the car was perfect or at least 98 of 100, it would be outside right now. I would ask that if you have an issue, keep it on the other board, otherwise, stay out of my thread, as you already said you were.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it? -
^ there just something sexy about the rear of the latest generation mustangs.... That's where I'd be leaning.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »I don’t understand how a brand new car can be riddled with rust underneath it. Sorry to hear about the troubles. Giving it back was a good decision.
To be honest the corvette will probably be more fun anyway
The underbody was not as bad as feared. Light oxidation on some of the aluminum is all I could see.
An update here is that the car has already been sold... to my best friend's brother in law! He lives just a couple miles from me, so I will be seeing the car from time to time, and if he does decide to sell, I am first up. He flips cars like most change underwear. He is also looking at payments of over 2k a month for 84 months! We were going to pay cash...
That's a nice mortgage payment!
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