Modifications to the RTA 15TL

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  • RandyCroissant
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    Nice to see some serious effort going in to those Polks
    Yamaha RXA1030, Yamaha CD-S2100, Yamaha AS-2200, Bluesound node 2i
    Polk SDA2btl highly modded
    Polk SDA 1C modded
    Polk CS350 LS x2
    Kimber 8TC
    Sony 55" Bravia
    Wish list SVS sub

  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,759
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    +++ Very nice work
    Randy-Maine
    2ch-RTA15tl crossover upgrade
    by David WMG
    Yamaha cr1000 cr2040
    HT-Yamaha Parasound Acurus
    MIT BJC Cs1000p Polk Rotation
  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,759
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    Are those SPIKED yet :)
    Randy-Maine
    2ch-RTA15tl crossover upgrade
    by David WMG
    Yamaha cr1000 cr2040
    HT-Yamaha Parasound Acurus
    MIT BJC Cs1000p Polk Rotation
  • tonyp063
    tonyp063 Posts: 1,157
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    Nicely done. Very pleasing to the eye.
    What does the ear say?
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
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    And well, i swapped the 90's looking feet to new black aluminium ones (44x17mm round with a rubber insert)

    Spikes are a much better idea than the amplifier feet.
  • Fanatic
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    Needless to say, i like the sound they poduce, else i wouldn't put all this effort in making new grilles! ;)

    About the spikes, its not really an option at the moment, since one of the speakers are placed on tiles/wooden floor. If i'll be using spikes it will be when they're placed in another room with "proper" flooring.

    At the moment im running a DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core in the system, and the Anti-Mode probably produces more wonders than the spikes would have done in my room.
  • leesonic
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    I wish I still had my RTA-15TLs. I never got a chance to fully listen to them. I bought them after we sold our house, and so that sat in a storage unit for a while, along with a pair of AR9LSi. I had to sell them because I needed the money, now they never seem to come up for sale around the South Jersey/Philly area. I would buy them back given the chance, I'm buying the ARs back.

    I always wondered, what would happen if you "boarded up" the rear facing passive radiator? Maybe with a piece of 3/4" MDF screwed into the same holes as the passive, and will a gasket to stop air leaks. I find that speakers without rear ports (or passives) are easier to place in my room.

    Lee.
  • Fanatic
    Fanatic Posts: 9
    edited September 2016
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    leesonic wrote: »
    I wish I still had my RTA-15TLs. I never got a chance to fully listen to them. I bought them after we sold our house, and so that sat in a storage unit for a while, along with a pair of AR9LSi. I had to sell them because I needed the money, now they never seem to come up for sale around the South Jersey/Philly area. I would buy them back given the chance, I'm buying the ARs back.

    I always wondered, what would happen if you "boarded up" the rear facing passive radiator? Maybe with a piece of 3/4" MDF screwed into the same holes as the passive, and will a gasket to stop air leaks. I find that speakers without rear ports (or passives) are easier to place in my room.

    Lee.

    Removing the rear radiator is not a good idea, since it's needed to reproduce lowest frequenceys. You could probably remove both passives and compensate with ports (carefully calculated and tested). But my guess is you'll suffer from distorsion when trying to reproduce the same SPL levels as with the passives.


    This is just why i'm using the Anti-Mode,i cant't place any speaker in my room without placing them really close to the wall. The Anti-Mode removes all the boomyness and excessive bass, if i'm not wrong it does also compensate frequenceys with time, so the result is just tight,heavy and articulated bass! Well worth the money if you have limited placement options for your speakers. :)
  • Fanatic
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    So i finished the new grills yesterday evening. B)


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    So the next question, which emblem/badge should i add to the grills? and where?
    I was thinking top center or bottom, not like the original ones (just above the pr).

  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,759
    edited September 2016
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    Excellen work. That shiny top look sweet :)
    Randy-Maine
    2ch-RTA15tl crossover upgrade
    by David WMG
    Yamaha cr1000 cr2040
    HT-Yamaha Parasound Acurus
    MIT BJC Cs1000p Polk Rotation
  • leesonic
    leesonic Posts: 16
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    I finally managed to get another pair of these a few weeks ago. They had one Peerless and one SL-3000 tweeter, which I replaced with RD0198s when I did the crossover mods over the weekend.

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    Here is a shot of the original crossovers, with a production date of 12/10/90 :

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    Here they are restored with Solen caps, and Dayton Audio Grade resistors. I went with the Dayton resistors because I wanted to get all the parts from the same source to save on shipping, Parts Express matched the Madisound price on the Solen caps. Some people have used additional boards for the larger caps, but I found with some deft positioning of the components, I was able to get them all on one board, and more importantly to fit back through the hole. I used the original woofer inductor, but used the a Dayton one for the tweeter.

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    There was an unused solder pad on the board that I was able to use to fit the 0.5R resistor. Those wires might look a bit tight in that area from the 0.5R resistor, the 2.7R, and the 12uF cap, but they are all going down to the same pad anyway.

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    Here they are going back in. Notice I swapped the tweeter polarity on the board, not at the tweeter. I meant to take pictures of the new RD0198 tweeters, but forgot.

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    Lee.
  • boston1450
    boston1450 Posts: 7,759
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    Excellent job. I think youll enjoy the tweeters much better then the way it was. Cant imagine why someone would mismatch tweeters
    Randy-Maine
    2ch-RTA15tl crossover upgrade
    by David WMG
    Yamaha cr1000 cr2040
    HT-Yamaha Parasound Acurus
    MIT BJC Cs1000p Polk Rotation
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  • leesonic
    leesonic Posts: 16
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    I used Dayton non inductive resistors instead. As I mentioned above, I wanted to get all the parts from one source, as shipping costs start to add up. I don't mind if it's for more expensive parts (like the parts I just ordered for a NAD 2700 power amp), but for just a few caps and resistors? Parts Express was nice enough to match Madisounds price on the Solens. If you hear the difference between Dayton and Mills resistors, you've got better ears than me.

    Lee.
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,631
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    leesonic wrote: »
    I used Dayton non inductive resistors instead. As I mentioned above, I wanted to get all the parts from one source, as shipping costs start to add up. I don't mind if it's for more expensive parts (like the parts I just ordered for a NAD 2700 power amp), but for just a few caps and resistors? Parts Express was nice enough to match Madisounds price on the Solens. If you hear the difference between Dayton and Mills resistors, you've got better ears than me.

    Lee.

    In the DIY community, Dayton stuff is used very regularly with spectacular results.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited July 2017
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    K_M wrote: »
    leesonic wrote: »
    I used Dayton non inductive resistors instead. As I mentioned above, I wanted to get all the parts from one source, as shipping costs start to add up. I don't mind if it's for more expensive parts (like the parts I just ordered for a NAD 2700 power amp), but for just a few caps and resistors? Parts Express was nice enough to match Madisounds price on the Solens. If you hear the difference between Dayton and Mills resistors, you've got better ears than me.

    Lee.

    In the DIY community, Dayton stuff is used very regularly with spectacular results.

    That's only because they haven't used better components to know that Dayton stuff isn't spectacular.
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  • leesonic
    leesonic Posts: 16
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    I knew there would be people on here that would whine and moan if I didn't use the Solen caps. Usually, I would have used PEX caps from Erse Audio, or Dayton caps. I've done plenty of crossover restorations using these caps, and have had no complaints, both on my own stuff and speakers I've restored for others. You can see my threads over on AudioKarma, same user ID as this one.

    Caps are a subject that people have strong but very misguided opinions on. Some people with unlimited funds prefer caps with 24ct gold foil, using the finest snake oil as the electrolyte, soaked in pure silk sheets from free range (not battery) silkworms, and hand-rolled on the thighs of dusky maidens. Me, I've already said what I use. The fact is, a Dayton, Erse, or Solen cap is going to be miles better than a 20 year old electrolytic, so don't lose any sleep over it, just listen to the music.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
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    Sorry, there are people here with more experience using caps you haven't used that know how much better they are. Since you've never tried any your comments mean nothing.
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  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 317
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    Good Morning All. After spending several years accumulating and restoring Carver Amazings, I have found mayself back dabbling with Polks again. I still think my fully modded SDA 1C are the best speakers I own,

    Anyway, I have just acquired a pair 15tl's in great shape from the original owner. I am trying to decide whter to go down this update path. Great work by Decato.

    My first question for all of the experts here is are these supposed sealed cabinets like my RTA 12c's and other models with passives. I do not get any movement of the passive cones when I press on the drivers.
    Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
    Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
    Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c
  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 317
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    Thank you to decato for his great work.

    I have just acquired a pair of 15tl's. Quick,question. I assume these are supposed to be sealed cabinets since they have passive radiators. I do not get the expected defection of the drivers when I press and hold one of the cones.
    Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
    Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
    Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c
  • FestYboy
    FestYboy Posts: 3,861
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    You shouldn't press on the driver, you SHOULD press on the passive. A single MW won't displace enough air to significantly move the passive. Think of it like a hydraulic circuit.
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  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 317
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    Yes. I found a post suggesting to push on both passives at the same time. My enclosures are sealed well. Thanks.
    Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
    Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
    Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c
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  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 317
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    My postings were delayed for some reason. Maybe because it has been so long since I posted. I think the meantime I found d a post somewhere suggesting that both the front and rear passive should be pressed at the same time. The cabinet is indeed sealed. Thanks.
    Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
    Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
    Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c
  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 317
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    My postings were delayed for some reason. Maybe because it has been so long since I posted. I think the meantime I found d a post somewhere suggesting that both the front and rear passive should be pressed at the same time. The cabinet is indeed sealed. Thanks.
    Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
    Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
    Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c
  • leesonic
    leesonic Posts: 16
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    I did the passive radiator modification today, as described on page one of this thread. Basically, this involves removing the SW104 passive radiator with the most weight on it (called "low resonance" by Polk), swapping the SW100 front "high resonance" one to the back, and using an SW105 passive in the front.

    Here are some pictures of the passive radiators. The SW105 has a small mass in the center, the SW100 has a larger mass, and the SW104 has two of these masses stacked on top of each other. There is no real difference otherwise in their construction when viewed from the rear.

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    Here is one of them next to my Dayton/Advent Frankenspeakers.

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    Regarding my comment above about people complaining over what caps or resistors I used. It wasn't intended to upset or offend anyone. I too have done a lot of crossover work in my time, I've been into this hobby since I was probably around 10 or 11. Other kids used to read comic books, I used to read HiFi magazines. The fact is, pretty much any cap would be an improvement over 30+ year old electrolytics that have dried up. Everyone has their favourite flavour of caps, each to their own. It would be a dull old World if we all liked the same. The other fact is, I'm pushing 50 now, so I probably couldn't hear the difference between Mills and Dayton resistors. The mind is a very strange and peculiar thing, if it's telling us that one cap, inductor, or resistor sounds better than another one, we can't argue with that.

    We're all cool, right? Like Sir Richard Starkey AKA Ringo Starr would say : "Peace and love, peace and love".

    Lee.
  • leesonic
    leesonic Posts: 16
    edited March 2018
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    Who? Fluffy?

    He's been off his food a little bit lately. He tries to drink milk, but it goes right through him.