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    edited November 2017
    ITS A REBATE, some more some less
    It's still a subsidize
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    If another taxpayer's not chippin' in that tax rebated dollar, than it's another dollar added to the national debt...
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    Type: State Incentives
    Jurisdiction: NJ
    ZEVs sold, rented, or leased in New Jersey are exempt from state sales and use tax. This exemption is not applicable to partial ZEVs, including hybrid electric vehicles. ZEVs are defined as vehicles that meet California Air Resources Board zero emissions standards for that model year. For a list of qualifying ZEVs certified as such, see the New Jersey Department of the Treasury ZEV Sales Tax Exemption website. (Reference New Jersey Statutes 54:32B-8.55)

    Even exempt from sales tax
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    Lasareath wrote: »
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    All New Technology suffers this fate. Because everything is changing very quickly.

    It's exactly like the SmartPhone. A SmartPhone from 4 years ago sells for $50 but the one from today is $1000

    People like myself don't buy an EV to resell it. We buy it because we want the latest tech.

    I've never traded in a car, I've driven everyone I've ever owned for 10 years and they were all worth crap at that point.

    Drive a truck
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    Sure thing Sal, right after you mine all the cobalt and handle all the other nasty stuff in your batteries.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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    Chargers are also subsidized
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    May the EV Gawd bless you...go preach somewhere else
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    Lasareath wrote: »
    ...So, Taxpayers are not coughing it up. It's based on your personal taxes. Not the Public's...

    This is one of the things liberal progressives can never seem to understand - the government cannot give (or discount, credit, deduct, or whatever you want to call it) to one individual that which it has not first taken from someone else. THAT'S how the government pick winners and losers. Just like it gives Elon BILLIONS of dollars, then everyone lauds him as a genius. If he hadn't gotten those billions, there would be no Tesla Motors. Period.

    As for your "test" of running cars in the garage, that's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. Tell you what - I'll stick my hands in a bucket of gasoline for 5 minutes, and you stick your hands in a 480v quickcharge box for the same 5 minutes. I can have direct contact with my fuel without being killed - you cannot. See how stupid that premis is...?

    Just because you like the government making all of your decisions for you does not mean the rest of us do. In fact, many of us think the government makes too many decisions as it is - they sure as he11 don't need to be deciding what I drive.
    “Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.”
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    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
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    That is an Environmental Issue. A Real one. Globally Eventually It's gotta be an Issue, After a Billion Cars spewing Exhaust. Forget about Warming Anything. Where does the Exhaust Go?

    As we all (should) know the carbon emissions are collected by plants and trees and along with water and sunlight are used in photosynthesis, allowing the plants and trees to produce (sugar) and release oxygen (which we then breathe). Great ain't it!?

    Also, a lot of carbon emissions goes into the ocean, forming limestone as one example.
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    Interesting thread....Petroleum will never be replaced until technology comes up with a fuel that provides the same or greater fuel/work transfer ratio...So far only petroleum provides that....Of course we are only talking mechanized uses..not talking about the skads of other uses that the petroleum industry provides right?..
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    One of MANY issues with EV's the greenies ignore.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/aug/24/nickel-mining-hidden-environmental-cost-electric-cars-batteries

    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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    Where does the exhaust gas go ?
    I've personally had the trees in the neighbor thank me (in their own fashion) for supplying them with the carbon dioxide they need to exist.

    There's 422 trees for every human on the planet.

    The environmental crisis is actually a pollution crisis.
    Worth looking into some facts, IMO.

    Sal Palooza
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    charley95 wrote: »
    I know a guy that has a 76 Cadillac with a 455 4 barrel in it if that means anything. Last I checked with him he was getting about 3 gallons to the mile.

    Cadillac never built a 455... they had a 500, but never a 455.
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    edited November 2017
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
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    Cadillac never built a 455... they had a 500, but never a 455.

    Was it mint green with posi
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    Yeah, 455 sounds like an Oldsmobile. My brother had a Cadillac with a 472 and another with a 500.
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    Lasareath wrote: »
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    Jesse, You can post as many articles as you want. But after 10 years of driving an EV and Gas car, the EV gives out 53% less pollution

    That will be the death of the Gas Powered Car.

    (And they say that % is rising)

    You continue to ignore the actual environmental impact of EV's, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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    edited November 2017
    Sal... there is one toxic chemical being emitted in this very thread, and by you. I don’t know if you heard of it, but it’s called BS. I was hoping when you returned, you would have turned over a new Leaf, and stuck to audio, but you can’t seem to help yourself and continue to spew nothing but crap that nobody here cares about.

    This is an audio forum. Might I suggest you take your geenie ways over to the Dodge Challenger Hellcat forum and start conversing with them. They need a guy like you to help them see the light about what all their melted tire smoke and gasoline are doing to the planet.
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    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
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    You're talking only about the CO2, What about the rest of chemicals?

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    http://www.nutramed.com/environment/carschemicals.htm




    It sounds as if you do not go along with most "environmentalists" that state that "carbon emissions will cause the planet to heat up." And that pollutants in general are a problem. Is this correct? If so, that is a good thing, IMO. Also, carbon dioxide is the largest amount of pollutant emitted from gasoline burning cars, and is therefore the "greatest concern".

    But, if you are using the logic and argument that pollutants (in general) are a problem, we can comment on a very large number of household items that are a concern for pollutants (including your own batteries in EV's). Why target gasoline burning cars?
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    you would have turned over a new Leaf.

    HAHAHAHAHA Pun intended? :p
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    Yeah, 455 sounds like an Oldsmobile. My brother had a Cadillac with a 472 and another with a 500.

    Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile all had 455’s, and each was unique to their respective divisions
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    edited November 2017
    OK you win...go to the truckers forum
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    I wonder if now would be a good time to invest in popcorn.
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    Lasareath wrote: »
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    Because there's a FIX for them and There's a lot of them.

    Also, This Thread is about the Tesla Model 3. Not the 76 Cadillac with a 455 4 barrel, Or is it the 500?,

    So, by that logic, and your crusade to save us from pollution, you should be on a crusade to lessen the environmental impact caused by EV's and not gasoline burning engines, correct?
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    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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    Lasareath wrote: »
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    Well, that's happening every day. The processes for making Batteries and EV's is getting cleaner and cleaner every year.

    That isn't really my business, I'm an IT tech and my Hobby is EV's, I am not an Engineer. So I really wouldn't have the know-how on improving current tech.

    There are many smart people in the industry doing this. They don't need me.

    I'm in Information Technologies. I'm spreading Data and Information.

    I am involved with a company that is building Electric Car Charging Stations. But I cannot divulge any info on that now.

    But I do have a couple of companies set up to teach EV Novices about Electric Cars and Charging Etiquette. Like this site: http://EV-Rules.com



    Well, if it's true that there are environmental improvements in the making of EV (batteries, etc.) every day, I think that's a great thing. You would have to ignorant and dismissive to not think that lessening pollution is a bad thing.

    That said, I think most gasoline car owners (myself included) find it hypocritical of EV owners to say that "it's those gasoline burning car owners that are destroying the environment", when 90% plus of EV's are powered by coal (for electricity).

    I always have said, (and still say), where is the damn hydrogen car?? Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. (I know there is some conversion that needs to take place to use the hydrogen). But, I remember the hydrogen car was promoted about 10 to 15 year ago pretty strongly. (After all, the emission from a hydrogen car is simply, and only water). So, WTF happened to it!? Where is it!? Why are we using EV's that still rely on coal to be powered (and batteries that cause other environmental pollutants) instead hydrogen!?
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    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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    txcoastal1 wrote: »
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    Was it mint green with posi

    My cousin Vinny says so...
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    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
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    Don't bother, Walking Dead and the New Star Trek tonight. Then most likely I won't check this post again for a few days.

    Might I suggest taking another long sabbatical instead. I forgot how nice it was while you were gone. Thanks for reminding me.

    As an aside... you were a much nicer guy when you weighed 400 pounds.
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    Hydrogen mass-transit has already been tried... no thanks.

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    Lasareath wrote: »

    That is a very funny statement, I'm sorry but us EV guys laugh everytime somebody brings up the Coal Debate.

    Coal is on a decline, The national average in 2014 was 39% and Now it's 30%

    In NJ it's 5%, Some say it's even lower than that.

    My Electricity is under Viridian, It's their Green plan and I calculated it all out and my Car emits 58 grams of CO2e per mile and an Average Gas car emits 381 grams

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/ev-emissions-tool#

    What is so funny about it? It doesn't matter if coal is on the decline or not. This does not change the fact that well over 90% of EV's are powered by coal to get charged currently. Do you not agree with this fact?

    How can you compare the two calculations? One is an indirect emmision calculation and one is direct. At least the direct calculation from the gasoline engine is accurate. The calculation for your "green plan" does not take into account all aspects of carbon emissions (and is theoretical, not actual, unlike the gasoline engine).

    Lasareath wrote: »
    Hydrogen cars add another step, You need to get the Hydrogen, The Hydrogen car is an EV. But it gets it's Electric Charge from the fuel stack. It's very inefficient.

    My Driveway has had Electricity since my house was built in 1961. I don't have a Hydrogen Hookup. I bet you don't either but I bet you have Electricity.

    There are 50 refueling stations right now for Hydrogen in the USA.

    Hydrogen can work for cruise ships, Trains, Semi Trucks. But for cars, it's too expensive to get to the Hydrogen to the masses.

    Toyota has been a large supporter of Hydrogen and They hate the EV. But recently Toyota has agreed with Elon Musk that Hydrogen is a waste of time:

    https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

    Well, the hydrogen car uses a different step than the current EV's, by using hydrogen to charge the battery. It does not "add a step". It bypasses coal to charge the battery. That is a fact. Where are all the EV owners railing to get hydrogen cars?

    You don't have a hydrogen hookup because, there are no hydrogen cars. If hydrogen cars came out instead of the current coal sucking EV's, the emissions would be greatly reduced (by getting rid of the need for the use of coal). Why are you EV owners not demanding this?

    It's to expensive to get hydrogen to the masses because there is no demand for hydrogen (again) because there are no hydrogen cars. You are using circular logic here.

    It seems to me there is another agenda here to "dismiss" hydrogen. And, it ain't because "it's a waste of time".
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    Lasareath wrote: »
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    What's Funny is that COAL is the Dirtiest Form of Electric Generation but it's nothing compared to the Generation of Gasoline from Oil.

    That's the Funny Part. A 100% COAL Generated EV emits Less Pollution than a Gas Burning Car.


    This Article states that 28% to 40% of EV owners have Solar:
    https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/25/28-40-ev-drivers-solar-panels-cleantechnica-ev-report/

    So right there, that means that 60% to 72% EV owners use Electricity that has 5% to 30% Coal in it.

    That small amount of COAL is nothing compared to the Refining Process of Oil to Gasoline. The Refining Process of Gas uses More Electricity than I use to propel my EV the same distance that the Gasoline would Propel a Gas Car.

    So we might as well cut out the Middle Man. Cut out the Production of Gasoline and gas Cars.

    Just use the Electricity directly in the EV.




    Hydrogen for cars is Pipe Dream. It will never happen. It 10 years it'll be totally gone.

    Sal, you are changing the argument with every post you make. You do not fully answer the questions/issues that are brought up. Why? ((Rhetorical question): I know the answer, but do you realize it?))
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    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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