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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,970
    It's a niche market, always will be too, just like wind power. Diesel isn't going anywhere either....the trucking business would be kaput, and we move a lot of stuff by trucks.

    I have noticed some gas stations have put in charging stations like Sal said. However, I have yet to see one car....one, using them. Others have ripped them out for lack of use. Funny thing is, the car manufacturers sell mostly what ? SUV'S and TRUCKS are out selling conventional cars. Go look in a grocery store parking lot on the weekends, Costco....it's an SUV and mini van show.

    The demand for electric isn't there, take away the subsidies and it would probably die on it's own. That's the only way electric/solar/wind keep going, is by us subsidizing it. Sure, city dwellers could benefit from it but that's about the extent of it. Can you imagine all those folks evacuating Texas and Florida recently and their juice is running low on those packed expressways. Then what ? Not like you can pull over and hop down the embankment with a gas can in hand for a station under the bridge.

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,796
    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Lasareath wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Great, another huge environmental mess to deal with and much worse than anything we have now.

    Which mess are you talking about Jesse?

    Start with all the nasty crap it takes to make the batteries and take your pick from there.

    I like burning fossil fuels, they are the original natural energy. Burn baby burn!

    Sorry, Jesse but somebody is lying to you and you're believing it. I don't blame you, their story seems convincing.

    If you want the truth you should skim this article.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/6/1524012/-Someone-is-lying-about-electric-cars-on-the-internet

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    There's more cobalt than lithium in batteries and where does cobalt come from? The answer, mines. Is cobalt toxic? Higher levels are.
    Post edited by F1nut on
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 5,023
    I seeth the fusty EV propaganda traineth hast pulled unto thee Polk Station f'r anoth'r wend 'round.
    what art thee s'rving on this trippeth? Chicken 'r beef?
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,970
    F1nut wrote: »
    Lasareath wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Lasareath wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Great, another huge environmental mess to deal with and much worse than anything we have now.

    Which mess are you talking about Jesse?

    Start with all the nasty crap it takes to make the batteries and take your pick from there.

    I like burning fossil fuels, they are the original natural energy. Burn baby burn!

    Sorry, Jesse but somebody is lying to you and you're believing it. I don't blame you, their story seems convincing.

    If you want the truth you should skim this article.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/6/1524012/-Someone-is-lying-about-electric-cars-on-the-internet

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    There's more cobalt than lithium in batteries and where does cobalt come from? The answer, mines. Is cobalt toxic? Higher levels are.

    Mines ? You mean with all that diesel fired equipment to get the cobalt ? Can you imagine construction equipment working on batteries ? LOL

    The irony is just off the charts.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,830
    tonyb wrote: »

    Mines ? You mean with all that diesel fired equipment to get the cobalt ?

    It's even worse than that.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/
  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,105
    edited November 2017
    The world will be a better place once my generation dies off. Hang in there world, won't be long.
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    Political memes posted as fact and accepted as fact, are sign language of the ignorant, for the ignorant

    tonyb said " but even socialists can do a good thing here and there

    Social media makes dumb people dumber and smart people dumb then dumber.
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,830
    ^^^^ Quote fail. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 5,023
    Congo Cobalt?!
    I thinkbi saw that movie. Those apes are really mean
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  • All I can say is WOW!
  • Lasareath, this is one of the most well thought and articulate posts I have ever seen. Did you copy the entire post?
    Seriously though, great reading material!
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  • I know a guy that has a 76 Cadillac with a 455 4 barrel in it if that means anything. Last I checked with him he was getting about 3 gallons to the mile.
  • charley95 wrote: »
    I know a guy that has a 76 Cadillac with a 455 4 barrel in it if that means anything. Last I checked with him he was getting about 3 gallons to the mile.

    It's a good thing I was at the right place at the right time. I saw him at the Jiffy Lube the other day. There was a group of millennials lynching him with their cell phones chanting eco-terrorist. The poor guy just can't get a break! :}
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,970
    Always comes back to global warming doesn't it. LOL
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  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 811
    I have to chuckle every time I hear Elon Musk referred to as a "genius" and a "visionary"... half of his billions came straight out of OUR collective pocket as taxpayers - so yea, I guess he is pretty smart. At least smart enough to get the government to fund his ideas and whims.

    Again, I don't begrudge anyone choosing to purchase an EV - I just don't think the taxpayers should be forced to cough up an 10K + "subsidy" for you to do so... the fact is, without the kickback (subsidy), EV sales would be almost non-existent.
    Too much stuff to keep track of.

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,344
    Resale on the EV's sux too
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,830
    And they look like poupe.
  • tonyb wrote: »
    Always comes back to global warming doesn't it. LOL

    We have an early 30's guy in the family and he is flat out bat **** crazy over global warming. I think it's the OCD mindset that is mind boggling to me. He reminds me of a child that constantly nags his parents all day until he gets what he wants. He just doesn't understand why we won't jump on the band wagon with him. Oh wait a minute, he has more wisdom than we do in our 50's! Never mind, disregard what I said! :}
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,796
    Sal, I'm not talking about global warming, which is utter BS anyway. I'm talking about real environmental issues.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,344
    charley95 wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Always comes back to global warming doesn't it. LOL

    We have an early 30's guy in the family and he is flat out bat **** crazy over global warming. I think it's the OCD mindset that is mind boggling to me. He reminds me of a child that constantly nags his parents all day until he gets what he wants. He just doesn't understand why we won't jump on the band wagon with him. Oh wait a minute, he has more wisdom than we do in our 50's! Never mind, disregard what I said! :}

    Does he have an EV, ride a bicycle to work or walk...then STFU
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  • headrottheadrott Posts: 5,428
    edited November 2017
    Regarding global warming (Climate change):

    How can such long and short term predictions be made about global warming, when we have literally been keeping written climate records for merely approximately, 130 years or so. That is (much) less than 1% of the time it takes for climate fluctuations to occur, and is not a relevant statistical analysis to say what the climate is doing in the long or short term. Anyone saying differently is saying it for reasons other than being scientific. (Yes, I know that Geologists say that the Earth's strata show climate conditions in the past). How accurate is "our" interpretation of that analysis, is my question? There is no scientific fact that man made climate change or global warming is occurring? Why? Because it's not a scientific fact because there is not enough evidence to support it being a fact. Period.

    Edit: I am sure this will step on a number of people's toes around here. Just try viewing the evidence, rather than what you are being told by "scientists", media, politicians, etc. Think about it (yourself, or uninfluenced) a minute, please.
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,344
    edited November 2017
    ITS A REBATE, some more some less
    It's still a subsidize
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 21,594
    If another taxpayer's not chippin' in that tax rebated dollar, than it's another dollar added to the national debt...
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,344
    Type: State Incentives
    Jurisdiction: NJ
    ZEVs sold, rented, or leased in New Jersey are exempt from state sales and use tax. This exemption is not applicable to partial ZEVs, including hybrid electric vehicles. ZEVs are defined as vehicles that meet California Air Resources Board zero emissions standards for that model year. For a list of qualifying ZEVs certified as such, see the New Jersey Department of the Treasury ZEV Sales Tax Exemption website. (Reference New Jersey Statutes 54:32B-8.55)

    Even exempt from sales tax
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