iPhone 7 release - anyone "upgrading?"

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,077
    LOL. Looks to me like you have remote control h e l l. Time to get a smart phone, and tame that herd.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,996
    edited September 2016
    tonyb wrote: »
    We all have our addictions pal. LOL I don't see the downside to being addicted to audio, music is good for the soul and your health. Maybe not so much the wallet, or if you never left the room and became a recluse.

    Well, on the bright side, I haven't had a lot of trouble with obsolescence.
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    EDIT: What is this "remote control" of which you speak? Is it anything like Zenith "Space Command"?

    When I wuz a kid, we used to jingle a set of keys in front of the "Space Command" TVs to activate the remote control receiver (which used ultrasonic audio), albeit kind of randomly.
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,072
    I'm not going to quote and respond to each post individually, but am seeing a few common points being brought up that could use some clarification:

    First, Apple are giving us the adapter we need in the box to plug headphones into the iPhone. it's a standard headphone to lightning adapter, and it comes in the box, for free. They're not "nickel and diming" anything...it's free. It IS an adapter but is small and unobtrusive and I plan to just leave it plugged into my headphones, extending the headphone cable by a whopping extra 2 inches...oh my god whatever shall I do?!?!?!

    Second, they used the room they cleared up there to rearrange the internals and get us better performance AND better battery life, I'll take both of those as a tradeoff. Not everybody will agree though, which is why they're are keeping the 6 in the lineup. Nobody HAS to go out and buy the iPhone 7, if you like the trade-off as I do then great, if not then you have other options in their line up or obviously the world of Android phones.

    Third, this notion of iCloud being a scam is completely absurd. I pay $.99 a month for 50GB of storage which covers all my needs and then some. $.99, NINETY NINE CENTS as in less than ONE DOLLAR per month. Hopefully people don't take this the wrong way, but if $.99 a month had even the smallest amount of impact on any decision I made whatsoever then I wouldn't own a smartphone and it would absolutely be the last thing on my mind.

    Finally, I do agree that iCloud is NOT a substitute for local storage and they've doubled those in the phones this year, ranging from 32GB to 256GB. 256GB and the new AudioQuest Dragonfly Red means I can ditch my AK player.

    All that being said...

    I actually watched the press conference and it was horrible to watch...complete trainwreck. When Phil stood up on stage and said it took courage to remove the headphone jack I almost threw up in my mouth. He's right, by the way, in that it does take some stones to rip out current technologies like they've done here and in the past and they've usually been on the right side of those decisions...but you never ACTUALLY SAY that. WTF? The Nintendo demo was a complete disaster as well. Tim Cook is a terrible presenter and orator, the board of directors needs to sit him down and say "No Mas". I'm actually fine with their concept of announcing their products as a solo act instead of somewhere like CES, they've earned that right, but they have GOT to get better presenters on stage.

    One of the probems I have with the adaptor for the 3.5mm jack is that you can't charge while you use wired headphones. Not cool when you're on a plane and it's a 7h flight and you're running low on juice.

    So yeah, it's a big deal.

    Maybe if they put 2 of those lightning jacks that's acceptable.

    No consumer foresight yet they charge nearly a grand for the 7?!
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,441
    Joey_V wrote: »

    No consumer foresight yet they charge nearly a grand for the 7?!

    Nearly a grand huh ? So I guess that adapter, while included, isn't exactly free. Just build it into the price of the phone and call it free.

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,077
    Capitalism. My 7 with 128GB was $750. Heck, I have spent $3000 three times for a power cable. :)

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,585
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Capitalism. My 7 with 128GB was $750. Heck, I have spent $3000 three times for a power cable. :)

    Reminds me a couple weeks ago I was shopping online for a new pair of Keen hiking sandals and was peeved that they had gone up $20 in the last 2 years and I refused to buy them. Couple days later out of the blue Zappo's sent me a $20 coupon. I got back online and the sandals were on sale for another $20 off, so instead of $100 I spent $64 w/shipping.

    My wife said "wtf Ron, you'll go out and spend $20k on audio gear and your cheap a$$ won't spend $100 on a pair of shoes" :o ....I looked at her and said "I gotta cut corners somewhere" :p
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  • halohalo Posts: 5,203
    I couldn't stand using the glitchy and slow S4 anymore so I went to the Apple store and bought a 6S Plus 64GB for $699. However, since the 7 has launched, the 6S Plus doesn't qualify for the apple upgrade program (even though you can't actually purchase a 7 yet - you can only preorder one). Right now, the price of the 128GB 6S Plus is $749. Next Friday it's going to drop to $699. Since I have 13 days to return the 64GB 6S Plus, the salesperson suggested that I come back next week and return my new phone for one with 2x the capacity for $0 additional. Sounds like a plan to me.

    I had the 6 previously and I really liked it. The 6S plus is a lot heavier but I like the bigger screen and "supposedly" better battery life. I will be picking up a battery case to carry with me in the event that the battery is dying and I can't plug in somewhere. I can use the headphone jack while the battery case charges the phone and the battery case has stereo speakers on the front bottom portion.

    They'll probably sell battery cases for the 7 eventually too.

    I used to carry a spare battery with me when I had the Samsung galaxy Note II, S5, & S4 just in case I needed a boost. The battery cases they sell for the apple phones are priced similarly to an additional android battery. I should say they were before Samsung went with internal batteries you couldn't swap out easily just like iPhone batteries.

    So, I guess you could still say that I've "upgraded" since I went from the 6 to the 6S Plus. lol.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,115
    Battery life is longer. I can sometimes go several days without a charge.
  • ShizelbsShizelbs Posts: 7,424
    Just got the SE a few months ago. Nothing too necessary this time to force an upgrade.
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    Joey_V wrote: »

    One of the probems I have with the adaptor for the 3.5mm jack is that you can't charge while you use wired headphones. Not cool when you're on a plane and it's a 7h flight and you're running low on juice.

    So yeah, it's a big deal.

    Maybe if they put 2 of those lightning jacks that's acceptable.

    No consumer foresight yet they charge nearly a grand for the 7?!
    To clarify, 'nearly a grand' is actually $649 for the model most people will get, which is actually not anywhere near a grand.

    Saying there's no consumer foresight is simply incorrect, you're just not the consumer they're building it for. I'd rather give up the headphone port and get the extra two hours of battery life, better performance and better antenna layout...but I'm not self centered enough to expect that everyone has my same set of priorities or requirements in a phone and said as much in my post above.

    The phone isn't for you and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'll never understand the hyperbole and inaccuracies being spread in posts like that.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,077
    Other than once being on hold for two hours with Social Security, I have never used the annoying, hearing damaging head phones that came with the iPhone 5. And that was torture, my ears were killing me after that. Whenever I see people listening to music on their phones I have to wonder about their hearing, and their sanity. :)

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  • halohalo Posts: 5,203
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Other than once being on hold for two hours with Social Security, I have never used the annoying, hearing damaging head phones that came with the iPhone 5. And that was torture, my ears were killing me after that. Whenever I see people listening to music on their phones I have to wonder about their hearing, and their sanity. :)

    I'm not a fan of the included ear buds either. I use a set of Velodyne Vpulse IEMs.
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    I have about 4 pairs of unused Apple ear buds, they suck, and don't fit my ears. I use a pair of Panasonic noise cancelling buds, that seal out the noise and actually sound really good for their price point.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,115
    The newer versions work better than the originals. They dropped the circle and made it more of a canal plug now. I hated the originals, but I can actually stand to listen to the new ones without severe ear fatigue.
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    Agreed, the EarPods are actually decent ear buds, by far the best I've ever been given for free with any phone.
  • xsmixsmi Posts: 1,421
    I have a BAD addiction to Apple products. I have a 128GB 6S Plus. I have NOT upgraded yet because I'm trying to tell myself that I don't need the better camera and I don't need the better screen. The 3.5 jack is really whats making me WANT to upgrade. Has anyone had the pleasure of listening to their music through the lightning jack? If you haven't, do yourself a favor and do it.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,072
    Joey_V wrote: »

    One of the probems I have with the adaptor for the 3.5mm jack is that you can't charge while you use wired headphones. Not cool when you're on a plane and it's a 7h flight and you're running low on juice.

    So yeah, it's a big deal.

    Maybe if they put 2 of those lightning jacks that's acceptable.

    No consumer foresight yet they charge nearly a grand for the 7?!
    To clarify, 'nearly a grand' is actually $649 for the model most people will get, which is actually not anywhere near a grand.

    Saying there's no consumer foresight is simply incorrect, you're just not the consumer they're building it for. I'd rather give up the headphone port and get the extra two hours of battery life, better performance and better antenna layout...but I'm not self centered enough to expect that everyone has my same set of priorities or requirements in a phone and said as much in my post above.

    The phone isn't for you and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'll never understand the hyperbole and inaccuracies being spread in posts like that.

    Apparently it's not just me otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion about the headphone socket in the first place.

    And yes I stand by my statement, but let me tweak it.

    Apple knows their customer base. They know if they added a second lightning port then it would cannibalize their push for wireless headphones since people will just treat it as a headphone jack + a an extra 3" dongle.

    So yes, Apple had consumer foresight - you're right. Consumer foresight to limit our options and push for the wireless set to be more appetizing.

    So the phone is perfect for you, that's great. But it ain't for me and a bunch of others it seems.

    In the end, who cares. It's just another phone. There'll be a new one in 6 months.

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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,072
    DSkip wrote: »
    The newer versions work better than the originals. They dropped the circle and made it more of a canal plug now. I hated the originals, but I can actually stand to listen to the new ones without severe ear fatigue.
    I don't like the new ones because it falls off my ear.
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  • halohalo Posts: 5,203
    Well, to generate sales of the 7 you can basically get one for free by trading in your iPhone 6 or 6S. You'll get a $650 credit which is the cost of the iPhone 7 32GB. Yes, you can pay extra for the 7 Plus or the 128GB or 256GB memory options. I guess they're desperate to move the 7. If you are contemplating a switch of your carrier, now may be a good time to do so.
  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 5,127
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    Dear god people. If you are talking about battery life, you need to step away from your iphones....no seriously!
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,072
    mrbiron wrote: »
    iphone-7-battery-life.jpg?quality=98&strip=all&strip=all

    Dear god people. If you are talking about battery life, you need to step away from your iphones....no seriously!

    Mo battery power, mo problems bro
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  • They charge $100 to upgrade from 32gb to 128gb? that's gouging. A 128GB retails for like $35.00... final cost to apple is probably $10-15...But people go crazy for their IPhones and perpetuate the gouging. Surprised nobody has opened up a shop/franchise to increase your iphone memory... Is there some proprietary firmware as well as the physical barriers to prevent you from doing that?
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  • adabroadabro Posts: 208
    Sticking with my 6 - I like the earphone jack as it is.
  • WillowWillow Posts: 9,639
    I just bought a 120gb micro sd card for my phone, total shipped 55$ and that's CAD. So I'll have the 32 internal and 120 in the SD.
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  • The outrage over the loss of the headphone jack on this site is fascinating, really. This site tends to value the fidelity of sound over small conveniences...and that is a large part of what is being brought to the fore here. This has been said in passing before, but to reiterate...

    This article does a good job explaining the trade off:
    http://www.vox.com/2016/9/7/12822516/apple-iphone-7-headphone

    In short:
    -The 3.5mm jack means that historically all sound processing circuitry had to be in the phone, which meant the hardware used was mediocre because the phone needed to be compact to sell.
    -The lightning jack allows that circuitry to be moved to headphones, opening the possibility of higher fidelity devices being used in the future because the phone is not the limited factor.
    -Noise cancelling capability is now capable in much smaller headphones, because the lightning port can transfer enough power to remove the batteries these types of headphones needed in the past.
    -A few other points are also in the article.

    So it isn't something for nothing. Seems some here care more about convenience than sound quality after all! Time to bring back the Bose wave radios!
  • xsmixsmi Posts: 1,421
    Thats what I was trying to point out earlier.
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  • Our focus on the headphone jack as a headphone jack is missing the bigger picture.....





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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,072
    Paradoxex wrote: »
    The outrage over the loss of the headphone jack on this site is fascinating, really. This site tends to value the fidelity of sound over small conveniences...and that is a large part of what is being brought to the fore here. This has been said in passing before, but to reiterate...

    This article does a good job explaining the trade off:
    http://www.vox.com/2016/9/7/12822516/apple-iphone-7-headphone

    In short:
    -The 3.5mm jack means that historically all sound processing circuitry had to be in the phone, which meant the hardware used was mediocre because the phone needed to be compact to sell.
    -The lightning jack allows that circuitry to be moved to headphones, opening the possibility of higher fidelity devices being used in the future because the phone is not the limited factor.
    -Noise cancelling capability is now capable in much smaller headphones, because the lightning port can transfer enough power to remove the batteries these types of headphones needed in the past.
    -A few other points are also in the article.

    So it isn't something for nothing. Seems some here care more about convenience than sound quality after all! Time to bring back the Bose wave radios!
    I still say bring 2 lightnings
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