It will be a good day tomorrow... my speakerwire cherry will be popped

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Joey_V
Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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So my local dealer is coming in tomorrow to bring in several speaker wires, but mainly I'm interested in the Audioquest Oak. I will finally get to listen to what happens when the hanger wire is replaced by something with some semblance of a speaker wire.

Also, another cool thing I get to do is he is bringing over a Rotel RB1590, their mega-amp. We will be doing comparisons between the RB1592 and the Classe M600.

Should be fun fun fun

Will post some impressions a little later.

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  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
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    Yay. Looking forward to your thoughts.
    Dunno much about AQ other than the Rocket 88, which I really like.
    Have fun!
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  • [Deleted User]
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    I started out with Audioquest Slate biwire cables way back when which I paired with my old Infinity Reference 60's. They were good value cables, but much more humble @$60.00AUD/meter. I've got mixed feelings about active cables, but i'll be interested to hear your impressions when you get those snakes in your system.
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  • michaeljhsda2
    michaeljhsda2 Posts: 2,177
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    Nice! Looking forward to your review.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,911
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    Not a big fan of active cables myself but some seem to really dig them. Why not ask Skip for a pair of WW's to compare with ?

    Is that the only brand your dealer carries ? Regardless, I have no doubt the AQ Oak will spank your current zip cord.
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  • vcwatkins
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    Hopefully with Joey's permission, may I ask what you guys do not like about the DBS method sound? Apologies if considered too far OT.
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  • tonyb
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    Well, start with AQ's reasoning for using it to begin with.

    •Insulation, and any material within a conductor’s magnetic field, is a dielectric whose properties will affect the integrity of the signal. When the dielectric is unbiased, it causes different amounts of time delay (phase shift) for different frequencies and energy levels—a major problem for very time-sensitive multi-octave audio.
    •AudioQuest’s DBS creates a strong, stable electrostatic field that saturates and polarizes (organizes) the molecules of the insulation. This dramatically minimizes nonlinear time delays and reduces dielectric-induced smearing of the signal, letting sound emerge from a “black” background.

    Theoretically, they may be right. If so though, how can other cables allow for a very black background without a DBS system ? I hear no smearing of sound with my cables and I have a very good black background also.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, just that I'm not a fan of introducing another electrical component into the signal. I feel a good cable design is a good design and should stand on it's own. Otherwise, to me anyway, are DBS systems simply trying to cover up a poor design or quality metallurgy used ? Maybe, maybe not, don't really know for sure.

    Some things in audio are measurable, when scoped you can easily SEE differences, but whether that falls into our audible ranges of human hearing is another subject. Like everything, try it and see if it floats your boat.

    Audio metallurgy cables, of which I have a few, have magnets in them to basically arrive at the same conclusions AQ does, just a different way of handling it. Do they sound better than regular cable ? Yeah, but once you get into the better lines from various brands, whatever they are doing sounds just as good if not better....without magnets or DBS systems. So my thought process is, are DBS systems there to cover flaws elsewhere in design or quality materials used ?

    In the end....who cares, if you like it....use it and be happy. :)
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  • vcwatkins
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    Thanks @tonyb . Seems reasonable. In practice, I did like the bi-wire Rocket 88 sound - dynamics especially - on the Ushers, Revels, 703's. Though, in the end, I preferred MIT S3's and placed the 88's in the HT front three (the purpose for which they were purchased). I tend to spend little time wondering about what the AQ DBS or MIT network boxes are doing and more time listening. :)
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    Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
    Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
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  • halo
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    tonyb wrote: »
    So my thought process is, are DBS systems there to cover flaws elsewhere in design or quality materials used ?
    Are the MIT cables with their "black boxes" a DBS design/system?

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  • tonyb
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    halo wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    So my thought process is, are DBS systems there to cover flaws elsewhere in design or quality materials used ?
    Are the MIT cables with their "black boxes" a DBS design/system?

    NO, they are not.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    Sonos zp90
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    B&k 1420
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    Well let's see what's what. We are not cable manufacturers so let's leave the manufacturing to them and the listening to us.
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  • Joey_V
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    And I look forward to the rotel!

    A great dealer. He is making his rounds to my place.
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  • honestaquarian
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    Have fun man!

    How is your daughter doing btw?
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
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    Can't wait to hear your impressions on the AQ's. I'm thinking of upgrading my speaker cables and have been looking at AQ's as well as WW cables.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    honestaquarian wrote: »
    Have fun man!

    How is your daughter doing btw?

    Emma is doing well so far, had her 2 year check up and she hit 15% for weight!! She was at 6% last time and then we had a scare prior to Disneyworld and she was at like 0% weight graph.

    That freaked me out.

    So far, so good, chugging along.

    Smart as all heck, and she loves loves loves music.

    I mean she is an audiophile in the making, seriously. She loves Sonus Faber Olympica 3.
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  • Joey_V
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    mmmm Rotel 1590... can't wait to smell that beast.

    tasty...
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  • teekay0007
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    So my local dealer is coming in tomorrow to bring in several speaker wires, but mainly I'm interested in the Audioquest Oak. I will finally get...

    Also, another cool thing I get to do is he is bringing over a Rotel RB1590, their mega-amp. We will be doing comparisons between the RB1592 and the Classe M600.

    Should be fun fun fun


    Now, that sounds like a new definition of Mother's Day right there! :p How are you getting away with that?

    Does look like one huge mother of an amp though.



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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    teekay0007 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    So my local dealer is coming in tomorrow to bring in several speaker wires, but mainly I'm interested in the Audioquest Oak. I will finally get...

    Also, another cool thing I get to do is he is bringing over a Rotel RB1590, their mega-amp. We will be doing comparisons between the RB1592 and the Classe M600.

    Should be fun fun fun


    Now, that sounds like a new definition of Mother's Day right there! :p How are you getting away with that?

    Does look like one huge mother of an amp though.



    You don't even wanna know...
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  • EndersShadow
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    teekay0007 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    So my local dealer is coming in tomorrow to bring in several speaker wires, but mainly I'm interested in the Audioquest Oak. I will finally get...

    Also, another cool thing I get to do is he is bringing over a Rotel RB1590, their mega-amp. We will be doing comparisons between the RB1592 and the Classe M600.

    Should be fun fun fun


    Now, that sounds like a new definition of Mother's Day right there! :p How are you getting away with that?

    Does look like one huge mother of an amp though.



    You don't even wanna know...

    Probably a trip to the most expensive jeweler, shoe store and maybe even a day at the spa lol...
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    The demo is today not tomorrow... That's just a glutton for punishment to have Audio on Mother's Day.... Hahahaha

    I guess it's stil Mother's Day weekend... I have the most considerate wife!
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  • halo
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    The demo is today not tomorrow... That's just a glutton for punishment to have Audio on Mother's Day.... Hahahaha

    I guess it's stil Mother's Day weekend... I have the most considerate wife!

    Wasn't your last audio excursion on her birthday? Flirting with disaster...lol :wink:
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  • Joey_V
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    halo wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    The demo is today not tomorrow... That's just a glutton for punishment to have Audio on Mother's Day.... Hahahaha

    I guess it's stil Mother's Day weekend... I have the most considerate wife!

    Wasn't your last audio excursion on her birthday? Flirting with disaster...lol :wink:

    Yeah...
    She just left for work.

    "Goodbye honey".

    She kisses Emma then me.

    She walks out.

    "Don't buy anything"

    "Ok," I say.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,158
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    Lmao... Just let Emma shop with Daddy's credit card. She will figure it out soon enough anyway.
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  • mikeyb128
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    halo wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    The demo is today not tomorrow... That's just a glutton for punishment to have Audio on Mother's Day.... Hahahaha

    I guess it's stil Mother's Day weekend... I have the most considerate wife!

    Wasn't your last audio excursion on her birthday? Flirting with disaster...lol :wink:

    Yeah...
    She just left for work.

    "Goodbye honey".

    She kisses Emma then me.

    She walks out.

    "Don't buy anything"

    "Ok," I say.

    Sounds just like my girl friend. She is shockingly easy going with my audio addiction.
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    halo wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    The demo is today not tomorrow... That's just a glutton for punishment to have Audio on Mother's Day.... Hahahaha

    I guess it's stil Mother's Day weekend... I have the most considerate wife!

    Wasn't your last audio excursion on her birthday? Flirting with disaster...lol :wink:

    Yeah...
    She just left for work.

    "Goodbye honey".

    She kisses Emma then me.

    She walks out.

    "Don't buy anything"

    "Ok," I say.

    Sounds just like my girl friend. She is shockingly easy going with my audio addiction.

    Yeah I got off real easy. What a wonderful wife I have... So glad she tolerates me and my insanity. 3 speakers have come and gone in the past year. She still seems relatively not too angry at me.

    Though she has told me a few times to tone it down. Or "now you're being ridiculous."
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    You have a great wife and daughter. Lucky man!!
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  • Joey_V
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    Dealer should be here any minute

    Sweet
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  • honestaquarian
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    honestaquarian wrote: »
    Have fun man!

    How is your daughter doing btw?

    Emma is doing well so far, had her 2 year check up and she hit 15% for weight!! She was at 6% last time and then we had a scare prior to Disneyworld and she was at like 0% weight graph.

    That freaked me out.

    So far, so good, chugging along.

    Smart as all heck, and she loves loves loves music.

    I mean she is an audiophile in the making, seriously. She loves Sonus Faber Olympica 3.

    Joey
    It's good to read she is doing well.
    You lost me with those weight percentages though. You left out the part about percentage of what.

    Has the dealer talked you into breaking your "promise" to your wife yet????

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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    honestaquarian wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    honestaquarian wrote: »
    Have fun man!

    How is your daughter doing btw?

    Emma is doing well so far, had her 2 year check up and she hit 15% for weight!! She was at 6% last time and then we had a scare prior to Disneyworld and she was at like 0% weight graph.

    That freaked me out.

    So far, so good, chugging along.

    Smart as all heck, and she loves loves loves music.

    I mean she is an audiophile in the making, seriously. She loves Sonus Faber Olympica 3.

    Joey
    It's good to read she is doing well.
    You lost me with those weight percentages though. You left out the part about percentage of what.

    Has the dealer talked you into breaking your "promise" to your wife yet????

    Audiophilia Nervosa
    A disease of the wallet that mostly afflicts (*but is not exclusive to*) the male species.

    No way am I breaking my word to my wife... that would be game over, thanks for playing.
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  • littlewoodboats
    littlewoodboats Posts: 823
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    Joey_V wrote: »

    No way am I breaking my word to my wife... that would be game over, thanks for playing.

    Let Emma buy them for mommy for mothers day. Speaker wires for mothers day sounds like a plan just make sure they are not long enough for your wife to hang you with them. What wedding anniversary is interconnects?

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  • WagnerRC
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    I have a pair of acoustic zen satori cables free if you want to demo for free. These are no bi wire. happy to help in your quest.
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