It will be a good day tomorrow... my speakerwire cherry will be popped
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Joey_V,
How did you structure your demo to refute your previous held beliefs? What are some of the things that you did? How far done the analysis paralysis hole did you go?
Or it could be, it simply sounded better to him, it is his money to do with however he pleased and that maybe, just MAYBE, he listens to music because he enjoys it, not because he wants to analyze it to the point of idiocy.
But that couldn't be it, could it? We can't spend OUR money in which ever way we see fit without justifying our expenditures to the great and mighty troll brigade that says you have to quantify everything that you spend your own money on.
Well, it could also be that many are living vicariously through Joey and we simply want to help him attain the very best sound possible from his set up. I agree that it is his money and he is in charge of how to allocate his funds. I think that he has taken such care in assembling a wonderful set up that it deserves a little attention in the final piece of the puzzle. Of course, if AQ is good for him, then that'r where it will stay. Joey did try out the Aviors just be sure he was making the right decision in sticking with B & W. cables are easier and less expensive to swap out, just to be sure, than hauling a set of Aviors in and out of the house, no?Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
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Personally, I don't think Joey will be happy until he lands in divorce court. Then all he will have left is his gear.
After a while, it doesn't matter how big his salary is, at some point his wife is going to say enough is enough which is what she has reached now. I'd say she has been very tolerant and indulgent but she's grown tired of all of it.
It sounds like from his writing is if he isn't working, he is **** around with audio equipment.
He should have other priorities at this point in his life with having a wife and child.
Some of you just don't have an off switch to this stuff or when to grow up, and move on from playing or at least playing within reason.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
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Personally, I don't think Joey will be happy until he lands in divorce court. Then all he will have left is his gear.
After a while, it doesn't matter how big his salary is, at some point his wife is going to say enough is enough which is what she has reached now. I'd say she has been very tolerant and indulgent but she's grown tired of all of it.
It sounds like from his writing is if he isn't working, he is **** around with audio equipment.
He should have other priorities at this point in his life with having a wife and child.
Some of you just don't have an off switch to this stuff or when to grow up, and move on from playing or at least playing within reason.
Who do you think you are to be telling any of us how to live our lives!?!Post edited by [Deleted User] onPolitical Correctness'.........defined
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Wow Cfrizz, chill pill.Vinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...
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I'm not telling anyone how to live, I couldn't care less, but things are different when you are sharing your life with another person. And I have seen more than one guy come on here talking about his wife screaming at him because of all the gear.
It is simply the reality of the real world, and people who are married.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
Joey_V,
How did you structure your demo to refute your previous held beliefs? What are some of the things that you did? How far done the analysis paralysis hole did you go?
To put it nicely, would it matter to you? No matter how far down the hole one goes if they come out believing cables matter (which goes against what you believe) you will work to find some flaw in their testing methodology until it aligns with your own."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
If you couldn't care less, then don't stick your nose in other people's personal business.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I have seen more than one guy come on here talking about his wife screaming at him because of all the gear.
Some wives are looneytoons, thats for sure.Vinyl, the final frontier...
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Personally, I don't think Joey will be happy until he lands in divorce court. Then all he will have left is his gear.
After a while, it doesn't matter how big his salary is, at some point his wife is going to say enough is enough which is what she has reached now. I'd say she has been very tolerant and indulgent but she's grown tired of all of it.
It sounds like from his writing is if he isn't working, he is **** around with audio equipment.
He should have other priorities at this point in his life with having a wife and child.
Some of you just don't have an off switch to this stuff or when to grow up, and move on from playing or at least playing within reason.
This post reads, to me, as if you are speaking in absolutes Cathy. Not all women are in agreement with you and you don't know exactly what his wife is thinking or feeling until you speak with her directly. You are assuming that she has had enough. You are assuming he has his priorities out of order.
From where I sit, I see that Joey is appreciative of his wife and he loves his daughter. He goes to work and he spends some of the money he earns on some things that he enjoys.
Joey busted his a$$ to get where he is Cathy. I'm back in school myself after a long hiatus and some of my classmates are pre-med, taking the tests to get into med school and I see, first hand, how stressful it can be.
Well, Joey did that, went to medical school, interned, resident, Doctor.
He has earned the right to have some fun. He isn't ever discounting his wife or his child in any of the posts.
I think your initial post is out of line Cathy. Obviously, YMMV.Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
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Sorry Cathy, I enjoy your directness most times, but you have over stepped here. Basically judging and then telling people how to live their lives. I don't mean to pile on, you are entitled to conduct your life how you see fit, but calling others out when you know nothing about their personal lives beyond what's posted here is really not cool.
You need to chill a bit
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
I was kinda hoping the thread wouldn't go this way
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Personally, I don't think Joey will be happy until he lands in divorce court. Then all he will have left is his gear.
After a while, it doesn't matter how big his salary is, at some point his wife is going to say enough is enough which is what she has reached now. I'd say she has been very tolerant and indulgent but she's grown tired of all of it.
It sounds like from his writing is if he isn't working, he is **** around with audio equipment.
He should have other priorities at this point in his life with having a wife and child.
Some of you just don't have an off switch to this stuff or when to grow up, and move on from playing or at least playing within reason.
This post reads, to me, as if you are speaking in absolutes Cathy. Not all women are in agreement with you and you don't know exactly what his wife is thinking or feeling until you speak with her directly. You are assuming that she has had enough. You are assuming he has his priorities out of order.
From where I sit, I see that Joey is appreciative of his wife and he loves his daughter. He goes to work and he spends some of the money he earns on some things that he enjoys.
Joey busted his a$$ to get where he is Cathy. I'm back in school myself after a long hiatus and some of my classmates are pre-med, taking the tests to get into med school and I see, first hand, how stressful it can be.
Well, Joey did that, went to medical school, interned, resident, Doctor.
He has earned the right to have some fun. He isn't ever discounting his wife or his child in any of the posts.
I think your initial post is out of line Cathy. Obviously, YMMV.
No there are no absolutes Halo, but there are limits. I don't begrudge Joey or anyone else from having fun, and spending their money.
Joey himself wrote that his wife is about to wring his neck, that sounds like she has had enough.
From what he has written about his family, it sounds like he lucked out and has a terrific, very tolerant wife, and he certainly has a very cute daughter. If he is joking, it's hard to read it in a post.
But Halo, I remember another conversation like this stating this same thing a few years ago with the same reaction from one guy who blasted me. Then I had an private msg the next day where he apologized for his outburst. He told me that I had hit a little too close to home for him and it made him uncomfortable to realize how carried away he had gotten with buying gear.
Joey as far as I'm concerned is a very lucky man, and I would hate to see his life get screwed up over some gear.
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Personally, I don't think Joey will be happy until he lands in divorce court. Then all he will have left is his gear.
After a while, it doesn't matter how big his salary is, at some point his wife is going to say enough is enough which is what she has reached now. I'd say she has been very tolerant and indulgent but she's grown tired of all of it.
It sounds like from his writing is if he isn't working, he is **** around with audio equipment.
He should have other priorities at this point in his life with having a wife and child.
Some of you just don't have an off switch to this stuff or when to grow up, and move on from playing or at least playing within reason.
This post reads, to me, as if you are speaking in absolutes Cathy. Not all women are in agreement with you and you don't know exactly what his wife is thinking or feeling until you speak with her directly. You are assuming that she has had enough. You are assuming he has his priorities out of order.
From where I sit, I see that Joey is appreciative of his wife and he loves his daughter. He goes to work and he spends some of the money he earns on some things that he enjoys.
Joey busted his a$$ to get where he is Cathy. I'm back in school myself after a long hiatus and some of my classmates are pre-med, taking the tests to get into med school and I see, first hand, how stressful it can be.
Well, Joey did that, went to medical school, interned, resident, Doctor.
He has earned the right to have some fun. He isn't ever discounting his wife or his child in any of the posts.
I think your initial post is out of line Cathy. Obviously, YMMV.
But Halo, I remember another conversation like this stating this same thing a few years ago with the same reaction from one guy who blasted me. Then I had an private msg the next day where he apologized for his outburst. He told me that I had hit a little too close to home for him and it made him uncomfortable to realize how carried away he had gotten with buying gear.
Well maybe you should have expressed your concerns privately via PM
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txcoastal1 wrote: »Well maybe you should have expressed your concerns privately via PM
There wasn't any pm to send to anyone, we were all just voicing our opinions. This guy wasn't even a part of the group discussing the issue, he just came in out of nowhere ranting because what I said had hit too close to home.
The reality is in marriages/divorces, money is a huge factor in both and on both sides, and that's what audio gear gets equated to/and too many shoes.
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Putting audio equipment on a wire rack, now thats reason for divorce!
Whoo, well it's a good thing I'm single and can put my gear on anything I want!
Should I get married and he doesn't like my wire racks, he is free to buy something else to change them out for with HIS money.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
txcoastal1 wrote: »Well maybe you should have expressed your concerns privately via PM
There wasn't any pm to send to anyone, we were all just voicing our opinions. This guy wasn't even a part of the group discussing the issue, he just came in out of nowhere ranting because what I said had hit too close to home.
The reality is in marriages/divorces, money is a huge factor in both and on both sides, and that's what audio gear gets equated to/and too many shoes.
TO JOEY.......JHC!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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I just can't see getting upset at a significant other for spending the money they earn how they want. Bring shoes home by the truck load if that's what you want.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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I agree Nightfall, but it happens, and I see it all the time, on here and elsewhere. That is simply the reality of life.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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Should I get married and he doesn't like my wire racks, he is free to buy something else to change them out for with HIS money.
What if he wanted buy audioquest cables for you also?Vinyl, the final frontier...
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I just can't see getting upset at a significant other for spending the money they earn how they want. Bring shoes home by the truck load if that's what you want.
I've been reading the forums pretty avidly for a few weeks now. Just prior to that I bought some LSiM fronts for a basement remodel that is beginning shortly. Even though the cost of the speakers was in no way proportional to the money I earn, it was still subject to negotiations with my wife. We don't really view our incomes (she works, too) as separate piles with which we can do what we want. Not a recipe for family success - not for us. We have too many joint expenses not easily divided - mortgage, a one-year old, retirement/college/other savings, etc. Plus this way we can achieve economies of scale by doing big things like renovating our basement, which outsizes any one of our incomes.
I sometimes am envious when I read of all the incredible equipment people around here have - it's intimidating. That said, there may come a time when there are fewer priorities between me and this hobby. For now, a collaborative approach to making big purchases is important to my wife, and me. That said, all families are different...but it's not hard for me to see how some significant others could rightfully read negatively into their partners spending habits. -
Cathy is right to a degree and I know she means well. Once this audio thing or any hobby becomes an obsession, it's time to back off.
I am self imposing restraint now, I have noticed it has taken over a certain portion of my time. My wife has commented that when I get into the zone, I do get somewhat obsessive.
I am really going to push myself to avoid buying gear for a few months and would really like to not buy for the rest of the year just to prove to myself that I can.
Yesterday I was off from work. I will give you a short overview of my schedule just to show that I still make time between my hobby and family.
Woke up, turned the system on to continue burn in. Went to get Emma from her room since she was crying, brought her to our bed. Wife wanted to work out so I stayed home with Emma... We went back to sleep.
Then wife came home, I got up and went to the fire department to sign some papers.
Went back home by 1p, helped feed Emma. Got her ready, dropped her off at the preschool with the wife, then we went to the movies to watch Captain America. Then after we went to lowes so I could pick up tools to install those magnetic drawer locks for Emma.
Then we picked up Emma by 6p, went to the park.
Then home by 7p, fed Emma. I played with her on our driveway and she rode her little push car.
Left house to go to 3 places. First was my dealer to pick up the Oaks for demo. Went in for literally 8 minutes, as I promised my wife I wouldn't be long.
Second went to toys r us and picked up a slide for Emma.
Third, went to get dinner.
I worked out at 10-11p.
Got back and helped bathe Emma. She went to sleep and my wife and I ate dinner.
We watched tv and I went up to my room to listen once my wife went to the shower.
Then at 2am we went to sleep... Kinda our usual time.
So you see, I try not to let it take over my life. It's a nice distraction... But I agree, we can't let it be an obsession.... But I can see how I can become obsessive about it.
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Joey_V,
How did you structure your demo to refute your previous held beliefs? What are some of the things that you did? How far done the analysis paralysis hole did you go?
1. Straight switch and repeating the song.
2. Volume matching so as to not fall for the trap that louder is better.
3. 3. Playing with volume to see how the system scaled as it went up in loudness.
4. Playing 1 speaker with old and 1 speaker with new wire and listening and walking back and forth.
Joey_V,
Thank you for your responses to my questions. It wasn't some type of gotcha game. I was just genuinely curious as to how you conducted your demo. -
I would tell him that he really doesn't have to, that I'm happy with my BJC's. Now if he decides to do so anyway, well that is fine as well, it is his money he is spending. He will also have to pull out the racks to uninstall what is there and put in the new ones. After which, I will inspect everything to make sure it was done correctly.
Joey, it sounds like you had a terrific day off with your family, your little girl is adorable!
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I'd say things are pretty balanced Joey. Life isn't always perfect but it sounds like things are good for you and your family and that's pretty
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Bacon smells good.
Why, yes ..... yes it does !! In fact,
P.S. I think "somebody" needs to switch to decaf and quit watching so many episodes of "The View". Free up some extra time to making some sammiches !
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