New Emotiva XPR-2... 2 channel, 600 watts into 8 ohms, 1000 watts into 4 ohms

audio_alanaudio_alan Posts: 770
edited December 2012 in 2 Channel Audio
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr2

One thing I noticed right away is they dropped the gain from 32 db (like on the XPA-2) down to 29 db. That's in-line with other amps, and has been a major source of criticism for many.

I wish they'd switch from the LED meter levels to VU meters though. That would make them look a lot better... but looks are secondary, imo.

So, who's ordering one and reporting back to the group? :cheesygrin:

(I'm sure a lot of people already think it "sucks" and is "entry level"...)
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  • pearsall001pearsall001 Posts: 4,335
    edited December 2012
    I'm half tempted to give it a whirl. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You can speculate all you want but until you give it a test ride in your system all the opinions don't amount to a hill of beans. The only drawback is that it does require a dedicated 20amp line. I don't know what's involved in that so I'll have to look into it. That price is good till 1/13 so I have plenty of time.
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  • audio_alanaudio_alan Posts: 770
    edited December 2012
    Good point, pearsall001. Now's definitely the time to try it, seeing as how they're $250 off right now. :cheesygrin: Regarding the drawback of a dedicated 20 amp line, yeah, not many people have one of those in their livingroom. You'll probably see the power meter spin faster when you turn that thing on too!
  • polkfarmboypolkfarmboy Posts: 5,724
    edited December 2012
    If you try it you can return it but it would cost a lot to ship it back @92lbs
  • headrottheadrott Posts: 5,448
    edited December 2012
    Is this a result of receiving your catalog in the mail?:smile:
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  • audio_alanaudio_alan Posts: 770
    edited December 2012
    headrott wrote: »
    Is this a result of receiving your catalog in the mail?:smile:

    Email update. How else can you bash the latest Emo gear unless you get notified of their new stuff? :rolleyes: :lol:
  • Stilly74Stilly74 Posts: 194
    edited December 2012
    That's justs GREAT! Another piece of audio equipment I need to buy.
  • michael1947michael1947 Posts: 781
    edited December 2012
    I have a dedicated 20amp outlet/line...and I like those pretty blue lights:rolleyes:
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  • allstockallstock Posts: 136
    edited December 2012
    Worth a try,someone buy one so I can buy it used...lol. Seriously it sure looks good on paper, everyone says the big boys like BIG power, it sure fits the bill. It would be fun to take one and disguise it like a McIntosh, I bet it would all-of-a-sudden sound great! Lots of discussion on here about dedicated 20a lines, I have two.
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  • fossyfossy Posts: 1,385
    edited December 2012
    FREE Shippin !!!!!!! somebody get one or 2 !!!
  • naturallightnaturallight Posts: 689
    edited December 2012
    Whats a deal breaker for this amp, is the fact they want a dedicated 20 amp circuit to run it.

    The $1500 price tag for the amp may be fine. The cost of getting a dedicated circuit to were you would place the amp, could end up to be a LOT more then the cost of the amp itself.



    Very few houses have a dedicated 20 amp outlet sitting around doing nothing. You would need a "licensed" electrician. Hopefully you have an open position in you circuit breaker box...If NOT..then you'd need a new panel in there. It could easy cost you 3K, just to get the circuit to were you need it, depending on how old your house is and were the outlet needs to be.


    It may be a nice amp, but the fact they State they want a "dedicated" 20 amp circuit....would send me running in the other direction.
  • mantismantis Posts: 15,425
    edited December 2012
    A dedicated run to a fuse panel to your gear location usually runs around 200-300 bucks. Most people have the room on the Fuse panel to add a 20 amp circuit.
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  • naturallightnaturallight Posts: 689
    edited December 2012
    I'm NOT saying it could not cost that little..would depend on the house, the age of the house, and were you live. The fact that it would cost you, over and above what the price of the amp is, would be the deal breaker...
  • @@@@@@@@@@ Posts: 115
    edited December 2012
    That particular deal breaker is what I am thinking too. I would rather buy a pair of xpa 1 to power my brand new lsi15 than spend a lot of money to run a dedicated 20 amp circuit without knowing whether or not this will give a ton of sound quality difference... I hope I am making sense.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,892
    edited December 2012
    If you're serious about your audio, you should have at least one dedicated 20 amp line powering your gear. It's basic Audio 101.
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  • naturallightnaturallight Posts: 689
    edited December 2012
    No,No, No..F1..there not saying a dedicated 20 amp line for your "GEAR"..just for this power amp..meaning nothing else can run on it!!

    Yes a dedicated line for your GEAR is for sure great....but not the case here. So you would need a whole other line to run everything else......Except the power amp.
  • playbackplayback Posts: 101
    edited December 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    If you're serious about your audio, you should have at least one dedicated 20 amp line powering your gear. It's basic Audio 101.

    +1, Iv'e learned in the last 3yrs it starts at the wall with a second going to room acoustics, only if I could go back many setups ago with this approach alot of gear i parted with may have stuck around longer!
  • naturallightnaturallight Posts: 689
    edited December 2012
    I agree with F1 that you should have a dedicated circuit to run your equipment. I have one in my basement, and i only run my stereo equipment off it..altho it is only 15 amp..but not about to pay to have it upped to 20 amp. It works fine and i have no problem with it. BUT this EMO amp wants it's own dedicated 20 amp circuit.....that to me is far beyound what you should have to do.


    Let me put it this way. My house was built around 1988 or so. The people that had it built put in massive electric as they worked on cars in the garages. I have 200 amp service..have plenty of power, and a large circuit panel. Yes i have open slots. BUT the people for some reason decided to put a sheet rock ceiling in the room with the panel.

    Now yes i might be able to have an electrician come in and run a dedicated line to the area i want it to be.....BUT to get there, to the panel. They would have to cut holes in my sheet rock ceiling.

    So OK..the electrician may have cost me $300 bucks,(depending on were you live) but now i'm left with holes in the ceiling, so thats going to cost me another maybe $150 to fix, plus paint.



    This all depends on the house, what year it was built and what if any open spaces people may have in there electric panel. To go thru all this, for a power amp for speakers..and it's an Emo amp to boot. I think NOT.
  • halo71halo71 Posts: 4,405
    edited December 2012
    Sound to me like you are trying to convince yourself to run a 20 amp circuit and buy the Emo. We all get your disdain for having to run a circuit for this amp.
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  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,265
    edited December 2012
    Like patching holes is all that hard!! If you have the money for room treatments, crossover upgrades, tweeters, ect. I think one can pull off running a 20 amp breaker..
  • naturallightnaturallight Posts: 689
    edited December 2012
    You have to be joking right??? You really want to pay 1500 bucks for an EMO amp, then throw another, 400-to an easy1K plus. Just to get the amp to work??? How on earth did you get that from my reply???



    To be honest, hell you can buy a QSC GX5 or 7 amp, that use the same "H" power supply setup with a fan to cool it down.It has the same power and close to the same specks...so you have to spend 20 bucks ..get a quiet fan..10 bucks says you could not tell the difference between that and the EMO amp....LOL



    Were talking about an EMO amp..that not alot of people like for 2 channel stereo...it's not a Krell or something else.

    A stock Adcom 555 would probably blow this away sound wise.....so whats your point????
  • halo71halo71 Posts: 4,405
    edited December 2012
    My point was, we get what you are saying! You keep saying it over and over again. You either pony up get the amp, run the circuit or you don't. We get that you do not want to have to do that. Give it a break already.
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  • @@@@@@@@@@ Posts: 115
    edited December 2012
    Here is another quick suggestion recommended by other users in the other forum. Please open this link http://www.amazon.com/Furman-ADP-1520-Adapter-Cord-Socket/dp/B0002GXPF4. What do you think about it now?
  • naturallightnaturallight Posts: 689
    edited December 2012
    LMAO.....I have no words for this. If you like EMO stuff..then buy this...I would not touch it with a ten foot pole. I don't like EMO stuff..period.



    What you posted from amazon, is not even close. As to why it doesn't work, or whatever if somebody else whats to tell you why ..thats up to them. I give up.
  • unc2701unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited December 2012
    Your whole argument about the 20 amp line is ridiculous. At four ohms, 1000 watts x2 assuming 100% efficiency (clearly not the case) you need to feed it 2000 watts. Guess what the maximum recommended watts for a 20 amp line is? 1840 watts. So any 1000 watt stereo amplifier can even pop a 20 amp breaker if you push it hard enough; if you were going to complain properly, you'd be asking why they cheaped out and didn't put a 30 amp line on it.

    This has nothing to do with emotiva and the fact that they put the 20 amp line on there is actually a GOOD thing.

    The qsc gx7 you cite is somewhat the equivalent of that amazon cable. To get the rated output, it needs way more than the 15 amps, but they just slapped a 15 amp line it and you'll just get popped breakers.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,446
    edited December 2012
    Seeing as though we all love a good car analogy, I thought I would toss one in of my very own...

    Emotiva is to high performance stereo amplification as a Yugo is to a Ferrari 599.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,892
    edited December 2012
    Guess what the maximum recommended watts for a 20 amp line is? 1840 watts.

    Not sure who recommended that, but the load limit for a 20 amp line is 2400 watts.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,172
    edited December 2012
    Unfortunately, due to the design of my house it is very difficult (expensive) to add a line for my stereo. The house is on a slab, and the attic is full of HVAC ducts, so getting a line from the panel in the back of the house to the front is a lot of work. With that in mind, I think if I do add a line I will add 3 20 amp lines. One for the gear, and one each for the amps. The problem here is that while the line will be new, it still will have AC grunge and will require a Shunyata power conditioner for each amp line. This is really getting expensive now. :eek:
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,446
    edited December 2012
    My room is currently down to the studs, and my panel is right outside.:biggrin:
    But there is zero chance I will be plugging an Emo in any time soon.
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  • headrottheadrott Posts: 5,448
    edited December 2012
    You mean the Emo won't beat your 2 Carver Mono blocks you built a while back John? That's suprising.:razz:
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  • unc2701unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited December 2012
    Load limit for a 20 amp line assuming 120v is 2400 watts; I was using 115 and the NEC 80% rule to get 1840. You can get nuisance pops once you cross that.

    Point being, if I see an amp with more than about 1500 watts total output that DOESN'T have a 20 amp line or dual 15's, I start to get suspicious. (looking at you, sunfire)

    Granted, this is a simplification since your instantaneous output can exceed the draw, but there no getting around the laws of thermodynamics.
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