Bluejeans versus Signal Cable wires?

digitalvideo
digitalvideo Posts: 983
edited December 2010 in Speakers
I am looking for a high quality speaker wire that is at a affordable price (best bang for the buck) and improve the SQ and was wondering which brands to look for? I've heard great things about the Bluejeans/Belden wires and also Signal Cable.

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

http://www.signalcable.com/
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2010
    I'm wonder how those two would compare also, but can add Signal Cables are prettier.

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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited December 2010
    Signal, period. The terminations are much better than Canare, I've met that team personally and the work that they do onsite is solid. I cannot stand the strain relief on BJC but the actual cable is good and I'm sure the group that does the work there is also solid. I go with what I know first hand.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited December 2010
    Signal Cable offers 3 kinds of speaker wires: "Classic" "Ultra" "Silver Resolution" is there a big difference in SQ between them?
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited December 2010
    The only audible difference I've heard is between the Silver and traditional copper based copper Classic/Ultra.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited December 2010
    How about Monster Cable's Interlink® 400 MKii Advanced Bandwidth Balanced® Audio Interconnect 2 meter-long for about $20?

    http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=133
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2010
    Plain old brass termination, nothing special.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited December 2010
    Monster isn't advocated, suggested or anything but laughed at here. If you want to pay 5x the actual markup for the name, roll on but there's very little love for that product here
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited December 2010
    My signal cable connects have a much better build quality than my bluejeans cables. I have had grounding problems with serveral bluejeans connects in my HT rig.

    RT1
  • blueboxer
    blueboxer Posts: 621
    edited December 2010
    MIT cables through Joe Abrams on Audiogon is a great value, I went from Monster Cable Z series to some Audioquest and on to the MIT's. I enjoyed the MIT AVT1's the most. I hear the real difference is when you step up to the Shotgun series, but those are far from budget friendly. Check out the AVT lineup or Kimber 4TC.
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Monster isn't advocated, suggested or anything but laughed at here. If you want to pay 5x the actual markup for the name, roll on but there's very little love for that product here

    Another vote for signal.
    Ben
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,331
    edited December 2010
    SignalCables are great for us on a budget. The Ultra speaker cables and Silver IC's are my favorite combo.
  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited December 2010
    dorokusai wrote: »
    Monster isn't advocated, suggested or anything but laughed at here. If you want to pay 5x the actual markup for the name, roll on but there's very little love for that product here

    I know that Monster company is notorious for over-charging their products many times fold, e.g. their HDMI cables are RIP-OFFS!!!

    But if you can buy what is originally $60-$80 cable at just around $20, just looking at their quality aspect, is it really worth $20 value, or not even that much, less the $60-$80 original price?

    Maybe what people are saying is that Monster's $60 market-priced cable is actually worse than Signal Cable's $36/pair Signal One or $49/pair Signal Two Cables. :confused: :cool:
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    I would avoid the ~M~ even at lower cost. Signal is a better deal. Mention you are a Polk member for a discount.
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited December 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I would avoid the ~M~ even at lower cost. Signal is a better deal. Mention you are a Polk member for a discount.
    Ben

    How much of a discount do they offer?

    Also, is there a difference between the 3 speaker cables they offer in SQ that is really noticeable? My HT is setup for movies and tv/sports.
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    I don't remember off hand but it is at least 10%. Just give Frank a call.
    Ben
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2010
    be83663 wrote: »
    I know that Monster company is notorious for over-charging their products many times fold, e.g. their HDMI cables are RIP-OFFS!!!

    But if you can buy what is originally $60-$80 cable at just around $20, just looking at their quality aspect, is it really worth $20 value, or not even that much, less the $60-$80 original price?

    Maybe what people are saying is that Monster's $60 market-priced cable is actually worse than Signal Cable's $36/pair Signal One or $49/pair Signal Two Cables. :confused: :cool:


    A little story of myself when I owned some Monster speaker cables. When I compare some Monster cables to some other cables, I picked up those Monster Cable and throw them out. I couldn't sell or even give them away knowing what they sound like.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    I tossed a bunch in the dumpster also. I could not see even polluting the forum with ~M~ karma. That would be bad Karma.
    Ben
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    Thanks
    Ben
  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,939
    edited December 2010
    audio art makes great cables and for a little more try straley reality cables, more expensive,( under $300) but you will hold onto them much longer. pnf if you can find some used,but i would not send pnf any money.
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited December 2010
    Speaker Wire -> Figure the minimum distance you need to go.
    Figure the minimum gauge you think you need.
    Go to monoprice, blue jeans, and signal and price out your specs.
    Buy the cheapest that meets your specs; you may have to terminate yourself - no big deal, just factor that into the price.
    If you paid more than minimum, you paid too much.

    My two cents.
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    Sorry MJ you are wrong.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • Audioquest
    Audioquest Posts: 104
    edited December 2010
    I am looking for a high quality speaker wire that is at a affordable price (best bang for the buck) and improve the SQ and was wondering which brands to look for? I've heard great things about the Bluejeans/Belden wires and also Signal Cable.

    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

    http://www.signalcable.com/

    Find some good quality copper wire of 14 or 12 gauge and buy some high quality connectors. It's the connectors that most often compromise the connection between amp and speakers.

    If in doubt, borrow someone's higher end speaker cables and see if you can tell the sonic difference. In most systems a lot of cable is overkill, in some it does sound different. (PS look inside the amp sometime and see what the builder uses. In most cases it's narrow gauge and of generic quality.)

    For interconnects look for a cable that fits your budget, but again look for good ends, preferably the locking type. The signal at this point is a weak and delicate one and this connection is of ultimate importance.

    *The cable controversy has always been a volatile one at times. Your ears are what matters.
    HT: Polk SDA SRS 2.3 main fronts, Klipsch RC-25 center channel, Polk RTi-150 rears, M&K V1B sub, Denon AVR-5800, Samsung 52" LCD, Sony BDP-S550

    2 Channel: Carver ALS Platinum, Audio Research LS-2B preamp, Counterpoint SA-100 amplifier, Integra CD player, Denon SL7D tt, TC750 phono pre, Nikko tuner
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    Find some good quality copper??? According to who? The label or the advertisement for said cable. They all say how they use high quality copper. There is plenty of good advice here if you look. Don't bother reading past the first page in any cable threads. It all turns into useless info real quick. I never believed cables made a difference and then I tried a few.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,878
    edited December 2010
    Audioquest wrote: »
    Find some good quality copper wire of 14 or 12 gauge and buy some high quality connectors. It's the connectors that most often compromise the connection between amp and speakers.

    That is true ..... sort of.

    DigitalVideo, not sure what kind of gear you have and what your listening/viewing preferences are (Home Theater ? Music ?); that makes a difference, IMO

    If your gear and tastes run a little "closer to the ground", than I'd say go with some 10-gauge, OFC wire. Can get a 100-foot roll off of Amazon or even some ....gulp....Monster 10-gauge OFC at Best Buy on clearance sometimes.
    Buy some connectors, and you're good to go.

    For instance: presently, we're running 10-gauge, OFC wire off of an Onkyo AVR to some pleasant speakers.
    Nothing to put on the front page of the local newspaper, but nothing you have to hide when the neighbors come over.
    Most usage comes from these local hooligans playing 360/PS3 video games.
    Going for higher-priced connections would be sort of like throwing pearls before ... well .... hooligans. :wink:
    So 10-gauge OFC is plenty good.

    ABSOLUTELY, IMO, a different matter if you have mid- to upper- range gear and your interests are more in music.
    Cheap out at the beginning, and you may be satisfied for a bit. Until ..... and that's why you don't want to cheap out in this instance.

    *The cable controversy has always been a volatile one at times. Your ears are what matters.

    And that's true .... up to a point.

    Run some cheap lamp cord from Lowes because it was $25 for a 500 foot roll, and your brain may over-ride your ears (at first) with, "Man, did we ever save some money on speaker wire !".
    But eventually ..... :wink:

    Prime Rule applies, IMO: Get what you can with what you got, and be happy with what you get.
    Sal Palooza
  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited December 2010
    Audioquest wrote: »
    For interconnects look for a cable that fits your budget, but again look for good ends, preferably the locking type. The Signal at this point is a weak and delicate one and this connection is of ultimate importance.

    So, I have decided to get Monster M1000 High Performance Stereo Audio Cable-4 Ft, for my RCA cable:
    http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=3858

    And,

    Signal Cable's Ultra Speaker Cable for my Stereo Speaker Cables:
    http://signalcable.com/ultraspeaker.html

    Thank you! :smile:
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited December 2010
    be83663 wrote: »
    So, I have decided to get Monster M1000 High Performance Stereo Audio Cable-4 Ft, for my RCA cable:
    http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=3858

    And,

    Signal Cable's Ultra Speaker Cable for my Stereo Speaker Cables:
    http://signalcable.com/ultraspeaker.html

    Thank you! :smile:

    Awesome but I'd return the Monster and get a pair of the Signal Silver Resolution for less money.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited December 2010
    anonymouse wrote: »
    Sorry guys to be the dissident here. I know Monster is much hated, and as much as I despise their business practices, if I can get a killer deal on their better stuff ... it plain simple works. And well, if compared against a couple of the brands in its league.

    I only buy Monster products at 50-67% its MSRPs; otherwise, I won't pay their original prices.
  • Audioquest
    Audioquest Posts: 104
    edited December 2010
    ...and the great debate continues. I think many times it's not the "how much I saved look how good it sounds" as opposed to look how much I spent they have to sound good that is tricky. It's like a shiny Camaro must go faster than the EVO with the dull paint because it looks so good scenario. It's self justification either way. There have been so many A/B tests that are inconclusive there's just no end to the argument either direction. While there is evidence some cables are better than others, a good component upgrade will make much more difference.

    I've used cables costing much more than the high end gear at the time, and in those systems there is an advantage, aesthetically and sonically. In lesser systems the difference can be almost imperceptible. My current system which isn't high end at all (see below) to me does not warrant high end cables. I buy some copper that is reasonably pure and then install good ends that make exceptional contact. Treat the wire ends with ProGold first so they don't oxidize and it's quite sufficient, for me anyway...and affordable.
    The owners ears are what matters most. After all, anything coming out of speakers is at best a representation of the original music anyway.
    HT: Polk SDA SRS 2.3 main fronts, Klipsch RC-25 center channel, Polk RTi-150 rears, M&K V1B sub, Denon AVR-5800, Samsung 52" LCD, Sony BDP-S550

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited December 2010
    AQ you just don't get it.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited December 2010
    Audioquest wrote: »
    ...and the great debate continues. I think many times it's not the "how much I saved look how good it sounds" as opposed to look how much I spent they have to sound good that is tricky. It's like a shiny Camaro must go faster than the EVO with the dull paint because it looks so good scenario. It's self justification either way. There have been so many A/B tests that are inconclusive there's just no end to the argument either direction. While there is evidence some cables are better than others, a good component upgrade will make much more difference.

    I've used cables costing much more than the high end gear at the time, and in those systems there is an advantage, aesthetically and sonically. In lesser systems the difference can be almost imperceptible. My current system which isn't high end at all (see below) to me does not warrant high end cables. I buy some copper that is reasonably pure and then install good ends that make exceptional contact. Treat the wire ends with ProGold first so they don't oxidize and it's quite sufficient, for me anyway...and affordable.
    The owners ears are what matters most. After all, anything coming out of speakers is at best a representation of the original music anyway.

    Just the fact you use Pro-Gold for your ends means your already a cable weirdo.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited December 2010
    Is Silver better than Copper then, like if I bought Signal Cable's Silver-mixed RCA cable rather than all-Copper Monster's RCA Cable then? :confused: