Stacked!!!! Wow!!!
Alright,
Just by 2 quick demos with Circle of life and the Chad Kroger & Santana song, I can tell you now. I am sad that I do not have another 20-15 feet of ixos wire to plug the other rt35i up and a new tweeter....
With this combo, WOW. I mean that is all I can say. At first, you have to really get use to this new sound, it is totally new. This is a mis-match combination. I must say the soundstage is so much wider, stronger center imaging, stronger back imaging, side imaging, the mids - WOW, awoken from the grave it seems. You can tell a noticeable difference from the left main which is on a stand alone. It is slightly bright though, may be to bright for some members. But overall, I prefer this new sound, and may attempt to purchase a pair of RTi38 or anothe RT35i for stacking in the future. I must say, the results I found were awesome.....
Just by 2 quick demos with Circle of life and the Chad Kroger & Santana song, I can tell you now. I am sad that I do not have another 20-15 feet of ixos wire to plug the other rt35i up and a new tweeter....
With this combo, WOW. I mean that is all I can say. At first, you have to really get use to this new sound, it is totally new. This is a mis-match combination. I must say the soundstage is so much wider, stronger center imaging, stronger back imaging, side imaging, the mids - WOW, awoken from the grave it seems. You can tell a noticeable difference from the left main which is on a stand alone. It is slightly bright though, may be to bright for some members. But overall, I prefer this new sound, and may attempt to purchase a pair of RTi38 or anothe RT35i for stacking in the future. I must say, the results I found were awesome.....
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Gonna make a guess and suggest that over time, you may find this stack to lose some of it's initial appeal, and that you'll become irritated with it's lack of cohesive product.
I think these types of things sound cool at first, as you're bombarded with new dynamic, new sound ... and then one day it hits you, "****, this don't sound right." Ride it out though, enjoy it for as long as you can; and heck, maybe you'll never stop loving it.
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
Well, I can tell you this.....
For some reason the harshness of the silk and the tri lam is no more. It's like together, they are very smooth, and very crisp. However, the left main is harsh as it is killing itself to keep up in volume. However the imaging, the mids, the instruments, vocals, bass, everything about this stack is better. It is initially beter and indeed does sound 'right' as you said.
I tested the Tweeters out with Tatu, as they are very wild in the treble, and the right main (stacked) did worlds better than the left. It was much cleaner, smoother, crisper, wider, just overall....better. It was like a load was taken off of the RTi70. I plan to keep the right main like that, this may hold back on my surrounds....lol.
But I must say, I have thrown, rock, classical, hip hop, and other type of music at it, and I am initially impressed with this new found combo. It definetely sounds better than the left main...
Not to mention it is one heck of a giant......- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
all this from, what, a 15 min demo with only one RT35i stacked?
Wow, you must have hearing like Dan's. :rolleyes:
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
No, I can just hear the difference. I turned off the 35i, and left the i70 on, as soon as the 35i cut off a major bass signal was sent to the 70 and the mids just degraded basically. The highs got etchier also. It was like the 35i was just helping it bare the load. As, that makes sense. The mids are just more articulate, the treble is smoother, its just.....better. I mean do I need to lay it out anymore? I hear it.....don't mean you will or anyone else will.....but I hear it- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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why do people insist on changing what the pro's setup for us :rolleyes:
I don't like the idea of stacking anything, speakers, subs.. looks sound, what ever.. don't care for it. if you want a custom combo speaker do a DIY speaker.
and how do you have this uncanny way of hearing things in speakers? i want to learn this trait... i just don't hear some of this stuff, maybe i need more experiance?MY HT RIG:
Sherwood p-965
Sherwood sd871 dvd
Rotel 1075 amp x5
LSI15 mains
LsiC center
LSIfx surround backs
Lsi7 side surrounds
SVS pb12/plus2
2 Channel Rig:
nad 1020 Pre-amp
Rotel 1080 stereo amp
Polk sda 2B
kenwood grunt Tuner
realistic lab 450 TT
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I just find it a little hard to swallow that you got all that from a 2 song demo from a WAY out of balance system. You have to have some set of ears to discern all that from one side of a stereo signal.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
I didn't hear it by just sitting back and listening. I went up there and turned off the 35i, and listened for the change as the 35i shut off. The bass, the mids, the highs, they just pounded back on the i70 making it sound more enclosed and strained......at first, I did not hear this, turning the 35i back on lightened the load and it sounded cleaner, clearer, wider, more dynamic, just better....
Troy, I just sat down and listened to about 10 different songs...all same results. I listened to one, turned off the 35i, and listened and I didn't like the 70's alone. Even with one 35i, I like that...- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
What I have a problem with is 2 weeks ago (or whatever) the 70's were the best thing ever and now its (and I quote)
"WOW, awoken from the grave it seems."
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See this is why I don't post about this type stuff, because there are ****$holes all around here that want to take things I have said, and then said and take them to a totally different world. Sorry, you sir took something totally different and made it into something new. The 70 has killer mids, and I still stand by my word that they have the best mids in the RTi towers. That is my opinion, but when I plugged the 35i the mids were even better than before.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
See this is why I don't post about this type stuff, because there are ****$holes all around here that want to take things I have said, and then said and take them to a totally different world. Sorry, you sir took something totally different and made it into something new. The 70 has killer mids, and I still stand by my word that they have the best mids in the RTi towers. That is my opinion, but when I plugged the 35i the mids were even better than before.
Not even gonna comment.
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I think, the reason for this guys is he had added a midrange thus making the setup louder at a lower volume, taking the strain off is right, i have a feeling that amp is not doing its job, that is why is sounds better with more drivers and tweeters at a lower or same volume. if that makes sense.. but all the stuff about opening up, crisper, clearer or what ever.. I can't see how you hear so many details and in a short time to boot? I believe you hear what you "think" you hear. i just want to know how you learned such discerning taste and hearing?MY HT RIG:
Sherwood p-965
Sherwood sd871 dvd
Rotel 1075 amp x5
LSI15 mains
LsiC center
LSIfx surround backs
Lsi7 side surrounds
SVS pb12/plus2
2 Channel Rig:
nad 1020 Pre-amp
Rotel 1080 stereo amp
Polk sda 2B
kenwood grunt Tuner
realistic lab 450 TT
Signal cable IC -
Your not listening to what I am saying......
The signal is split. I am running them with 2 amps, a y-splitter, 1 cable, 2 sets of cables. The signal is SPLIT. Thus, the mids are not running the same signal, they are SPLIT. They are lighter, but still fuller. The bass is SPLIT, the highs, they are SPLIT. Can you not see the logic here? The highs are split between 2 tweeters. One is a more open tweeter, one is a more smoother tweeter. The result? (for me) Clearer, Cleaner, Smoother, more detailed highs.
The mids, are split between 3 mid-bass drivers. Can you not see the logic in that one? The bass is also split between 3 mid-bass drivers. Do you see that logic?- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
This is nothing new. Back in the 70s folks would take 2 pairs of Advents and stack them with the top speaker inverted so that the tweeters were close together. It was a very nice sounding setup. In fact The Absoulute Sound did a test of the "Double Advent System" in their very first issue. For those who are interested, here is a link to that article:
The Absolute Sound Double Advent review"Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
"Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson -
OH MAN! Double Advents? I have heard them in a single pair, I bet the bass is KILLER....WOW, I will have to repair my Dad's other pair and take a listen. Sounds killer!- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Sid, please don't take this the wrong way, as I'm not intentionally trying to bait you here (really, I'm not), but I just don't know what to make of this. I'd understand it better if you at least had 2 35s to do the experiment with. Better yet, 38s (or 800s so that at least all the tweeters were a perfect match). But this is a bit odd to say the least.
In other threads, you describe your perfect ideal speaker, and it sounds a whole lot like either the 150s/12s or some Klipschs, but then you go on about how you don't really like either Klipsch or the 150s/12s and how the 70 is just the greatest speaker in the world, and now you're even running the 70 down when compared to playing with 1 35i thrown in the mix. This has me (and obviously some others as well) wondering WTF you are coming from. This is exactly the reason I made the comment in another thread about taking whatever you say with a grain of salt. Just slow down a little. First thing, get that tweeter fixed! If you can and it would work OK, pop the new silks that match the 70s in those 35s (thus in effect, turning them into 38s). -
I think the deal is... he's.. what.. 14? The propensity for extreme opinions, both good and bad, used to put gravel in my craw... then I thought about what I was like at that age. The latest WAS the greatest, and if it sucked, it REALLY sucked. I think it is pretty normal for guys in their teens.
Do what you want, Sid, but as an honest effort to open your mind, I'd suggest taking a little of the edge off, at both extremes (at least in your posts). It really does become a "crying wolf" thing, where each new opinion, good or bad, is taken a little less seriously because, as people here are pointing out, you become inconsistent and self-contradictory. The result will be that your real insights and input will end up getting lost in the mess.
Edit: this sort of thinking can hold on longer than just teens.. I remember interviewing for jobs after college.. THE latest interview was THE greatest job, EVER. -
Please, point out where I said the 70 is the greatest speaker in the world? Please...I must see that posts. The greatest speakers I have heard is the Wilson Audio X-1. Polk Audio SRT.
Trust me, I want to do a 35i stacked on the left also, but I don't have the cable or the tweeter. Now that! would be fun!
Don't get me wrong, I like the RTi150, and the i12. The thing I don't like is the mids on the RTi150 (which are better than the RTi100 and the RTi38 in the mids), and I don't like the power hungryness of the i12. The i12 had 200 watts going into it, and I couldn't believe how much begging it did for more, same beef with the i150. The 70 is my speaker of choice, it's easier to drive, has supperior mids (IMO).
As you can see, I would jump the boat to buying a pair of bookshelf speakers, and towers with just mids, no subs, before I would a mid/sub tower combo. Why? because, I plan to get the SVS PB2 ISD...do I need all that subbage? No way....lol. Besides, the i150 or i12 would take my amp and laugh....lol
But, from what I hear.....right now I plan to buy a pair of i38 instead of a XBox.....- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Burdette is absolutely correct. Double stacking back in the day was a popular idea. I've conversed with a couple of guys who double stacked DQ-10's back in the day. Yes, I do think it is an idea with merit.
Now, having said that, yes, I do question the validity of claims made from a 2 song (ok, ten song) demo as being absolute fact. I'm not saying that it isn't possible nor do I think Sid isn't capable of hearing such distinctions however under the given circumstances, I am skeptical. I understand the propensity for rash statements, that's a given, but if you want to be taken seriously there is a threshold of credibility that hasn't been met in this case. Could we say that now the highs have been tamed the whole closet thing is a non-issue?
Lastly, I have a HUGE problem by being called an **** by a 14 year old. At your age, my father would have beaten my **** senseless, however, this is a different time and medium of exchange. All I did was voice my skepticism and possibly make you see why I might be a bit skeptical. As others have pointed out, young man, your stories are so full of holes (and I think you are cut yards of slack because of your age) that sometimes it's laughable. Now, If you want to post your opinions, you need to be able to deal with the resulting comments. In my world, if you voice an opinion, you need to be able to defend it or sometimes, take the fact that maybe there is some ground that needs to be covered. THAT is part of growing up. So, either bear the consequences OR don't post at all.
TroyI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
Oh, and those Advents? Killer bass? Well, if being rated down to 30hz is KILLER BASS, I'm sure that they would float your boat.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
Troy, I didn't call you that. Sorry if you thought I did. It was indirect calling to one individual because he made a comment basically because he thinks I am a one track person that only hears one thing. I did not like that. So I am sorrry for that inconvience, and I think nothing more or less of anyone on this forum.
Actually, the harshness from the closet is still there, because well, the left main is still there....lol. But on the right side, you can pretty much hear the difference between speakers, especially when you turn the 35i off. Its like the 70 is straining, I dunno. I just like the sound of the pair together. Nothing more, nothing less.
No they have loud, accurate, tight bass Troy, Never said they hit low....- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Ken B is not an ****$hole, infact he offers great advice and out look on this forum. However, I must say I do not appreciate his comments. I felt they were uncalled for. I guess I approached that situation in a more unfashionable way, and I am sorry for my rudeness, I shall digress(sp).
I have stated my opinions, I have been listening to this setup for a hour or so now, and I still feel the same about it. This may change over time, possibly in a week or so. If it does - then I will definetely post back...- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Regardless of it was me or anyone else, I don't happen to think that calling anyone an **** is appropriate behavior by anyone.
TroyI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
Ah well, Read above....- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Did you rearrange the **** in the closet? Can you pull the dresser out? Ya know, carpet squares would be more dense and sound-absorbant than an average blanket or comforter. You can often find them for a buck each (or less). Maybe 6-8 squares, tacked to the inner walls of the closet.. maybe to the sides of the dresser if it isn't grammy's antique, might help with the reverb. As I said, you just need to deaded the space.
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No, I can't pull the dresser out. It is pretty much just...well....there. I have things all in my closet, from hats to a couple of shirts, to boxes, shoes, etc. Just a regular closet (with a dresser in it, without a door) lol! I still have not really found the time to find a comforter or something to hang up. basically because I have to ask my mom which ones I can use and can't use.....- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Go down to your local thrift-o-matic with a fiveski and find one that doesn't smell like foot-n-****, bring it home, hang it - done.
Damn Sid, use your brain, pull the comforter off your bed and TEST the freakin theory already.
DING! Blankets Hung!Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service. -
What comforter? I have sheets.....sheats? I dunno how to spell....
brb dudes, will hang a cover.....just hold your tators....- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Well, a comforter was not needed. I hung an extra sheat, sheet (w/e), and it solved the problem. Well, not really solved, it lightened the problem...but the highs are much smoother. I tested this with Puddle of Mud, because that would answer my questions easily.....basically because it was always harsh as el. Thank you for all the suggestions.....now only if I had another RTi tweeter, and about 20 feet of IXOS wire....lol- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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A SHEET?
Ok, here it is......****thump******
THAT was the **** flag being thrown.
Again, what was that, a five minute demo?
I'm not even gonna address the fact that a sheet is probably the same thinkness as grill fabric, which, is pretty acoustically transparent.
Man, you oughta go apply at Stereophile. Show them how those multi-month demo/reviews can be cut down to less than 30 mins. ****, all that money they been wasting for those slackers taking all that time. :rolleyes:
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
Troy,
I said "It didn't solve it, it lightened it, but did NOT solve it."
Troy, your not in my room. You don't know how thick the sheet was...you don't know the closet size, or what is in it. Who are you to be the oh so mighty audio god that whatever your splurged mouth spits out is true so be it wrote in stone? Who are you to say, that a sheet could not solve, or lighten the problem? Who are YOU to SAY that what I hear is not right? Who are you to SAY that everything I do is BS, that I can't tell a difference in one song. Man I listen to that song all the time, the difference was noticeable. Do I need to listen again to make your brain transfer this thought?
The sheet is actually rather thick, if you want to look at it this way, by the time the treble passes through the sheet into the closet, reflecting off clothes, hats, shoes, dressers, and then crossing back through the sheet, it will have done died down, no? High frequencies are easily drained. Low frequencies carry on for a long amount of time.
Once again, who are you to say that what I think happened, did not. For I am wrong, because you probally have a 25hz-14khz hearing response within your ears? Which would make most anything really hard to be harsh, infact, Klipsch would be music to your ears.
I posted this to say my findings. I may have to put up with comments but to say what I think is BS is not cool. Infact, deal with my opinions, or do NOT post. Same exact thing to you, if I can't deal with your opinions, I will not post. How is this so hard? Do you feel compelled to speak your true and utmost mind to try to degrade my listening experience, because it seems unetchical? Well BS, BS it is, my opinion, what I hear, know, see, it is all BS. We have settled it. Oh man, cry me a river....- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
