Stacked!!!! Wow!!!

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited September 2003
    Troy, maybe the sheet was covered in dried E. That would make it less transparent.

    I bet Sid's room smells like dried E.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited September 2003
    Sid, no offense, but now your just NOT making any sense.

    I read your post. A freakin' sheet tacked up is going to make squat of a difference and IF it did, it would take more than five minutes for you to discern the difference.

    Again, I'll cut you some slack, but, sorry, the BS flag is still in play.

    Troy
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited September 2003
    Troy,
    I will listen more tonight, right now, I am at my computer and im to the side of the speaker. All I get on this side of the room is bass. I can't tell you anything from sitting here. Just.....hold your tators. That is first impressions. Nothing more, nothing less
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited September 2003
    Ok Sid, so, your 5 minute demo was done at the computer not even in front of the speakers. Well that just lends MORE credibility.

    Hey, I'm the FIRST one to admit that I don't even pretend to know alot. Read my posts, I usually preface my opinions with a disclaimer. HOWEVER, when I DO post my opinons I try to give them justice with a reasonable demo of more than a few minutes. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, I DO however try to apply some common sense.

    Now, on to the sheet in question. I'm willing to bet that I got a closet full of 'em. I prefer a pretty decent thread count (course I probably don't have the dry spunk factor so I'll give you that) BUT I can tell you when the alarm clock rings, pulling one sheet over my head doesn't do a damn thing to lessen the shrillness.

    Hey, you wanna devote a few hours (minimum) of undestracted listening and report your findings, I'll give them some credibility. A five minute demo on one or two songs sitting in front of the computer? Magic 8 ball says: doubtful

    Now, I'm out on this issue, feel free to continue on your temper tantrum. I know, us adults just don't understand what it's like to know everything.

    Troy
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited September 2003
    Oh, Dr. Sid ( I didn't realize that you were also an ENT specialist as well, perhaps we should call you Dougie Houser )

    I just had a hearing test (part of Uncle Sam making sure that seven months of dust and sand didn't damage anything) and my hearing is solid well into 18khz. But that was just a doctor, what would he know.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,774
    edited September 2003
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Ken B is not an ****$hole, infact he offers great advice and out look on this forum. However, I must say I do not appreciate his comments. I felt they were uncalled for. I guess I approached that situation in a more unfashionable way, and I am sorry for my rudeness, I shall digress(sp).

    I have stated my opinions, I have been listening to this setup for a hour or so now, and I still feel the same about it. This may change over time, possibly in a week or so. If it does - then I will definetely post back...

    Oh yes I am ;)
    If quoting you was uncalled for, I apologize
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited September 2003
    Funny stuff, funny stuff.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited September 2003
    Reporting Back.....

    Today.......

    I was listening to music.......

    and well I was listening......

    I couldnt stand it.....

    I just had to turn off the RT35i..........

    YOU KNOW WHY??

    Because the right side sounded so much effin better I couldn't take the left sounding so bad, so I compensated and made both sides sound inferrior............now must I say. After I did that....I turned off the system and just put on headphones.....
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • bigsexy1
    bigsexy1 Posts: 557
    edited September 2003
    No way! Say it isn't so! The 70 (the world's greatest speaker of all time) actually sounded inferior to something. I just can't believe that.



    In all seriousness Sid, I just can't see how you could possibly do a fair review with only one 35. Don't get me wrong, it very well could possibly be better stacked like that than not, but I just don't see how you can make a clear cut decision one way or the other with the way you have it set up with only 1 35.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited September 2003
    BS,
    I am trying to solve that.....go to off topic.....lol

    I am going to purchase 20 more feet of IXOS wire, and replace the tweet and fire them up. However, I can tell you now. It is better, I can hear it when I turn the 35i off. The difference is there, whether its really good or not.....I won't know till both sides are equal......that will be judgement day.....fo shizzle

    Stay tuned....
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited September 2003
    I had a pair of vintage 3-ways invertedly stacked atop my 10Bs. For HT, I'd only use one pair, but for 2ch I'd get them both going. It sounded pretty good. This lasted me until I built the periscopes.
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited September 2003
    Welcome back Sid... Someone much calmer been using your sig around here lately... ;)

    On your experiment:
    I'm sure you heard a difference in your stacked channel, mostly timbre and volume. Rule #1 in speaker buying, louder sounds better. And I'm talking moderate volumes here of comparable speakers. If I understand your y-splitting scheme, you set the stacked up with more power. So balance your channels and report back.

    Some of your soundstage comments are a little less credible. Soundstage is very much an interaction of both channels and a product of the physical size of the speakers. Adding a mid another 12" above the 70 it's on is going to drag imaging up, but deeper/ wider, well again you added to that channel's dynamics.

    All in all though, I must say kudos to you for experimenting. I thought your 2 ch wire test was really slick. I don't think this extension of that approach is quite as solid...

    On your reaction to other's "feedback":
    I must note that in recent weeks you have gone on in posts to the point of implying others were mistaken in their choice of 150's over 70's. I just finished a read where you were raining on a new 150's owner's joy parade. That's not too cool... It makes others feel the way you were feeling here.

    Your audio tastes have changed in the near year I've been posting here, as has your maturity and knowledge. What hopefully comes next to you is the restraint and tact to keep opinions in check to some degree when commenting on someone's recent cash outlay(s). Sometimes it's better to simply ask "Did you consider..." or say "In my experience..."
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited September 2003
    Tour,
    I can't really tell what is going on with the sound from only one speaker being stacked. I need to get the other tweeter replaced and more wire. However from just listening, the soundstage on the right is much fuller than on the left.

    There is no way to calibrate the RT35i/RTi70 together. Its a mainly plug and pray. (yes, I mean pray). The signal is split between the two, they work together fabulously! IMO of course...I hope my taste stay the same when I stack the other, won't know till then however.

    Yeah, I am going to start staying out of these RTi150/RTi100/RTi70 debates. Because I don't know how to handle my stand in them without just being totally blunt. So I will refrain from doing so from now on.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Terrax
    Terrax Posts: 483
    edited September 2003
    Tour2ma,
    Very well said, on your remarks about being tactful, I think you have finely put it the way some others have been wanting too.

    Sid,
    Very good response, in the posts of yours I have read, you show a muturity and intelligence level that far exceeds that of a 14 year old (at least I am assuming you are from what all I have read), and excellent writing skills. With the knowledge and passion you display, nothing could stop you from going anywhere in life you would ever want to go. (Course theres nothing wrong with picking at one another).

    Terry:D
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited September 2003
    Originally posted by Terrax
    Very well said, on your remarks about being tactful, I think you have finely put it the way some others have been wanting too.
    I think that the way people would "want" to put it to Sid is with a foot up his ****......Only problem with that being that his head has been residing there a lot lately....;)
    comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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  • malikarshad
    malikarshad Posts: 527
    edited September 2003
    Well guys. I have been following this post for a while and it inspired me to try the stack up style. I have Rti38 setup for my computer rig and I transfered Rti38 to my HT setup to stack it up on my Rti70.
    I did demo with music & movies. I would say it makes a difference in the soundstage. The sound is more smoother and louder.
    Well to my amazement my wife helped me in testing the sound quality and she likes it much better now, to the extent she pleaded not to change the stack up style. She used to hate when I used to play it loud, now she tells me to play it loud as its much smoother now.
    Sid is a kind of people who are not afraid to try new things in life. Well there is always risk but I think sometimes the benefit outways the risk.
    I personally prefer the stackup style. I'm some much impressed by it that I gonna try to put two pair of Rti70 together and see what difference it makes. I just bought a pair of Rti70 from CC. If it works well then I gonna keep 4 Rti70 for my front. Sounds crazy but that how u learn.
    I'm gonna try it & post my impressions latter.
    Sid thanks for such an excellent idea.

    Speakers=>Salk Soundscape 8, Soundscape Center,Surrounds-Dali Rubicon LCR, Lsi7
    PreAmp, Amp => Marantz AV8801, ATI 6007 amp, Oppo HA-1 DAC
    Source => Sonore MicroRendu, Oppo BDP-103, Mede8er 600XD, Dune HD Smart D1, Synology DS1813+(16TB)
    Sub - JTR Captivator S2 (Dual 18")
    Power - Furman IT-Ref20i on dedicated 30Amp circuit with Furutech GTX-R outlet
    Screen=> JVC RS-45 projector Da-Lite HP 133" 2.35
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2003
    Originally posted by faster100
    why do people insist on changing what the pro's setup for us :rolleyes:

    First of all what the "pro's" setup is almost always a compromise of sorts. In other words most consumer goods are built based on providing the best (performance, results, utility, whatever...) at a given cost effectiveness. Almost anything mass produced can be "Improved" or "tweaked" to make it better for a particular situation. This holds true for speakers, electronics, computers, cars, furniture, homes, etc, etc, etc...

    Anyway...as to stacked speakers...As I said, I heard a pair of double Advents back in the 70s and they were a nice setup. For years I ran my pair of Advents with my AR 4AXs stacked on top. I ran them parallel with one pair hooked to the A speaker hookup and one set to the B speaker hookup and would have both on. Whenever I would drop one set of speakers the sound always sounded more subdued and not as full. This may have been more of a situation where I was simply not hearing what I was used to. It's been 15 or so years since I used this setup (the tweeters fried on the ARs - as they were prone to do on that model).

    More recently, just for **** and giggles, I set my RT25is on top of my Rt55is and hooked them up in sequence (running the amp speaker out + to one speaker and the amp speaker out - to the other and then running wire between the remaining 2 teminals). I really didn't do much testing but it was interesting to toe the 55s in while running the 25s straight out (kinda like big Bose dual cubes :D ). The soundstage was wider and the speakers "seemed" to compliment each other well resulting in a "filling in" of the spectrum. I did not add power nor did I play them any louder.

    This was nothing comprehensive nor did I do any critical listening. I had to change them out rather quickly for some reason but I did note that a full scale long term demo of this setup might be worthwhile. Again, I know Juice21 swore by his RT35is stacked on top of his RT800is.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited September 2003
    EFF YEAH MARK! YOU ARE DA MAN!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2003
    as I see it... Sid you need to get a life guy. It's cool and great that you are so interested in music and home theater at your age.... but there is a whole big FUN world out there waiting to be discovered by a young man with a bright future.

    This is just a suggestion.... but why not find other hobbies? What else do you like doing? I bet you're probably thinking about a car/truck of your own a few years down the road... or sports, or like your poems for instance..

    Posting dozens of posts a day.... it getting tiresome to read... so I just skip most of your posts from now on. It's tough to take anything you say seriously anymore. Yes you've grown up over where you were say 6 months ago.. but sometimes your posts are just taking up useless space now. There is room on this forum for everyone.. but dude.. tone it down a bit. Refrain from posting for the sake of posting without any merrit to what you're saying. We are all here because we love audio in all forms.. but I don't want to know about every time you change a track on your CD's. :D

    Yeah, you can call me an @sshole if you want.. but guy.. come on now.. get a life, please. Posting every three minutes has to be getting old by now. Why not help your dad rebuild or restore a car, explore your city on bike, find a girlfriend, take up photography (photography is a great hobby), learn a new language, just expand your horizons some. You get out of life what you put into it. I'd hate for you to look back when you're old (like me, 40) and find that most of your time was spent in front of the computer posting in the Polk Audio forums.

    peace,

    Al
    PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
    Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin:
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,755
    edited September 2003
    Danger,

    Thats great that you think that. Next time, know the person you are telling that instead of many insinuations. You'll get much farther as you know zero about me.

    Thank ya.

    - Sid (The Lifeless) ;)

    PS:

    I know about all of my city on foot.

    I have had a girlfriend, we broke up - currently trying to get back together with her.

    I do NOT spend all my time on this forum. I work on the weekend. I relax and come on here to spend my time. I go to school, I see my friends regurually. I don't see my friends on the weekend or the summer because I work. During the summer, I make time to see them however. Life is a bit**.

    I don't play sports due to a knee problems.

    I build houses, not cars.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited September 2003
    Sid, you forgot to mention that you can type about 10,000 wpm... :D
    And actually you can balance the channels using your AVR's channel calibration feature. It is critical as you'll note in the posts of the others who are following you (can it really be? :) ) here with their reports of increased volume.

    Had forgotten until now, but when F1 and and I visited Polk back in May, Matt told us a story about stacking inverted (and reversed) SRS's for a party at his house... NOW THAT"S A STACK...

    db,
    Gotta say that while I think that your urgings may have been heartfelt, your middle paragragh mentioning useless posts, etc. is out of line IMO. MxStyler is gone. Vx has been by and large only pointless only during fun time, when pointless is sorta the point.

    This is hardly a frivilous thread. Gotta give credit where it's due.

    Shack,
    Good post. Stacking is just another form of tweaking...

    Excuse me now... Have to see if I can heft my DQ's onto my SRS's... :eek:
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited September 2003
    Wall mount the DQs over the CAs.

    I never got around to in, but I always wanted to try my SH generator on one of the pairs.
    Make it Funky! :)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited September 2003
    gridah,
    SH on the DQ's? How 'bout the SDA's... that ought to confuse them.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited September 2003
    Actually, I think (and this may have been missed amid my gruffness which may have been a bit overboard) stacking is an idea with a LOT of merit.

    My thoughts are that the speakers should be fairly similar (identical being ideal) and that, obviously to get a real idea of what's going on, both channels should be the same.

    Again, my issue with Sid is not the number of posts (I've got more than a few with little to no value added) but if you are going to do a demo or experiment and you want the results to be taken as reasonably conclusive it's got to be a credible demo. The stacking demo was seriously flawed (but I give him points for creativity).......however, the sheet thing? It was 10 mins between the time he posted he was going to hang a sheet and when he reported back that the sheet was hung, demo complete and his findings. Sorry, I don't buy it. Again, give the lad props for creativity........

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • bigsexy1
    bigsexy1 Posts: 557
    edited September 2003
    "I don't play sports due to a knee problems."

    If you think that they're bad now, then you just wait till I go down there and get your little **** in the figure 4!
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,774
    edited September 2003
    Originally posted by bigsexy1
    "I don't play sports due to a knee problems."

    If you think that they're bad now, then you just wait till I go down there and get your little **** in the figure 4!

    That gonna be on Pay Per View? I'd pay to see it.

    Signed, A$$HOLE;)
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2003
    go beat up the 14 y/o.... lol nice
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • Terrax
    Terrax Posts: 483
    edited September 2003
    I for one, am more than happy to give Sid credit, for alot of things. One, for his age, he displays a knowledge that I'm sure most of us 40 year olds didn't even concern ourselves with at his age. Two, being willing to put effort into trying something new and different with a thought in mind to possibly improve something for all of us reading this thread (we had to be interested or we wouldn't have started reading it to begin with) by shareing his findings with us, however limited in timeframe (I believe the thread started as a ongoing process, not here you go it's done, what do you all think?) Three, bare in mind, he is working with limited resource's, but yet, still trying to get the best result from what he has on hand at the moment. (I'm sure we have all done that, I know I have). I know what Sid has introduced in this thread has certainly made me want to try it, just to see if I like it myself.:cool:

    Edit: I know I haven't been posting here long enough to include myself as a true member, so to speak, and haven't read alot of Sid's post in the past, but going by what I have read I stand by my comments above. Even tho Sid thinks his 70's are better than my 150's, hehe
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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,774
    edited September 2003
    Originally posted by faster100
    go beat up the 14 y/o.... lol nice

    Must not have called you names recently ;)
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2003
    oh i see, understndable.. No we get along pretty good i suppose
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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