Stacked!!!! Wow!!!

brettw22

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
I cant really comment till I get the other main in a mirror image. But from just sitting there, with one finger in my ear canceling out one channel the best I can. Switching back and fourth.

<<i shouldn't comment, i shouldn't comment, i shouldn't comment......>>

VR3

Your right Brett. You shouldn't have!

VR3

Short Review on my Half-Stacked-Ghetto Rig!

Stereo. What is stereo? Correct me if I am wrong, stereo is to depick the right and left channel sound, but not noticeable what speaker is doing what. So according to this, the left ear will pick up mostly the left chanel where as the right will pick up mostly the right. Am I right? I believe so.

With that being said, I will continue forwards into this journey.

I am listening to Nickelback, Fuel, Limp Bizkit off and on all day. Right now - mostly Nickelback (because their new CD OWNS!). The Nickelback fans out there will know when I say that he has a rather scratchy voice and easily can become harsh and heavy on the sibilance to some speakers.

Going back to the top of this post, paying attention to right and left channel, and how each channel effects my right and left ear. I must say, the left channel (not stacked) causes me to turn occasionally because of the highs. They seem to be very together, enclosed, not detailed, rather etchy, not as smooth as the right. It also seems to sound more strained and is trying to reproduce the sound. Not doing its job of just doing, it is trying. Which is not good, strained is not good. It draws alot of attention to itself. This screws up the entire sound field.

The right speaker (stacked) however draws no attention to me. The entire right side sounds more transparent, not strained, more open, crisper, more detailed. Just more everything. The vocals seem more center based, however due to the mismatch of speakers, the vocals are slightly to the left more than I want. Hopefully this will be solved when the mirror image comes into play. However, back to the right channel. It draws no attention, it plays cleaner, sounded cleaner, more detailed, it is just the better speaker to me. I will turn off the 35 for about 30 minutes or so, and will eventually turn it back on hearing better results, hearing a much better speaker on the right side.

Don't get me wrong. The 70 is a great speaker, and I will echo the statements of others. It is bright, to bright for my small room. It draws WAY to much attention to itself. However, excusing the newly priced RTi150, and looking at retail value. I would take this 900 dollar stacked pair of speakers over the 1,500 dollar RTi150. You can say what you want about the RTi150. However, when you mix two similar speakers, with 3 mid-bass drivers. A good tweeter combo, it is kinda hard for a 1 tweeter, 1 mid-bass speaker to keep up.

I will comment though, that the bass of the RTi150 will rule the stacked combo still. Will say this though, the RT35i (hitting strong on everything above 50hz) and the RTi70 (hitting strong on everything above 40hz) the bass is still killer for what it is. Perfect subwoofer setup with a 65-70hz crossover. I don't quite like 80hz, makes the M&K very locational.

These are my results with half/half. Hopefully my results and opinions will stay the same, if not increase when the left channel is cloned.

Until then, Let the games begin.

Terry,
I read your thread, about the locational highs. I must say - I just don't understand that part. Maybe it is because I am using the Tri-Lam and Silk together in a combo or what but I just hear a more steadied high, clearer, smoother, crisper, everything about the highs seem better to me.

PS to all that try stacking:
Make sure that you put atleast 3 layers of rags or rubber feet between the top bookshelf and the tower. I also would tie the speakers together from Power Port to Carpet Spike if you decide to keep them stacked.

Why do you ask?

Well yesterday, I was playing a good 98db or so, give or take. I was at my computer, typing away to a fellow member on here about whatever the conversation consisted of and the 35 decided to do a dive. It unplugged, rammed into my entertainment center door, busting the door on the side, and slightly (minorly) damaging the RT35i's corner. Nothing noticeable at far glances. Only up close. Although, it would have been better if the speaker never left its post.

Disclaimer: I am not stupid, I had 3 layers of rags between the 35i and 70, hoping this would deadin' the vibrations enough to keep it calm. Little I forgot that the toughness of the rags are pressed down and create a slick surface. After this happened, I then proceeded to take one strand of 16 awg HD wire to tie the 35 (by power port) to the 70 (Carpet Spike). I have had no problems since then.

I hope many others will try stacking, as the results I have come across are amazing, even with one channel. I suggest if you have a similar speaker laying around, with the same effeciency. Close to drivers, or similar sounding tweeters --- try it.

- Sid

dorokusai

Please stop this whole operation, it is insanity. No offense but the increased soundstage is an absolute no brainer with another speaker attached. It is a given you increase some soundstage with adding another speaker on top of another. You could probably get some spooky Halloween effects if you lay them on the ground also. This exercise proves nothing, but that adding more cabinet volume and driver surface area, that the "sound" "becomes" "better", I just don't get what the objective is.

The D'Appolito design is a bipolar design, if I recall, not a stacked speaker basement idea.

I mean no offense to those who have tried, **** I have tried dropping my gang on a woofer, but it still says boredom to me.

faster100

My only beef is, I don't care for unneatness.IE: stacked speakers, wires coming from the top and bottom of the "stack" i like conformaty (sp) cleaness... get bigger speakers if you want bigger sound.. Sda's... Rti150's... the new rt12's.... i like my 150's because one they sound good,2. they look great!! their huge, authority rings a bell.. I just wouldn't IMHO care for speakers all stacked up in my HT/living room.. for a bedroom maybe it looks and sounds cool and when sid moves maybe he wont wanna stacked deal in plain view i don't know.. i don't anyways.

VR3

Mark,
Will not stop. Must continue on the search for bigger and better sound.

faster100

well from a rti70, your on the wrong track of bigger or better then what you got,

VR3

I like the stacked combo. Insanity or not. I like it.

dorokusai

Faster - I agree completely, its messy. I am a neat freak, and that would drive me ****. Good example.

Trey - Whatever man, I will never try this in my lifetime. I think you should worry about finding some other things to mess around with. You are becoming a nutcase with this stuff brother.

VR3

A nutcase I will be then!

When I'm jammin, i'll be laughin!

The way I'm going to wire it, the wires wont be noticeable unless you look behind the speaker.

faster100

Doro your the best! your funny as hell, and agree with me .. Gold jerry.. GOLD

trey keep a stacking, but like the law of gravity what go's up must come down, or fall down for that matter. LOL kidding

faster100

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
I then proceeded to take one strand of 16 awg HD wire to tie the 35 (by power port) to the 70 (Carpet Spike). "I have problems"

- Sid

this part i have a problem with, vanity wise.. haha LOL :rolleyes:

VR3

No more falling for this stacked pair. Tied down it is

The tied wire is not what you think it is. Very un-noticeable. Wouldnt know unless you looked behind it.

dorokusai

Faster - Thanks, I know we disagree on some shite, but hell thats the forum you know. Trey is loony I think. BTW, nice grab on the AMC, you have a very nice setup rolling honcho

VR3

I am loony...so? lol

Can't say I didnt try in the end though!

dorokusai

Loony is ok, its when you become crazy is when the Post Office gets wary.

VR3

Beyond Crazy.....

Did you know......

Insanity means trying to the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

Do you think I would count as being insane?

faster100

hence the saying, "going postal"

Hey doro, i don't think we even disagreed?? But if so all in fun of the hobby.. and thanks.. although i'm on a killer budget... I have got some real deals lately and i build computers on the side and just got another job, My UPS lady needs a PC.. so thats how i am buying some of my new gear..:D amongst a few sales of some depression glass i just sold.. (we collect it and sell it))

dorokusai

Trey - Nah, I guess not. Unfortunately, by that definition, I guess I am crazy. I keep trying to listen to Bill O'Reilly without getting my panties....oh I mean underwear in a bunch, each day. I must be insane.

Faster - Yea, **** I don't know either, fook it....we cool either way, lol. I just built my first comp, was stressed out doing it, but it has ran like a top since day one. I will never buy a store bought one again. Email me sometime, I would like to chat with you.

dorokusai@comcast.net

faster100

no prob my man, Been building pc's for like 5 -6 years... its a passion i guess, my family and friends all have custom built computers by me .whats better then spending money?? spending someone elses money

Fun fun, and sometimes you make money,

dorokusai

AMEN!

Terrax

Sid,

I think you and I are the only ones willing to try something new, something different, something out of the oridinary, so maybe we should just PM our findings, likes or dislikes?;) I had thought this area of the forum was an open area to disscuss all things speaker related, hm, quess I was wrong.

To anyone else,

As far as wiring, whos to say the wiring has to be a jumbled up mess sticking out everywhere, I know when I build something to stay, I do so to a perfectionst standpoint, hell, just ask my wife, it drives her crazy just watching me get the tape measure out, I measure everything to within a 16th of a freakin inch, and thats just on speaker placement.

My stacked 38's thread is just an experiment, one I thought I would share, but with most not even willing to consider one might just run across a better sound by doing something crazy, well, lets see, I believe people once believe the world was flat.... hm.... also that Christopher Columbus was crazy, for thinking he might sail farther than the end of the known world at the time. But quess what, he didn't fall off, he found that the world was indeed round, just as some had theorized. And what about all the other inventors that have paved the way for the life we now know and enjoy, like um.... the phonograph, without which, this forum wouldn't even be here, Yes or No? Even the very name of a well known speaker manufacture emphasizes this concept...... Paradigm! The limitations we set, are the limitations we receive.

The opinions I express are mine and mine alone, but I do not limit myself to thinking within the constraints of the norm.

And BTW, two 38's stacked on top of each other look killer on my 24 inch black stands. Grills on or off.

Terry.

VR3

Well said Terry!

The Stacked combo does look sweet. I agree!

VR3

BTW - I will continue to post my thoughts on this subject. I mean, its speakers. This is the speakers section. I could understand if it was like.....electronics of something. But this is speakers. Topics on speakers go here!

scottvamp

I did the whole stacking thing over a year ago with my rt35's and my rt1000p's and posted my findings on this forum - nothing new.
By the way you can also add extra speakers to your center channel -

Gary Robertson

The crutial midrange is most always great on the 35's

TroyD

Someone PLEASE pull the plug on this.

DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!

BDT

bigsexy1

"The D'Appolito design is a bipolar design, if I recall,"


No, it has nothing to do with bipolar. It's simply a tweeter vertically sandwiched between 2 woofers or mids.

Although a bipolar speaker can have front and back D'Appolito configurations, as does most Def Techs.

VR3

Originally posted by TroyD
Someone PLEASE pull the plug on this.

DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!

BDT

Why, are you afraid it may go somewhere?

faster100

5 pages later, someone is interested! Huh,

that's like saying stop talking about carver amps and old speakers.. if this floats his boat.. and people are talking in the thread, **** let it fly...

have fun....