Star Trek - **SPOILERS**

I'm glad there's a new storyline and that the film did not try to copy that. We need new, not remade TV show's and movies. I hope these go in a completely different direction and they don't remake the existing films, or TV shows.

polkatese wrote: »

Is the romance between Spock and Uhura in the original? I didn't recall that they ever had a fling in the original.

Can't wait who will play the new Khan next.

this bothered me too.. I don't know if was in the original either. but to me it didn't really make sense for them to be hooking up like that. I guess like in all movies released today.. they have to have at least one hook up/romantic fling.

I still didn't care for it.. it seemed out of place.

I thought in this movie that Vulcan did get destroyed. Did it not? Did I miss something?

I too was bothered by many aspects of this film. The Spock/Uhura debacle being the least of them. Captain Pike was not treated fairly as in the original backstory, Kirk came to command Enetrprise after Pike was nearly killed, and after serving him for several years. The history of the Iconic series seems to have been completely obliterated. I can accept that time travel has become part of ST lore, but as used in this film, everything we have come to know has been destroyed or called into question. The destruction of Vulcan by the Romulans will undoubtedly lead to some future conflict. The assention of Kirk to the rank of Captain before completion of Starfleet Academy is ludicrous, and serves to undermine the entire premise of the original series beginnings.

I agree the movie was well done, but it has utterely destroyed the foundations upon which the original series was based and undermines the credibility of STNG and the movies that were made prior to the current film

I am just sayin' Ron...he he he.

Star Trek has made numerous mentions to different realities. I.E. time is not linear, but has many branches depending on choices etc (this is the reason why there are no worries about altering the timeline when Old Spock talked to new Spock

a number of TNG episodes dealt with this, and this new movie cunningly used it to refresh the franchise and still retain as much loyalty as possible to the source material as possible in accomplishing that goal.


no result will be perfect when your trying to inject life into a franchise that really needed it, I gotta say that they did a heck of a job doing so. yeah, some things will be different, but this storyline has earned a fan in me, and I've loved Star Trek for a while


be less detail oriented and enjoy it for what it is.

Nice find millerman, Cloverfield rocks and I really want a part 2 to drop. Back on topic I think that the altered reality storyline in star trek works out perfect, it leaves room for new stories. I think some fans are made because they want to see their favorite stories retold but with the new effects of today, but that would just be rehashes of what were already done.

The Spock/Uhura thing works for me. She fell for her instructor which was implied by him not wanting to show favoritism so he did not initially assign her to the Enterprise. Only after she confronted him did he change the assignment. I'm glad they did not bog the storyline down by going into depth about it. SMOKIN hot chick dates brainy guy instead of a rebel like Kirk which frees up Kirk to romp with every female in the universe.

I like the time travel/reboot. This was a dead, billion dollar franchise that had such little hope that Paramount sold all of the Star Trek props via Christies auction. If JJ Abrams went with a prequel like the Enterprise TV series, we would see a Star Trek tombstone right next to Star Wars 1, 2, and 3. Now, unencumbered by all the TV shows, movies, video games, and books, they can do whatever they want.

Finally, I got my rapid fire phaser. NCC1701D fired so slowly I'm surprise anybody ever got hit.

Is it me or did you guys notice what an awesome job ILM did with the f/x compared to Revenge of the Sith?

Maybe JJ will redo Star Wars 1, 2, and 3...

I forgot to ask, was that Kumar (Kal Penn) on the bridge??? I could have sworn I saw him for 1/2 a second.

nevermind.. my bad.. just ignore me for the rest of the day.

But for those of us that love this show its almost blasphemous to just erase what was supposed to have happend during the series.

Again, they didn't 'erase' anything. Everything that you know and love that has happened is still there and still 100% valid, we're just in an alternate timeline here, it's really that simple.

If you don't like the alternate reality vehicle for preserving the original story line while at the same time opening things up for a new story line but using our same favorite characters, then just say so.

There's actually an argument that can be made against the use of the alternate timeline thing, in that it's a cheap and effortless way to get the job done. I don't happen to agree with that, but can at least see the reasoning behind that. But to say they've erased the original story just doesn't make sense to me.

Keiko wrote: »

^^^ +1...What AsSiMiLaTeD said. I don't mind the fact however that they used the alternate timeline/universe thing. Remember ToS episode Mirror, Mirror? Spock had that cool gotee. Look at it from that perspective. Alternate realities were even hinted upon in other episodes of Next Gen and Voyager. Classic :cool:

Live Long and Prosper ST.

+2
I think it's brilliant how they used the alternate reality. Everything is now changed, and the future could go anywhere.

Bring on the next one!

There is no buzz and I hope it stays that way, keep this new Trek a movie only franchise, the TV Treks killed Star Trek.

MacLeod wrote: »

Yeah I caught that too and elbowed my wife who could barely rememer what Cloverfield was. Im such a geek.

I wasnt crazy about the Spock/Uhura thing either. Not for any reason other than it just looked weird. Youve got this smokin and I mean SMOKIN hot chick playing Uhura and a lifeless looking Spock. It just didnt have any chemistry IMO.

Speaking as a female, I must say I found Spock to be very attractive in this movie due to his human vunerability which was played upon. And the Spock/Uhura relationship was very romantic. Especially the scene in which she consols him in the elevator. I found there to be ALOT of chemistry and it put Spock in a whole new light. Yes, I found it very sexy....And a complete surprise.

I liked the overall story and the ACTION. But the sloppy, lazy writing was inexcusable. I refused to read any reviews about the movie prior to seeing it because I am a huge ST Original Series fan and I didn't want any spoilers. The following diminished my enjoyment of the film:

1. TIME TRAVEL! If I had known this overused, cliche, plot device was going to be the foundation of the film, I would have skipped it. I hate time travel stories. It is indicative of junior high school level writing skills.

2. Engaging warp drive inside a solar system. Warp drive works by folding space-time in on itself similar to the way an accordion bellows folds. This causes a contraction of distance. Because of this space-time folding, warp drive is not safe to be engaged INSIDE a solar system because space time would have to be UNFOLDED precisely in order to maintain the orbital realationships of the planets and star. Also, the pre-existing warps in space-time caused by the gravity wells of the planets and their star would make engaging warp drive inside a solar system a difficult to impossible, depending on the size of the star.

3. The DRILL. Vulcan and Earth are attacked by a giant drill. Both planets are populated by advanced technological civilizations with advanced planetary defenses. In Vulcan's case, they needed three Star Fleet heroes to come from across the galaxy to shut down the drill. I assume the Vulcans were cowering in fear and could not send someone out to cut the drill's umbilical cable. The same must have been true for Earth.

4. Nero's ship sails into Vulcan and Earth space without challenge. I recall how, in the "Star Trek: First Contact", the invading Borg ship was overwhelmed by a Star Fleet armada and destroyed. It is doubtful that the Romulan ship, however advanced, could have fought off a similar Star Fleet armada.

5. Kirk leaves the Enterprise and leaves 17 year old boy genious Pavel Checkov in charge. ("Mr. Checkov, you have the CON." CON is short for CO-CON, which is short for Commanding Officer's-CONsole.)

6. Star's take a very long time to go nova: hundreds of years at a minimum. It is not reasonable that an advanced civilization like the Romulans, with warp drive capability, would not be aware of their star's impending death and would not make plans for a leisurely evacuation over several centuries.

7. Rumulans allowing a Vulcan to rescue them. Considering the enmity between Romulans and Vulcans, it is doubtful that their warrior's pride would have allowed them to be "rescued" by a Vulcan, whom they considered to be "weak" because Vulcans abandoned the philosophies of warfare, conquest and empire building.

Notice how at the end of the film when Kirk offers rescue to Nero as Nero's ship is being consumed by red matter, Nero says that he would rather "die a thousand agonizing deaths" than accept help from Kirk. This is the sentiment of a man who was a simple employee on a mining ship. Imagine how that same sentiment would be magnified in the minds of Romulan military and government leaders.

8. Red Matter. Since the Romulan home world's star is destined for explosion and thereby the destruction of the home world, the Romulans decide to borrow some "red matter" from the Vulcans, their bitterly estranged cousins, and extinguish their star. Therefore, rather than being consumed in a super nova, the Romulans choose to freeze to death. I suppose this made better sense to the writers than just using all that advanced Romulan technology to find another planet to settle on and evacuate.

9. Starship captains offering themselves up as hostages. This is crazy and was done by both the Kelvin and Enterprise captains. A starship captain, with a head full of Federation and Star Fleet secrets, would not willingly allow himself/herself to be captured, EVEN TO SAVE HIS/HER CREW. The needs of the Federation outweigh the needs of one starship crew. A real starship captain would rather sacrifice his/her crew than allow compromising information to fall into Federation enemy hands.

10. Captain Pike going into battle with a bunch of "kids". They (the junior high schoolers who wrote the script) want me to believe that a seasoned and battle honed veteran like Pike is not going to surround himself with similarly seasoned and battle honed veterans to support him?

Things I liked:

1. This Spock is not conflicted between his human and Vulcan sides and seems to embrace his emotions...even to the point of getting himself a hot chick.

2. The action sequences.


I hope they do a much better job with plugging plot holes in the next two movies.