Sorry but I gotta post this about Toyota, it's too big to ignore

wz2p7j

Yeah, Toyota is just being railroaded by the press. There's no problems with their cars.

Chris

Yeah, right LOL

TNTsTunes

wz2p7j wrote: »

Yeah, Toyota is just being railroaded by the press. There's no problems with their cars.

Chris

Yeah, right LOL

If it was GM you would hardly know about it...

disneyjoe7

shack wrote: »

who here actually thinks an auto mfgr owned by the us govt will build a better vehicle than toyota...not me.

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wz2p7j

TNTsTunes wrote: »

If it was GM you would hardly know about it...

Yeah you are right. Thirty30 plus deaths are not newsworthy. Cover up by one of the biggest auto companies in the world. Federal indictments looming for not acting on 2500 consumer complaints of sudden acceleration. Nothing newsworthy there.

TNTsTunes

wz2p7j wrote: »

Yeah you are right. Thirty30 plus deaths are not newsworthy. Cover up by one of the biggest auto companies in the world. Federal indictments looming for not acting on 2500 consumer complaints of sudden acceleration. Nothing newsworthy there.

The federal government must have an internal issue with NHTSA since they recieve the complaints and make the manufacturer correct the issue before it gets this bad.

By the way how many people died in Ford SUV rollovers before they made it a recall???

ohskigod

TNTsTunes wrote: »

By the way how many people died in Ford SUV rollovers before they made it a recall???

the Ford SUV rollover was legit, but lets not forget that ALL suv's rollover when pressed hard enough, it's the nature of the beast. Ford did it to too much of a degree and they got tagged

cars however are not, in any way, supposed to barrel **** down a highway against the drivers will. this is a LEGIT FRIKIN RECALL kids. Toyota = fallible. they have been heading to this point for years. surprised it took this long, though it was more spectacular then I imagined.


and yes, I know TNT, all toyotas run forever, and no American cars watsoever lst more than 15000 miles without grenading an engine, sure dude....whatever. so my jeep that had 140000 miles and ran like it came from the factory when I traded it after 11 years(and I flogged the snot out of that thing) and my 1991 GMC I traded in last year (18 yrs old) for the OBAMA cash that I STILL miss because the engine kept running in spite of itself.......those must have been figments of my imagination.


take care of any car, it will take care of you. Incidentally I traded the GMC for a Nissan Cube, I love that little thing too. I'll buy a good product whoever makes it.

p.s. The Toyota MAtrix I traded because it ate breaks and chewed up tires (all 4 of them) like a fat kid eats cupcakes...that was a figment of my imagination too.

remember the Nissan Titan when it came out, with the same rotors as used in there small truck? fail....and a recall. **** car co's are in fact human and fallible

Danny Tse

I took my car, a '09 Corolla S, in yesterday to my Toyota dealer and had the recall repairs done. Looks like they replaced a metal plate in the accelerator assembly and installed some kind of braking override system. I didn't experience any mechanical problems with my Corolla before the recall and the car felt the same after the repairs.

As for the opinion that the quality of Toyota's have gone down, I have to agree. Corners were cut to meet certain price points and this can be seen in the material of the parts used. Workmanship also seem to declined as well. This is when compared to my previous car, a 2001 Toyota Camry LE. Incidentally, both cars were made here in the US. Still, overall, Toyota is still my preferred brand for cars (I also own a '08 Honda Civic LX and I'll be selling that car). I'm not a brand fanatic but I do believe Toyota's do give the best value when every factor is considered.

I hope this recall mess will have Toyota changing some of their business decisions. Its new CEO seems to be a honorable guy and knows what he's talking about. Toyota will survive and I think it will still be a force to be reckon with. In the meantime, watch out for Hyundai and Kia....

danger boy

Toyota admits to focusing on profits and not safety. wow.. do you think?

shadowofnight

ohskigod wrote: »

Incidentally I traded the GMC for a Nissan Cube, I love that little thing too.


remember the Nissan Titan when it came out, with the same rotors as used in there small truck? fail....and a recall. **** car co's are in fact human and fallible

A friend bought one of those Cubes, I sat in the passenger seat expecting to have to duck ( 6'5" ) and was amazed at the headroom in that car.

On the Titan, the rotors and pads they used for the replacements have proven bullet proof...I am pushing 90K on my Titan now and the huge rotors and metallic pads are still in perfect shape ( And they have to stop 35" tires ).

The ones that originally came on the truck were beyond junk...pads and rotors...the rotors warped so bad you thought you were going to lose fillings while braking.

danger boy

so where are all the Toyota jokes? I haven't heard a single one. if you have any jokes about Toyota.. please post them. i need a good laugh.

Ron-P

Funny thing, when it comes time for the wife to buy a new car, yep, we'll be buying Toyota.

danger boy

right now it's a public relations nightmare for Toyota.. but it'll pass... and I don't think they'll lose much business because of it.. IMHO.

but it makes you wonder how long they have been cutting corners on their cars at our expense/safety? :mad:

disneyjoe7

ohskigod wrote: »

cars however are not, in any way, supposed to barrel **** down a highway against the drivers will. this is a LEGIT FRIKIN RECALL kids. Toyota = fallible. they have been heading to this point for years. surprised it took this long, though it was more spectacular then I imagined.

Perhaps we should look at the LEGIT FRIKEN IDIOT's whom drive and can't figure out to turn off engine, place in neutral, a lower gear or anything but.... hang on for dear life.

ohskigod

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Perhaps we should look at the LEGIT FRIKEN IDIOT's whom drive and can't figure out to turn off engine, place in neutral, a lower gear or anything but.... hang on for dear life.

I hear your point, and there is validity to it, but cmon man.....a car shouldnt do that. it is literally one of the worse things a car can do. remember the Audi issue from the late 80's i believe? same thing though not nearly as widespread.

Toyota will emerge from this, they will learn there very hard lesson, taking some SERIOUS lumps along the way. they will emerge stronger.


Shadow,

the amount of room in the cube is frikkin ridiculous isnt it? I am 6' 300 lbs and am more comfortable in this car than most to all mid size cars I have driven. in recent memory, only my full size pick up felt roomier.

shack

ohskigod wrote:

I hear your point, and there is validity to it, but cmon man.....a car shouldnt do that. it is literally one of the worse things a car can do. remember the Audi issue from the late 80's i believe? same thing though not nearly as widespread.

Problem is...it appears the claims against Audi were bogus according to the NHTSA and their Canadian counterpart.

During model years 1982-1987, Audi issued a series of recalls of Audi 5000 models associated with reported incidents of sudden unintended acceleration linked to six deaths and 700 accidents. At the time, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ( NHTSA) was investigating 50 car models from 20 manufacturers for sudden surges of power.

60 Minutes aired a report titled Out of Control on November 23, 1986, featuring interviews with six people who had sued Audi after reporting unintended acceleration, including footage of an Audi 5000 ostensibly displaying a surge of acceleration while the brake pedal was depressed. Subsequent investigation revealed that 60 Minutes had not disclosed they had engineered the vehicle's behavior — fitting a canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor, linked via a hose to a hole drilled into the transmission — the arrangement executed by one of the experts who had testified on behalf of a a plaintiff in a then pending lawsuit against Audi's parent company.

Audi contended, prior to findings by outside investigators, that the problems were caused by driver error, specifically pedal misapplication. Subsequently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the majority of unintended acceleration cases, including all the ones that prompted the 60 Minutes report, were caused by driver error such as confusion of pedals. CBS did not acknowledge the test results of involved government agencies, but did acknowledge the similar results of another study.

shack

danger boy wrote:

so where are all the Toyota jokes? I haven't heard a single one. if you have any jokes about Toyota.. please post them. i need a good laugh.

- Toyota has issued a recall of 8.1 million vehicles whose faulty gas pedals could cause them to accelerate out of control. In their defense, Toyota's slogan is "Moving Forward" - they don't say anything in there about stopping,

- Critics of the automobile industry are saying that Toyota executives knew about the problems with the brakes years and years ago. And they're wondering, rightly so, why did they drag their feet?

Trying to stop the car of course.

ohskigod

I remember it being sketchy but don't remember the details. part of me remembers them bitching pedal placement caused the confusion, but that would be weak. Toyota's is a physical component from a specific vendor......that outfits ALOT of models. hence the problem.

Government conspiracies aside, the FBI raided offices for a reason. something hapenned. someone knew something about that component. at least with the Pinto the car had to be hit for something to happen..LOL, and in Ford's defense that was the 70's, the explorer thing the tire itself was as much or mostly to blame, at least in my eyes.

everyone says the government is harping for wrong reasons, I am wondering why they didnt get involved earlier......these components have had issues since the early 2000's if I am not mistaken.

ohskigod

shack wrote: »

- Toyota has issued a recall of 8.1 million vehicles whose faulty gas pedals could cause them to accelerate out of control. In their defense, Toyota's slogan is "Moving Forward" - they don't say anything in there about stopping,

.

Moving Forward.....FAST.........like it or not

braking problems? nah, nothing stops a car faster and more efficiently than colliding into a stationary object

AsSiMiLaTeD

How many freaking threads do we need on this????

I mean, seriously, for the sake of simplicity, can't we just keep it all in one thread? It makes it much easier to keep track of what everyone has to say on the subject.

nooshinjohn

After claiming the number one spot in global vehicle sales, Toyota intended to use Jefferson Starship's anthem "Nothin's Gonna Stop Us" as their new sales tagline.;)

shack

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote:

I mean, seriously, for the sake of simplicity, can't we just keep it all in one thread? It makes it much easier to keep track of what everyone has to say on the subject.

Just post in each and every one of them and turn the e-mail notification feature on and you will know when something new has posted. YOU WON'T MISS A THING!

Problem solved.

AsSiMiLaTeD

Oh, and I don't understand how ANYONE cannot see the conflict of interest from the government here, this is EXACTLY why the government should not be directly involved in owning or operating business in the private sector.

Whether or not the gubment is intentionally piling on Toyota is debatable. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist (I still believe that Lee harvey shot JFK), but I do believe that there's definitely more to their 'investigation' than the average person thinks, but again, that can be argued either way.

What can't be argued, however, and what's really at issue here, is the fact that a conflict of interest does indeed exist, and that the QUESTION of integrity around the investigation is absolutely fair. If the government didn't have a competing interest with GM, then that question becomes less valid.

Note that I'm not denying any wrongdoing by Toyota, I'm merely challenging the position from which the gubment is conducting this investigation. My main point here is that situations like this are exactly why the government shouldn't be owning a company like GM.

nooshinjohn

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Whether or not the gubment is intentionally piling on Toyota is debatable. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist (I still believe that Lee harvey shot JFK), but I do believe that there's definitely more to their 'investigation' than the average person thinks, but again, that can be argued either way.

Oswald was a patsy...

shadowofnight

They are getting back at us for WW II, they were supposed to all go full throttle at once...but some higher ups tried to save a buck and hired an american company to make the throttle assemblies.

They figured using Mitsubishi ( Zero manufacturer ) , would have been too obvious.

bigaudiofanatic

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

They build a good product, no one 100%. I like to see GM walk on the same path but I doubt they will ever be on the same carpet.

Could not agree more. I still say with all this they will bounce back.

brettw22

Regardless of the Gov'ts stake in GM, this is a safety issue period. If they had zero stake in GM, they would still be addressing this as is and if you're gonna **** about the fact that they're involved, then be consistent at it..........people who would usually **** about not being involved are the same one's now bitching about actually being involved........it's getting old people.

concealer404

ohskigod wrote: »

the Ford SUV rollover was legit, but lets not forget that ALL suv's rollover when pressed hard enough, it's the nature of the beast. Ford did it to too much of a degree and they got tagged

How is a recall based on a ROLLOVER more legit than this? I guess i follow a different line of thinking than most people here....

I say it again... ALL companies make crap, and they still do. I can't stand Toyota's current line-up either, and i freaking hate their cars lately, so i've got no dog in this fight. I hate all new cars.

The main reason why i hope Toyotas pulls out of this is because they have a MUCH bigger impact on our economy than most of you would have us believe.

GM's issue have all but destroyed Michigan. You want to see what happens when toyota leaves the US? Go for it. I'll be sure to GTFO pretty quickly, because i won't stick around for it.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I agree Brett, and they should be investigating this. I'm not saying the government in GM necessarily means there is a conspiracy to their investigation of Toyota, I'm saying it raises the questions.

To make my point another way, I'm not criticizing the government investigation of Toyota, I'm criticizing their competition in the private sector and ownership of GM.

If they didn't have a dog in this fight, then nobody would be asking the question or claiming conspiracy, that's my point.

concealer404

Oh no, on a certain level, we ALL have a dog in this fight, and we should ALL be rooting for GM.

markmarc

brettw22 wrote: »

Regardless of the Gov'ts stake in GM, this is a safety issue period. If they had zero stake in GM, they would still be addressing this as is and if you're gonna **** about the fact that they're involved, then be consistent at it..........people who would usually **** about not being involved are the same one's now bitching about actually being involved........it's getting old people.

Amen Brett.