So your wondering about Power Cords?

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited May 2010
    Face wrote: »
    Except for the Nova(DAC), the biggest difference from from the Icon(headphone DAC/AMP). IMO, it appears that components with weak power supplies are those most affected by aftermarket PC's. I don't recall hearing a difference with my old Pass F5 clone.

    I can certainly agree with that logic and perhaps I jumped the gun with the dac mods so close to me replacing power cords and commenting. More experimentation is in order now that the dac is broken in. Nelson really doesn't recommend high dollar/special PC's, says they are unnecessary with his amps, but we are free to use them if we like.

    I may take it out and put it on the office rig and evaluate.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited May 2010
    Well, guess it is past time for me to move these to the next Polkie. Review to follow soon and let me know who to ship these to next.
    Thanks for the demo!!!
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited May 2010
    Can I just keep them? (just kidding)

    SignalCable just seems to do everything the correct way. Their cost is perfect for a guy like me, and performance and quality always impress.

    The digital cable made a slight improvement in picture quality to my Pioneer Plasma. Enough to bring a smile to my face and that is all I need.
    No doubt I will get some of these in the near future...

    Somebody PM me shipping information for the next in line.

    Thanks again McLoki for your gracious offer!
    Eric.
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  • PerfectCreature
    PerfectCreature Posts: 1,456
    edited May 2010
    I wouldn't mind trying it out. Since I need to look into purchasing a new one anyway.
    Receiver
    Harman Kardon HK 3490
    Speakers
    Polk Audio Monitor 50s
    Subwoofer
    Klipsch KSW-100
    Cables
    AudioQuest Rocket 33s 10ft
    AudioQuest Optilink1 2m
    AudioQuest Alpha-Snake 25ft Interconnect
    AudioQuest HDMI-1 2m

    Alienware X51 R2
    PS4
    Samsung Smart TV 40" 1080p 3D
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited May 2010
    ok - back into the fray - who has the cables now?

    Big Dawg was next in line and I have his shipping info if you have not gotten it yet.

    Just let me know.
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited May 2010
    I need the shipping info for Big Dawg. Just PM me and I'll ship them tomorrow or Monday.
    Thanks!
    Eric.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited May 2010
    PM Sent.

    So, what did you think? make a difference? Worth the price to upgrade to them? Inquiring minds want to know.....


    Dawg - you should get the cables next week.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited May 2010
    I have already owned some of the Magic Power cords and they are perfect for the money. I really can not comment on that one this time, because I used it on my PS3 and did not do a real comparison vs. stock cord.

    But the digital cable made a nice improvement in picture quality on my Plasma. As soon as funds allow, I'm getting one. It is well worth the money.

    They make a difference and they are worth it. Period end of story!
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited June 2010
    Big Dawg, I'm shipping the cables to you tomorrow and will send a tracking # via PM.

    After watching TV tonight for the 1st time in a few weeks with the stock power cable back on my Plasma, now is when I can REALLY tell a difference. It just don't look quite as good.

    Going to Agon now to buy a power cord...
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited June 2010
    Thanks, I received them almost a week ago. Will add them somewhere in my rig this weekend.

    Question: with 2 cables, where should I put them to experience the greatest benefit? I'm currently using "stock" power cables for everything.

    Dawg
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited June 2010
    Dawg, I would try the short one on your amp and the digital cable on your source.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    Big Dawg wrote: »
    Thanks, I received them almost a week ago. Will add them somewhere in my rig this weekend.

    Question: with 2 cables, where should I put them to experience the greatest benefit? I'm currently using "stock" power cables for everything.

    Dawg

    Yo Bro. Sources first is the best mantra for power cables IMHO.
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited June 2010
    Conradicles wrote: »
    Dawg, I would try the short one on your amp and the digital cable on your source.

    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Yo Bro. Sources first is the best mantra for power cables IMHO.

    So, by source, does that mean transport or DAC?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2010
    Dac.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    Big Dawg wrote: »
    So, by source, does that mean transport or DAC?
    Face wrote: »
    Dac.

    Definitely DAC. IMHO I think the transport would gain better improvements from really good isolation but if you like what the power cable does for the DAC I would consider one for the transport too.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited June 2010
    LuSh wrote: »
    Ummm, try source first. Not many will hear the differences between power sources.

    Somewhat agree with your statement however recently I put a new pair of power cables on some tube monoblocks and got an incredible change of sound. Depends on the system I'm sure.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited June 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    Somewhat agree with your statement however recently I put a new pair of power cables on some tube monoblocks and got an incredible change of sound. Depends on the system I'm sure.

    I know what you mean Chuck. When I put a Signal Cable Magic Power cord on my Spectral preamp outboard power supply, I couldn't believe, what was already a very very low noise floor, went to blackness. I got that cable as a gift so there was no placebo effect to be had. Of course I switched back and forth between the stock and SC and was pleasently surprised each time.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited June 2010
    On my Pass clone and W4S amps, I hardly heard a difference when swapping power cords. In fact, I prefer the stock W4S cord over the Signal and PS Audio cables I tried. I believe the beefier the PS section, the less of a difference from swapping PC's. On my Peachtree Nova, the difference in low end was so obvious even a deaf person could feel it.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2010
    Well, its been almost 2 months - ready to send it on to the next in line Dawg??

    Zitro and BlueFox - PM your contact info to me.
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • praedet
    praedet Posts: 314
    edited July 2010
    Was wondering where these were...
    HT: Ninja Master LSi9s, Ninja Master LSiC, Slightly Modded LSiFXs, Modded LSi7s, Outlaw LFM-1 EX and Polk PSW125
    Outlaw 970 Preamp, Outlaw 7700 Amp, Velodyne SMS-1, Oppo BDP-83,
    2 APC H-15s and a Panamax 5400 for good measure ;)
    Stereo: DIY Alix Music Server, DODD Audio Battery Tube Buffer, Modded DAC-60 and MF V-Link (for now), DIY Silver ICs, Battery Powered Class D SDS-254 Amp, and GR-Research N2X Speakers
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited July 2010
    Well I put a power cord from the wall to my power conditioner one from my amp to the power conditioner , and one from my CDP as well. and it was so night and day that I ordered new Power cables for the rest of my rig. I don't care if there is any more improvement or not. But the stock cables have to go.

    I now know what the blacks are blacker means...
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited July 2010
    Yes, I guess I'm overdue to move these along. Please let me know who's next in line and where to send them, and I will get them out within the next week.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2010
    My fault - I had heard from both Zitro and BlueFox that they wanted to be skipped a while back and did not remember until I was just cleaning out my inbox and came across their messages.....


    TNRabbit or Praedet you are up, send me your info please.
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited July 2010
    McLoki wrote: »
    No word from Zitro or BlueFox:

    TNRabbit or Praedet you are up, send me your info please.


    I am willing to step up and give them a good home until they show up.:D:p
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I am willing to step up and give them a good home until they show up.:D:p

    I misspoke earlier - I had heard from them earlier in the demo and forgot about it until I was just cleaning out my inbox....

    We have 2 more ready to step up. (and I am starting to miss my cables... :))
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited July 2010
    McLoki wrote: »
    My fault - I had heard from both Zitro and BlueFox that they wanted to be skipped a while back and did not remember until I was just cleaning out my inbox and came across their messages.....


    TNRabbit or Praedet you are up, send me your info please.

    Given the goat-rope I experienced with the MIT interconnects, I'm going to remove myself from this opportunity. Thank you~

    :(
    TNRabbit
    NO Polk Audio Equipment :eek:
    Sunfire TG-IV
    Ashly 1001 Active Crossover
    Rane PEQ-15 Parametric Equalizers x 2
    Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature Seven
    Carver AL-III Speakers
    Klipsch RT-12d Subwoofer
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited July 2010
    so does this mean I have to hold on to them a little longer? :)
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  • Ric5811
    Ric5811 Posts: 400
    edited July 2010
    Wouldn't mind getting in on this, don't know where the best place to test them is though with my system. The Carver doesn't have a removable power cord. The Belkin has a power cord thick as a fire hose!
    So I guess maybe the Oppo and my TV? Maybe projector? The Arcam?
    Polk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center
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  • praedet
    praedet Posts: 314
    edited July 2010
    Sent...
    HT: Ninja Master LSi9s, Ninja Master LSiC, Slightly Modded LSiFXs, Modded LSi7s, Outlaw LFM-1 EX and Polk PSW125
    Outlaw 970 Preamp, Outlaw 7700 Amp, Velodyne SMS-1, Oppo BDP-83,
    2 APC H-15s and a Panamax 5400 for good measure ;)
    Stereo: DIY Alix Music Server, DODD Audio Battery Tube Buffer, Modded DAC-60 and MF V-Link (for now), DIY Silver ICs, Battery Powered Class D SDS-254 Amp, and GR-Research N2X Speakers
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2010
    Ric5811 wrote: »
    Wouldn't mind getting in on this, don't know where the best place to test them is though with my system. The Carver doesn't have a removable power cord. The Belkin has a power cord thick as a fire hose!
    So I guess maybe the Oppo and my TV? Maybe projector? The Arcam?

    I would start with a source. In my experience with PCs they have the greatest effect in this order, source, preamp then amp. As far as your projector goes I would imagine it would make the projection crisper.
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