Major Upgrade My 2 Channel System

AudioFilet

hearingimpared wrote: »

Which platter do you have on it?

BTW a better reflex clamp other than what comes with the MMF5.1 will make a big improvement also. If you have the coin I highly recommend the following;

http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/36249/Clearaudio-Twister_Clamp-Record_Mats_and_Clamps

If you decide to get it I can send you some delrin shims that will improve and stregthen the reflex action and it will wow you on depth of bass response, lowering the noise floor thus improving imaging, inner detail, bloom and decay etc.

It has the stock platter on it. I was unaware of a platter upgrade.

As for the clamp, coin is no problem there, but it's backordered. What is a "reflex clamp" & how does it work?

hearingimpared

AudioFilet wrote: »

It has the stock platter on it. I was unaware of a platter upgrade.

Is it glass or acrylic?

AudioFilet wrote: »

As for the clamp, coin is no problem there, but it's backordered. What is a "reflex clamp" & how does it work?

You can get that clamp from;

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CLTWICL

or

http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Twister

I believe both have them in stock.

A reflex clamp forces the record to make intimate contact with the platter from the label all the way out to the lead in bead. With the shims I told you about it literally forces the record (safely) to take the shape of the platter thus removing warps and causing mucho damping in that the stylus sees an inch thick platter instead of a thin record. It dampens stylus vibrations, footfalls as well as airborne vibrations. This clamp has a delrin base. Delrin is a first cousin to the vinyl used in records and is a better impedance match than any other material thus improving the dampening power even better. With the shims, you have the versatility to use different thicknesses to remove stubborn warps or provide more down pressure needed on 180 & 200 gm records.

If you have an acrylic platter you will get even more damping improvement as vinyl, acrylic and delrin are all first cousins and have less impedance interacting with each other.

Don't just take my word for it, post a new thread about reflex clamps and you will see how many people use them and how effective they are. They dramatically improve the sound of your turntable.

Hope this helps.

hearingimpared

BlueFox wrote: »

Damn. That sounds like something Pierre would say.

http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/products.asp?dept=117

I found that out in 1984 when I researched and developed my own clamp and sold hundreds over the years. I think Pierre stole my mantra!:D

hearingimpared

BlueFox wrote: »

That inglorious basterd!!!

LMAO!!! I think the whole concept of impedance matching vinyl has been around for a long, long time. That's why a lot of TT manufacturers went with acrylic and delrin platters and some form of delrin/acrylic hybrids on their clamps in the late '70s - early '80s.

The same goes for brass having a better impedance match to stainless steel. That's why I used a brass collet in my clamp vs a stainless steel collet which just reflected the vibrations back to the record out to the stylus. Brass also has excellent dampening properties as you well know.

AudioFilet

hearingimpared wrote: »

Is it glass or acrylic?

A reflex clamp forces the record to make intimate contact with the platter from the label all the way out to the lead in bead. With the shims I told you about it literally forces the record (safely) to take the shape of the platter thus removing warps and causing mucho damping in that the stylus sees an inch thick platter instead of a thin record. It dampens stylus vibrations, footfalls as well as airborne vibrations. This clamp has a delrin base. Delrin is a first cousin to the vinyl used in records and is a better impedance match than any other material thus improving the dampening power even better. With the shims, you have the versatility to use different thicknesses to remove stubborn warps or provide more down pressure needed on 180 & 200 gm records.

If you have an acrylic platter you will get even more damping improvement as vinyl, acrylic and delrin are all first cousins and have less impedance interacting with each other.

Don't just take my word for it, post a new thread about reflex clamps and you will see how many people use them and how effective they are. They dramatically improve the sound of your turntable.

Hope this helps.

Wow. Never knew any of that.

The platter on this thing appears to be metal of some sort. The spindle is about an inch high, and is threaded on the end for the clamp that comes with it. This platter rests on top of a "sub-platter" (probably delrin, acrylic, or something along those lines). The drive belt goes around this "sub-platter" and the motor spindle. The specs for the TT say the platter is "dynamically balanced alloy". Will that clamp work with this thing??

AudioFilet

There is an acrylic platter upgrade for this TT. Thing is, most indications are that you normally use an acrylic platter without a mat. True?

hearingimpared

AudioFilet wrote: »

Wow. Never knew any of that.

The platter on this thing appears to be metal of some sort. The spindle is about an inch high, and is threaded on the end for the clamp that comes with it. This platter rests on top of a "sub-platter" (probably delrin, acrylic, or something along those lines). The drive belt goes around this "sub-platter" and the motor spindle. The specs for the TT say the platter is "dynamically balanced alloy". Will that clamp work with this thing??

Yes it will.

hearingimpared

AudioFilet wrote: »

There is an acrylic platter upgrade for this TT. Thing is, most indications are that you normally use an acrylic platter without a mat. True?

That is very true. I would look into the acrylic upgrade as it will really improve the sound of the table even more in that you will be coupling the record directly to the platter. Plus acrylic is very easy to maintain. Harry Weisfeld, owner of VPI, recommends using plain Windex on his delrin & acrylic platters. That's what I use on mine . . . no muss, no fuss, no residue.

You can always resell the Herbie's mat here as people are always asking about it and it is a very good mat.

george daniel

Hey Joe,, where you goin' with that clamp in your hand?

Seriously,, for my education please give me your personal opinion/rating--the Clearaudio twister,,or the VPI stainless/delrin clamp for a VPI scout,please sir.

hearingimpared

george daniel wrote: »

Hey Joe,, where you goin' with that clamp in your hand?

Seriously,, for my education please give me your personal opinion/rating--the Clearaudio twister,,or the VPI stainless/delrin clamp for a VPI scout,please sir.

George, I would go with the Twister clamp as you have more control over the down pressure and adjustment for warp removal and better intimate contact with the platter. With the VPI you're simply **** it down and frankly screw down clamps don't work as well as a clamp with a grabbing collet. The collet pulls up on the spindle while the twist top exerts down pressure on the base so you get a two fold action. Plus IIRC the Twister clamp has more delrin mass to it than the VPI. You know how much I love VPI products but in this case the Clearaudio Twister is better choice and uses the same basic principles that my clamp was designed to do. Plus you get better impedance matching with the delrin base to record and the brass collet to stainless steel spindle.

heiney9

Audiofilet, listen to Hearingimpaired he really knows what he's talking about when it come to vinyl and the TT clamp. Huge improvements can be gained by using an excellent clamp, platter and mat, etc.

H9

hearingimpared

Thanks for the kind words Brock. I'm humbled by your confidence.