Apple Snow Leopard and new Magic Mouse.

Demiurge

mantis wrote: »

This is what I don't understand. If I'm happy with a product , I'm an Annoying fanboy. Why is that? Why does it bother you personally to the point of it's annoying? You can simply read it and leave it. You need to reply , I don't know you , You don't know me, we can live our separate lives and never have any issues with each other.

I'm trying to understand why you personally find my happiness annoying?

I just think it's sad watching someone suck Apple's **** so hard. It would be one thing if it was just this thread, but it's not. Beyond that, your statements are irrational. You constantly bash Microsoft because you can't operate a Windows based PC without having constant problems with it.

The bulk (not all) of the problems people have with computers has to do with the pure ignorance of the user, namely piss poor web browsing habits. Apple products, by and large, are idiot proof. I get the allure of them from that perspective.

Buy whatever makes you happy. The issue is you say a bunch of things to incite reaction and then are all aghast that you get a response. Funny stuff, dood.

Demiurge

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Demi, to your question, as I've already indicated, yes I've tried it, it doesn't work. I've tried a virtual machine and bootcamp on a friends PC and could never get it to work right. Again, if anyone has any evidence or experience to the contrary, or can give me some pointers I'd appreciate, because he has a Mac and is dying to play some games.

I have a MacBook Pro and I use Boot Camp to play PC games which works just fine. I'm not sure what pointers one could give other than to use it...

Anywho, I didn't buy my Mac to game on, but since it's portable it's nice that it can play games when I'm bored and not around a console or my Windows based PCs. Is it going to be the latest and greatest gaming computer? No, but then again neither are any of the PCs most of you are running.

If you only want to game and use the internet, get a PC. If you want to take advantage of superior design programs, video and music editing, get a Mac...or....just get both. The Adobe Design Suite sucked on my PC. Thankfully Adobe allowed me to switch to the OS version of that software package free of charge. It's a much better experience.

Demiurge

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

If he wants to be a pc user let him. He will relies one day how much he has spent on upgrades, OS, repairs and so on. I know that even though I know how to work on pc's I just want my stuff to work and not have any problems or worry about getting infected by a computer that I might be working on. Macs have started to be issued even in businesses for field users. I know that more people are starting to realize that it is worth it to pay a little more. Also for the thing about viruses not many people at all know how to write viruses for unix so it would be difficult for that to become a big problem.

lol...do you wonder why you've earned the nickname meat?



You're an idiot.

Pauly

Windows 7 and bootcamp

http://modmyi.com/forums/mac-news/689527-boot-camp-support-windows-mac-um-soon-unless.html


Pauly

bigaudiofanatic

Not an idiot, just know the industry is changing, and you own a mac anyway so what is the problem?

Also I understand that both macs and pc's have there place and some will not be able to replace the other.

Demiurge

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Not an idiot, just know the industry is changing, and you own a mac anyway so what is the problem?

Also I understand that both macs and pc's have there place and some will not be able to replace the other.

So you weren't insinuating in your post that since I don't fall all over myself to bash Microsoft and Windows based PCs that I don't own or use Macs?

bigaudiofanatic

LOL not at all. I mean yes Microsoft has had more problems in the past 4 years and maybe that has made mac look better but still as I said they both have there pros and cons.

SKsolutions

What is a Mac?

bigaudiofanatic

SKsolutions wrote: »

What is a Mac?

lol :rolleyes:

Jstas

Heh. What does a 20-something college kid know about "the industry"?

I work in the industry. I've worked for large companies whose policies and practices guide industry standards.

Macs may be big for the great unwashed masses who cannot fully understand the power and capability a computer of any kind provides them but the business world, especially engineering and finance, are firmly entrenched in the Windows/UNIX environments. Why? 'Cause UNIX has horsepower and Windows while out of the box, doesn't play well with others, it can be beaten until morale improves and outside influences are allowed to work with the OS.

The industry has not and will not be adopting Macs as the standard any time soon. If you work in IT and believe that then I really pity the company you work for because they really don't know what they got themselves in to.



If you want a OS that is about as secure as secure can get in this day and age, Solaris. There are other UNIX version like HP-UX and BSD that are equally secure and supported but Sun Microsystem's Solaris is the only one that comes in several flavors for running on multiple platforms at multiple bit levels and is 100% free. It runs good on most stuff and runs great on Sun hardware. The hardware is a bit pricey but you can get an older SPARC based system and load a SPARC kernel wrapped version on the system. You can't necessarily run Windows stuff on it but there are Java based virtual machines for Solaris that will let you run a Windows environment.

UNIX rules all. Windows owns all. MacOS isn't really UNIX. MacOS is based on Linux which, after all the permutations, isn't really a flavor of UNIX anymore as much as it's its own species. Mac also is no where near owning all and still, as was mentioned, has less than 10% of the overall PC market.

Mac Fanboys only go on and on about Macs and the supposed superiority in an effort to justify the purchase they made because they follow the Geek Squad creed of "If it's broke and won't load safe mode, don't do work, just reload!".


I will give Apple some credit though. The xServe disk arrays are ****! I love them! they might not be called xServe anymore though. I think they are Promise VTrak or something like that? They aren't any more special than any other fibre channel array, they just made them affordable. You can get something like 27 TB for $22K now and that is a screaming deal!

Demiurge

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

LOL not at all. I mean yes Microsoft has had more problems in the past 4 years and maybe that has made mac look better but still as I said they both have there pros and cons.

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

If he wants to be a pc user let him. He will relies one day how much he has spent on upgrades, OS, repairs and so on.

Uh huh.

KrazyMofo24

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Funny how you guys read my original first post and decided to take one thing out of it to argue about, as opposed to addressing the whole thing in context.

The main reason I posted was just to give Dan a hard time because he brings the "Mac is better" diatribe to just about every Windows themed thread on here. Immature? Sure. Inappropriate? No. It's nothing personal with Dan, and it's probably not just him, but it seems like in every single Windows thread you get someone who wants to bring up the Mac discussion.

I didn't intend to start an academic debate on whether or not Macs can play games, it was just an off-the-cuff comment that someone decided to discuss further.

Demi, to your question, as I've already indicated, yes I've tried it, it doesn't work. I've tried a virtual machine and bootcamp on a friends PC and could never get it to work right. Again, if anyone has any evidence or experience to the contrary, or can give me some pointers I'd appreciate, because he has a Mac and is dying to play some games.

http://www.macworld.com/article/50238/2006/04/bootcampgames.html

Have you done any research on the video card your friend is using?

If he can't even run PC games that are released for Mac's and not dual booting then it's obvious that it's based on the specs of his particular Mac.

Jstas

You know? Now that I think about it, my current Windows based PC at home, I paid about $2200 for all the parts and assembled them way back in 2003/2004 over the Christmas 03 Holiday. Since then, I have bought 4 hard drives for it totaling about $400, a dual layer DVD burner for about $80, an extra gig of memory for $80 and a new power supply for about $90. The power supply was not because of a failure but rather because of the added peripherals were stretching the old power supply to far.

Since then though, my 1.6 GHz PC with 2 GB of SDRAM and 1.5 TB of Ultra ATA133 IDE hard drives has been rockin' hard since. Now watch, since I'm bringing it up, Murphy is going to visit me and totally trash my system. But over about 6 years now, I have spent about $2850 on my current system and just now have started thinking about upgrading. It's been in service, reliably, for 6 years and still, with all of my "upgrades, OS, repairs and so on", it has still cost me less than a new Mac. Hell, it still costs less than a comparable Mac that I could have bought 6 years ago!

I did get one virus that I couldn't get rid of but, it was an easy recovery because I imaged the system and backed it up. Took a whole 20 minutes for Acronis to push it back out.

phuz

not many people at all know how to write viruses for unix

Now THAT is effin funny. You have no idea do you.

dkg999

I like both PC's and Mac's. I have to say for a kids laptop, I'm leaning towards spending the extra for Mac. That and all of our schools have Mac's in their technology learning labs.

Jstas - I've been building UNIX based processing and EDI solutions for a long time from a product management role. I have to agree, Solaris is very solid OS and has amazing flexibility.

Demiurge

phuz wrote: »

not many people at all know how to write viruses for unix

Now THAT is effin funny. You have no idea do you.

How much longer do we have to look at this?

UnitedLayer

Jstas

phuz wrote: »

not many people at all know how to write viruses for unix

Now THAT is effin funny. You have no idea do you.

Viruses are easy to write for UNIX. The OS is pretty open but then again, that's one of it's strong suits.

The benefit to UNIX is that it's permissions system is damn near impossible to get around. That makes writing a virus ineffective unless you can somehow garner root access. There are on a very few number of ways you can do that remotely and it requires intricate knowledge of that specifc UNIX system to do it. Otherwise, one needs to gain physical access to a machine on the network to do it. But you need to be able to boot to an external resource connected to that machine and most places lock the EEPROM down with a password as well as the system. The only way to get around that is to replace the EEPROM with one that will give you the level of access you need to the system. You have to shutdown the system and take it apart to do that.

Then again, any UNIX admin worth his salt will tie network ports down by MAC address or system ID or both so that when the new EEPROM boots up on the old machine and stuff doesn't match, it cuts your network connection at the switch. That opens a whole new bag of apples.

Yeah, UNIX isn't invulnerable, it just has many less chinks in it's multiple layers of armor than any of the other alternatives.

Then there is always the security through obscurity. If I recall correctly, there have only been 3 viruses written for OS/2 Warp in the past 8 years.

got root?

phuz

Demiurge wrote: »

How much longer do we have to look at this?

UnitedLayer

I wish I knew. We've all been out of that circle for a long, long time.

I suggest bombarding Blair and everyone else with emails.

Frankly we may not see **** until a new site is unveiled. TA is dead, long live TA!

phuz

Jstas wrote: »

Viruses are easy to write for UNIX. The OS is pretty open but then again, that's one of it's strong suits.

The benefit to UNIX is that it's permissions system is damn near impossible to get around. That makes writing a virus ineffective unless you can somehow garner root access. There are on a very few number of ways you can do that remotely and it requires intricate knowledge of that specifc UNIX system to do it. Otherwise, one needs to gain physical access to a machine on the network to do it. But you need to be able to boot to an external resource connected to that machine and most places lock the EEPROM down with a password as well as the system. The only way to get around that is to replace the EEPROM with one that will give you the level of access you need to the system. You have to shutdown the system and take it apart to do that.

Then again, any UNIX admin worth his salt will tie network ports down by MAC address or system ID or both so that when the new EEPROM boots up on the old machine and stuff doesn't match, it cuts your network connection at the switch. That opens a whole new bag of apples.

Yeah, UNIX isn't invulnerable, it just has many less chinks in it's multiple layers of armor than any of the other alternatives.

Then there is always the security through obscurity. If I recall correctly, there have only been 3 viruses written for OS/2 Warp in the past 8 years.

got root?

I thought we were talking about home users dude.

Sorry but Solaris is not a home/workstation OS. It's a fine server, but it aint' gonna cut it for the majority. OSX will, Windows will, Linux will, but each and every one of them has their own positives and negatives. OS wars are stupid. I could probably root a Mac or Linux box before someone could get to anything on my Windows 7 machine. A linux user will claim he can hack the gibson and that Microsoft is evil, and mac users will still say only one button is needed on a mouse. We're all doomed I tell ya.

Demiurge

phuz wrote: »

I thought we were talking about home users dude.

Sorry but Solaris is not a home/workstation OS. It's a fine server, but it aint' gonna cut it for the majority. OSX will, Windows will, Linux will, but each and every one of them has their own positives and negatives. OS wars are stupid. I could probably root a Mac or Linux box before someone could get to anything on my Windows 7 machine. A linux user will claim he can hack the gibson and that Microsoft is evil, and mac users will still say only one button is needed on a mouse. We're all doomed I tell ya.

That's why I bought a trusty Logitech mouse for the MacBook. The Mighty Mouse sucks and so does the touch pad.

Demiurge

phuz wrote: »

I wish I knew. We've all been out of that circle for a long, long time.

I suggest bombarding Blair and everyone else with emails.

Frankly we may not see **** until a new site is unveiled. TA is dead, long live TA!

It's been all sorts of screwed up for a long time so I can't say I'd be sad if it got completely revamped.

Jstas

phuz wrote: »

I thought we were talking about home users dude.

Sorry but Solaris is not a home/workstation OS. It's a fine server, but it aint' gonna cut it for the majority. OSX will, Windows will, Linux will, but each and every one of them has their own positives and negatives. OS wars are stupid. I could probably root a Mac or Linux box before someone could get to anything on my Windows 7 machine. A linux user will claim he can hack the gibson and that Microsoft is evil, and mac users will still say only one button is needed on a mouse. We're all doomed I tell ya.

Funny, I'm using Solaris on laptops at home for people who visit and want to check email or surf the net. I don't have to worry about the systems getting infected with junk mainly because the user permissions won't let the malware go beyond the browser cache. I have the systems looking very much like Windows and most people who don't know can see a difference but just end up asking if it's "one of those new Windows versions".

Besides, 5 years ago, people were saying that Linux wasn't good for home users either but look at it now. You can say Ubuntu in mixed company and more than one person will have an idea what you are talking about.

Then again, I wasn't the person that mentioned UNIX first.

bigaudiofanatic

Jstas wrote: »

You know? Now that I think about it, my current Windows based PC at home, I paid about $2200 for all the parts and assembled them way back in 2003/2004 over the Christmas 03 Holiday. Since then, I have bought 4 hard drives for it totaling about $400, a dual layer DVD burner for about $80, an extra gig of memory for $80 and a new power supply for about $90. The power supply was not because of a failure but rather because of the added peripherals were stretching the old power supply to far.

Since then though, my 1.6 GHz PC with 2 GB of SDRAM and 1.5 TB of Ultra ATA133 IDE hard drives has been rockin' hard since. Now watch, since I'm bringing it up, Murphy is going to visit me and totally trash my system. But over about 6 years now, I have spent about $2850 on my current system and just now have started thinking about upgrading. It's been in service, reliably, for 6 years and still, with all of my "upgrades, OS, repairs and so on", it has still cost me less than a new Mac. Hell, it still costs less than a comparable Mac that I could have bought 6 years ago!

I did get one virus that I couldn't get rid of but, it was an easy recovery because I imaged the system and backed it up. Took a whole 20 minutes for Acronis to push it back out.

Thats funny my new mac book pro costs just about as much as you spent when you built it. :rolleyes:

On top of that my 5 year old powerbook g4 only had to upgrade the hard drive because it got to small for all my music and buy a 20 buck charging cable. Hmm not bad. You can harass me all you want I am going to school for this stuff and considering I have been threw 4 computer classes already I think I have the right to say I know what I am talking about.

Jstas

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Thats funny my new mac book pro costs just about as much as you spent when you built it. :rolleyes:

That's a laptop.

Mine is a desktop with multiple CD/DVD-ROM drives, a floppy drive (yes, I still use it), a ZIP drive (yes, still use that too), a media panel with ports, jacks and volume controls and an internal array of hard drives totaling just over 1.5 TB, a printer, a scanner, an external eSATA port for attaching external drives and a 22 inch LCD monitor. Show me a Mac with similar specs and I'll show you it's $4K+ price tag.

vc69

phuz wrote: »

I thought we were talking about home users dude.
We're all doomed I tell ya.

I support several platforms both server and end-user. We are definately all doomed.

phuz

vc69 wrote: »

I support several platforms both server and end-user. We are definately all doomed.

Yep. Especially since nobody can have a discussion without it turning into a pissing contest.

mantis

Lorthos wrote: »

I don't think its your happiness thats annoying, its the little jabs here and there that both pc and mac people make about each system that annoying....like this:

I'm a magic mouse, look I have no wires....its magic:)

And I don't feel angry or anything after reading this. Sounds like someone like it. Cool.

mantis

Demiurge wrote: »

I just think it's sad watching someone suck Apple's **** so hard. It would be one thing if it was just this thread, but it's not. Beyond that, your statements are irrational. You constantly bash Microsoft because you can't operate a Windows based PC without having constant problems with it.

The bulk (not all) of the problems people have with computers has to do with the pure ignorance of the user, namely piss poor web browsing habits. Apple products, by and large, are idiot proof. I get the allure of them from that perspective.

Buy whatever makes you happy. The issue is you say a bunch of things to incite reaction and then are all aghast that you get a response. Funny stuff, dood.

First off I wanna thank you for your classy comments. Nice language.
So here's how it goes. I have every single right to bash Windows. I have owned every single offering up to Vista. Then I threw in the towel. DO YOU HAVE KIDS AND A WIFE? Do you have to fix there computers for them?
Whatever , I like all my Apple products. Just like polk products , some really love there stuff , SDA rules and all that , Are they sucking stuff 2?

This thread is dead.

bigaudiofanatic

mantis wrote: »

First off I wanna thank you for your classy comments. Nice language.
So here's how it goes. I have every single right to bash Windows. I have owned every single offering up to Vista. Then I threw in the towel. DO YOU HAVE KIDS AND A WIFE? Do you have to fix there computers for them?
Whatever , I like all my Apple products. Just like polk products , some really love there stuff , SDA rules and all that , Are they sucking stuff 2?

This thread is dead.

Well SAID!

WilliamM2

You can harass me all you want I am going to school for this stuff and considering I have been threw 4 computer classes already I think I have the right to say I know what I am talking about.

Wow, four classes? Are those the same classes that taught you about motherboards having encryption to stop you from installing a new version of Windows? Or that taught you to just wipe the OS, rather than bothering to fix it? I'm impressed.