Apple Snow Leopard and new Magic Mouse.

mantis

Hello,
I got both today. I got the family pack of the software as we have 3 Mac's around the house. As usual the upgrade went smooth and very easy. NO key codes or anything like that. You put it in, it asks if you wanna Install the new software and thats it.
There really isn't any major changes. Actually when I first used it , I didn't notice anything except things seem to work a little faster. A few programs are a little different and work a little better.
So overall not that big of a deal. I guess over time I will find all the changes and have some kind of opinion. Right now the computer works like I added more memory or gave it a speed boost. So thats pretty cool.

The Magic mouse is excellent. You update your mouse software via update and it sets itself up. You can manage it yourself if you want but right out of the box it's ready to go. Removing the "ball" on the mouse was the best idea yet. When it worked , it worked great, once it got dirty , it didn't work so good anymore. You had to clean it a lot to keep it working. I didn't care for that. The older mouse was good in it's own right but this new mouse is so much better. I like the way it feels , it's response time is the best I have ever used.
It actually works more like my Macbook Pro's pad with the finger swiping and multi finger actions. This was a good idea on the Pro and now a great idea on the Magic Mouse. I actually thought before this came out it would be a god idea to sell the track pad as a mouse external for non macbook pro computers and this new mouse is as close to my dream as it gets. It's almost like Apple read my thoughts and made it for me. NICE!!!! But I'm sure when then made the track pad they already figured this is the way to go for the next mouse offerings.

I love Apple and everything they make. They don't make a crappy product anything. Everything they make is solid in it's own right. They are not perfect but it's as close as one could expect. We as a family all have Iphones and ipods. We all except my Daughter all have Mac computers , she shares my sons and my wifes but that will change as I'm planning for her 12th birthday a macbook. She doesn't have a iphone or a cell for that matter but if she is good , maybe I will get her a iphone as well.
I own a Apple Tv and I love it. It's my best sounding media center as I have several. I record all my music is Lossless and It's fantastic. I have a whole house music system and I can go into the garage which I have Polk RC85's in the wall with a Niles in wall volume control and control the apple tv with my iphone. Thats way badass. I can change Playlists basically anything I want.
We use the Airport express for steaming music which will get used less and less but it's still badass as I can choose any library in the house I want. We have a total of 5 libraries of Itunes. Now that Apple released Sharing made easy , It's not that important anymore as I can build one huge badass library for the entire family to stream anywhere anytime they want.
For Networking we use the Apple Airport Extreme with a 1t network hard drive. I have yet to have to restart it like I had to with all other routers I have used. I have used many from Linksys , D link , 3 com , etc. They all had to be rebooted as they would stop working. Once we got the apple router , this issue was gone.

So I say Apple keep up the good work , your products are stellar and I will always be a customer. You earned that.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I suppose I could come in here and start crapping on your thread like you do in basically every thread regarding anything Windows, but I just don't wanna take the time.

I'm sitting here playing some Fallout 3, good luck getting your Mac to do that!!!

Before you label me as an Apple hater, I should point out that I have 2 iphones in the house and we love them. The iPhone is BY FAR the best phone I've ever owned or interacted with, especially once I jeailbreak it and get past all the Apple App **** BS.

The iphone is nice, but I won't get fooled into thinking that just because they make a good phone that everything they touch turns to gold.

I generally despise Apple because of their business practices and because of all the rabbid fans, but I'll take my lumps for owning an iPhone because it's THAT good.

cnh

The new magic mouse looks interesting. My wife has an iphone...personally I don't like cell phones much...takes away my 'mystery'...where am I, who am I, etc.

I've used both platforms...not a fan of windows have been in XP for a while with a Dell and other laptops (IBM), etc.

Apple missed its chance to be the 'operating system' LONG ago. If they would've just lowered their prices and allowed clones there would be NO windows of any kind today and Bill Gates would be a footnote in the history of the PC..

But Apple dropped the ball big-time...and it is only with the ipod and the iphone that they saved themselves. There was a time when everyone thought there would be no more apple computers of any kind...remember those days. I do because colleges and Universities that were MAC based started to hedge their bets and switch to PCs and Windows?

I guess what I'm saying is both sides kind of mucked things up for themselves at points. And it's the consumer who paid the price...in crashes with early windows products and in overpriced merchandise from Apple.

cnh

polkatese

I've had Snow Leopard since release date. It took 2 major patches (auto-download) to the point that it didn't crash programs. Initially, there were several apps that will quits unexpectedly when launched, after the first week install. These were commons, since the chatters on www.macrumors.com indicated the same.

Having said that, I like both systems about equally, especially when corporate world out there still in the Windows domain. I just finished loading WIN7 on my WIN laptop, replacing Vista 64bit (which came preinstalled with the laptop). I tell you, no more issue with HDMI handshake to the TV. Now, it is just a matter of plugging in, and it works instantaneously. Before, I have to wait a few second, sometimes I had to adjust the sound property on the laptop or signed off and signed on cycled.

cnh, how long are you going to be in China? sounds like a fun venture, any opening?

Demiurge

Welcome to two months ago. I'm surprised there wasn't a news tag on this one. :eek:

mantis

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I suppose I could come in here and start crapping on your thread like you do in basically every thread regarding anything Windows, but I just don't wanna take the time.

I'm sitting here playing some Fallout 3, good luck getting your Mac to do that!!!

Before you label me as an Apple hater, I should point out that I have 2 iphones in the house and we love them. The iPhone is BY FAR the best phone I've ever owned or interacted with, especially once I jeailbreak it and get past all the Apple App **** BS.

The iphone is nice, but I won't get fooled into thinking that just because they make a good phone that everything they touch turns to gold.

I generally despise Apple because of their business practices and because of all the rabbid fans, but I'll take my lumps for owning an iPhone because it's THAT good.

Everyone likes what they like for a reason. If your not into Mac , thats fine, Pc can do just about everything any Mac can do. Honestly I only hate Windows because of all the problems I had with it. I have a wife , daughter and Son who all where on Windows. I spent more weekends fixing all the computers in my house it dove me insane. Constantly hearing "DAD can you come fix this?" . Once I made the switch , I have yet to hear those words. So this is the biggest reason I like Mac and Apple. Everyone here loves them. So I love them.

dudeinaroom

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I suppose I could come in here and start crapping on your thread like you do in basically every thread regarding anything Windows, but I just don't wanna take the time.

I'm sitting here playing some Fallout 3, good luck getting your Mac to do that!!!

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um.... he could. And if he has a newer Mac pro (iNTEL based) he could do it while running photoshop under Snow Leopard and the game running in Windows 7 at the same time.

cnh

polkatese wrote: »

I've had Snow Leopard since release date. It took 2 major patches (auto-download) to the point that it didn't crash programs. Initially, there were several apps that will quits unexpectedly when launched, after the first week install. These were commons, since the chatters on www.macrumors.com indicated the same.

Having said that, I like both systems about equally, especially when corporate world out there still in the Windows domain. I just finished loading WIN7 on my WIN laptop, replacing Vista 64bit (which came preinstalled with the laptop). I tell you, no more issue with HDMI handshake to the TV. Now, it is just a matter of plugging in, and it works instantaneously. Before, I have to wait a few second, sometimes I had to adjust the sound property on the laptop or signed off and signed on cycled.

cnh, how long are you going to be in China? sounds like a fun venture, any opening?

Truth be told I'm an academic on sabbatical teaching at the Chinese Academy of Sciences for the year.

However anyone who is interested in doing a gig in Beijing or other cities in China--especially if you have any English teaching background...and, we have a number of people doing that.......the pay is not great by U.S. standards...it ranges from 4500-6500 yuan/month for 11 months at most Universities...but they also provide free housing...and some health coverage. There are about 6.83 yuan to a U.S. dollar.

But food and transportation is very cheap here..so you can easily survive on that an even explore China in your off time...you'll have about a week off each semester and 5-6 weeks winter break.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I have my entire family here and I am also receiving 80 percent of my salary back in the U.S. for the year leave...Not bad!

cnh

bigaudiofanatic

Macs are the greatest my 5 year old mac powerbook g4 is still running great. I hope to retire it this christmas. I do use it in lan parties for unreal tournament 2004. I get looks when I walk in with just a mac laptop and people stare and all. But it has worked great. Also for the comment about Fallout 3 if you install windows on the new mac than it will run just fine. Many gamers are now seeing the quality of a mac and how there frame rates do not slug down after loading other stuff. They are now offering even more games for macs now a days. Macs are here to stay and they are taking over the market. I am not hijacking this thread. "If I am sorry" But you can argue it all you want the truth is that macs are selling more than pc's and they run better and you can trust them more. I have worked on computers for 12 years and just got tired of my own computer getting infected with other people malware spy ware viruses and so on. With my mac I do not worry about that stuff. As for me I laughed at people that had macs 6 years ago. Now I am a mac user and you know what I LOVE IT.

phuz

I've never tried to root a Mac. Wonder how easy it is...

[Deleted User]

Hey Mantis,

First and foremost, I myself do not hate Windows platforms. I have absolutely no problems with using it either. The thing is this: You can not expect everyone to know how to use a computer the way you do. Apparently, the vast majority do not know how to use a computer correctly, thus the problems.

I still use windows as of today for many reasons, the main one is programming. I have recommended mac based computer to those that constantly have problems, the overall complaint is price. I laugh inside and at times in their face. They have no idea what the price would be, if and when, their pc's goes bad and takes it to lets say geek squad to have it fixed. I have been the one that fixed all the problems. So much time and effort to fix the problems.

Yes, it becomes very bothersome, though I am completely efficient with windows, its just others are not. In the long run, fixing windows weekly pissed the F??k out of me. They complained about prices of mac's. Okay, I understand. Enter Ubuntu. Problem solved.

You are right, the new OS is indeed faster. It is not hardware, rather software. I have not experienced the new mighty mouse yet, but will.

Those that say Mac does not have a large market also are not the ones targeted for viruses, or whatever, have no clue what they are talking about. Vista requires permission for many things. A copy of what Unix based systems are, except, platforms are so very different. Those that do not understand, do not know they do not understand.

Halen

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I must add, I have no affiliation to geek squad or any other repair places for windows. I hate windows, for fixing them for so many damn friends for so many damn years.

bigaudiofanatic

halenhoang wrote: »

I must add, I have no affiliation to geek squad or any other repair places for windows. I hate windows, for fixing them for so many damn friends for so many damn years.

I am right there with you, been doing it so long and that is why I personally went to mac along with other reasons. Because I never have to work on them.:D

greg2350

Mac PC have them both love them both for thier own reasons. If mac was the dominent OS then we would be screaming about how macs have so many viruses and malware and windows doesnt. What bothers me is the attitude of mac users who think that its impossible for a mac to get a virus or malware. It can be done seen it a friend of mine wrote a virus for mac just to show it can be done. I actually like the fact that windows can get viruses and malware its what pays my bills.:)

[Deleted User]

greg2350 wrote: »

Mac PC have them both love them both for thier own reasons. If mac was the dominent OS then we would be screaming about how macs have so many viruses and malware and windows doesnt. What bothers me is the attitude of mac users who think that its impossible for a mac to get a virus or malware. It can be done seen it a friend of mine wrote a virus for mac just to show it can be done. I actually like the fact that windows can get viruses and malware its what pays my bills.:)

I want to meet your friend. Infect me.

I do agree with you about weak points of either platform. I am not solely a supporter of mac, I just hate repairing windows, weekly.

[Deleted User]

It seems we are in the same part of town, lets meet up and see what kind of damage can be done. I am interested in knowing.

vc69

phuz wrote: »

I've never tried to root a Mac. Wonder how easy it is...

Not too hard. It is software after all.

Bang on any OS and it will eventually let you in.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Root-exploit-for-Mac-OS-X-741169.html


ZDnet report (long **** url)

greg2350

halenhoang wrote: »

It seems we are in the same part of town, lets meet up and see what kind of damage can be done. I am interested in knowing.

He works for mcafee up in plano brillient guy I dont think he would show me the interworkings of it. I dont think it was a virus that would render the machine useless if I remember correctly it was a trojan he put it on a macbook and showed me how he could connect to the mac and steal passwords and other info. I would have to ask him it was about a year ago.

WilliamM2

But you can argue it all you want the truth is that macs are selling more than pc's and they run better and you can trust them more.

Selling better than PC's, yet still only have 5.26% market share? I love your posts on computers.

dudeinaroom

Apple even admits that the mac OSes are not virus proof, Just a lot less likely to get a virus. Most viruses are aimed at Windows OSes, and are made buy people that are just dumb and want to cause havoc, or those who have some kind of problem with Micro$oft. Some are even people trying to get your Passwords, banking info, soc. number, Etc...
I have not owned a mac but do understand a lot about them. As far as ubuntu goes it's not bad either, but it is not meant for the average every day user. Crap, I still can not get it to install on my amd xp 64 machine even after 2 major version changes.
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orry for the thread jack.

Later,
dude

AsSiMiLaTeD

dudeinaroom wrote: »

um.... he could. And if he has a newer Mac pro (iNTEL based) he could do it while running photoshop under Snow Leopard and the game running in Windows 7 at the same time.

Um, no he couldn't, unless you're talking about some kind of hack that the Apple **** wouldn't support. If you're talking about Virtual machine, then no it won't work, at least not to the point where it runs well enough to enjoy. Apple will tell you that you can run Windows software, which is true for the most part, but this doesn't apply really to graphically intense games like Fallout 3 and Crysis. I've tried, it's just not playable..

KrazyMofo24

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Um, no he couldn't, unless you're talking about some kind of hack that the Apple **** wouldn't support. If you're talking about Virtual machine, then no it won't work, at least not to the point where it runs well enough to enjoy. Apple will tell you that you can run Windows software, which is true for the most part, but this doesn't apply really to graphically intense games like Fallout 3 and Crysis. I've tried, it's just not playable..

You're right he wouldn't be able play a game on Windows 7 using Vmware and expect to run good, because they use generic drivers. However he can just boot in to Windows 7 using bootcamp.

Mac's are nice if you can afford them. I can see myself getting a macbook, but not going to spend that amount for macbook pro desktop not worth it for the OS for me anyways as always it depends on the usage.

I'm personally fine with my custom built PC I am using VMware to run Linux, Windows Server, I'm not going to spend 3x the price for an OS. Even if I chose those particular parts on the Macbook pro it would be half the price. So there is a certain group of users that it would be better to have a Mac, but for the price and the benefits over PC's is not big enough to better for most people.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I haven't tried bootcamp, but I've read that it also doesn't handle graphic intense stuff like games well.

If anyone has any experience or evidence to contradict this, then by all means please share.

The video hardware itself in a Mac is different, companies like eVGA have even come out with Mac editions of some of their cards, but not their higher end cards. How well are those cards going to run in Windows 7, and even if they do run how well are they going to play games.

The point that I was trying to make is that Mac isn't a ligitimate gaming platform, whereas Windows is. Sure, I'm sure you can get some things to run, but it's never going to 'work right'...

AsSiMiLaTeD

Besides, what's the point of paying for a Mac if you're just going to have to boot into Windows to get your games to work...

Demiurge

Do you even have a Mac? Or is this all just stuff you've read?

Honestly, I'm not sure why you guys care so much. The Macs excel in many areas that Windows based PCs do not, and vice versa. A big enough difference between the two for me that it made sense to own both.

I understand the annoyance of fan boys like in the opening post, but do you guys realize you sound equally ridiculous bashing Macs?

Demiurge

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

Besides, what's the point of paying for a Mac if you're just going to have to boot into Windows to get your games to work...

:rolleyes:

Because people buy Macs just to play video games, right?

ryanjoachim

I prefer a PC for one relatively simple reason:

It's MINE. I can do whatever the h3ll I want with it. I can run any hardware I want, any software (with certain caveats, of course).

Sure, the things I love about PC's are also the things that tend to cause the most trouble. But that's just me.
I think the thing I dislike about Macs the most is what they charge for mediocre hardware...although they probably charge fairly for the hardware and then ask $2000 for the "fancy" case.

mantis

Demiurge wrote: »

Do you even have a Mac? Or is this all just stuff you've read?

Honestly, I'm not sure why you guys care so much. The Macs excel in many areas that Windows based PCs do not, and vice versa. A big enough difference between the two for me that it made sense to own both.

I understand the annoyance of fan boys like in the opening post, but do you guys realize you sound equally ridiculous bashing Macs?

This is what I don't understand. If I'm happy with a product , I'm an Annoying fanboy. Why is that? Why does it bother you personally to the point of it's annoying? You can simply read it and leave it. You need to reply , I don't know you , You don't know me, we can live our separate lives and never have any issues with each other.

I'm trying to understand why you personally find my happiness annoying?

bigaudiofanatic

If he wants to be a pc user let him. He will relies one day how much he has spent on upgrades, OS, repairs and so on. I know that even though I know how to work on pc's I just want my stuff to work and not have any problems or worry about getting infected by a computer that I might be working on. Macs have started to be issued even in businesses for field users. I know that more people are starting to realize that it is worth it to pay a little more. Also for the thing about viruses not many people at all know how to write viruses for unix so it would be difficult for that to become a big problem.

Systems

mantis wrote: »

This is what I don't understand. If I'm happy with a product , I'm an Annoying fanboy. Why is that? Why does it bother you personally to the point of it's annoying? You can simply read it and leave it. You need to reply , I don't know you , You don't know me, we can live our separate lives and never have any issues with each other.

I'm trying to understand why you personally find my happiness annoying?

I don't think its your happiness thats annoying, its the little jabs here and there that both pc and mac people make about each system that annoying....like this:

I'm a magic mouse, look I have no wires....its magic:)

AsSiMiLaTeD

Funny how you guys read my original first post and decided to take one thing out of it to argue about, as opposed to addressing the whole thing in context.

The main reason I posted was just to give Dan a hard time because he brings the "Mac is better" diatribe to just about every Windows themed thread on here. Immature? Sure. Inappropriate? No. It's nothing personal with Dan, and it's probably not just him, but it seems like in every single Windows thread you get someone who wants to bring up the Mac discussion.

I didn't intend to start an academic debate on whether or not Macs can play games, it was just an off-the-cuff comment that someone decided to discuss further.

Demi, to your question, as I've already indicated, yes I've tried it, it doesn't work. I've tried a virtual machine and bootcamp on a friends PC and could never get it to work right. Again, if anyone has any evidence or experience to the contrary, or can give me some pointers I'd appreciate, because he has a Mac and is dying to play some games.