So my neighbor's kid is no longer a little boy
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Demi,
With all due respect it is clear that your feelings on the situation jade any type of deviation that others may have. It seems you won't be happy until I somehow submit to your reasoning and take your definitive stance. I am telling you that in my humble opinion, I cannot take such a stance given the way that the facts that are presented right now.
Then why interject yourself into the discussion and argue with those who are reasoning their way through this to a conclusion on what they think if you don't even know what you think?
I notice the only people you're taking umbrage with are those who find what the parents are doing to be wrong.
Telling, yes?
Personally I would find it irresponsible to take such a hardened position based on what a newspaper article says - I am sure that there is much more information that isn't being reported. How hard is that to comprehend? I am tapping out on this one. You can state definitively that it is wrong and I respect that. Respect my position - I have never been afraid to say "I don't know."
Shawn
Why the subtle insults? Aside from illustrating absurdity by being absurd in asking you if you'd give the same benefit of the doubt to child molesters to make a salient point, I don't think I have stooped to such levels. You're basically calling anyone who has a firm opinion irresponsible. Nice.
What facts are you waiting for that makes this OK? I can't think of any, so I don't exactly see what's so irresponsible about stating that decisions like this should by made by the individual it affects at adulthood and not before or by anyone else.
It's pretty clear what you think, but you're not going to come out and say it. Sorry, but I don't respect that. -
I read the story and not and replies and all i can say is
WTF?????????
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Then why interject yourself into the discussion and argue with those who are reasoning their way through this to a conclusion on what they think if you don't even know what you think?
I notice the only people you're taking umbrage with are those who find what the parents are doing to be wrong.
Telling, yes?
Why the subtle insults? Aside from illustrating absurdity by being absurd in asking you if you'd give the same benefit of the doubt to child molesters to make a salient point, I don't think I have stooped to such levels. You're basically calling anyone who has a firm opinion irresponsible. Nice.
What facts are you waiting for that makes this OK? I can't think of any, so I don't exactly see what's so irresponsible about stating that decisions like this should by made by the individual it affects at adulthood and not before or by anyone else.
It's pretty clear what you think, but you're not going to come out and say it. Sorry, but I don't respect that.
Demi,
Listen man. If there are any insults, subtle or not, then they were not intended. You seem to be very passionate in your viewpoint that this is wrong. Perfect - you're entitled to that. I have never argued with you as that implies that I am trying to change your mind or feel that you are wrong in your feelings.
Maybe this will help. Hypothetically, as a parent of a child who had the same circumstance, I would do everything in my power to educate myself, educate my child, seek help from everyone that had constructive input and formulate a decision that primarily reflected what the child wanted AFTER WE gather all of the facts. If the child decided, after all of this, that they wanted to go through with this and all of the experts thought and convinced me that it was in the best interests of the child, I would support it. Would I be happy about it? Probably not, but it would NEVER influence my feelings for my daughter (read this closely - I am not implying that anyone has eluded to that). If, at any time during this process, I felt something was amiss or there was any conflict with the decision, I would do everything in my power to try to support reasons not to go through with this at that time.
In your blatant attempts to bait me into taking a side (right or wrong), I have time and time again said that I couldn't. I actually think that from what we know they have been very pro-active in the process seeking information instead of letting the child dictate the process. I DO feel that the parents are doing what they feel is right for their child after seeking the opinions of many medical experts, after 4 years of research, after living with their child for 8 years, after deciding that at age 12 they MIGHT support the hormone therapy, etc. I am not in a position to judge them as being "wrong" because I do not know everything involved here. You, on the other hand, have formulated your decision based on what you know and that is fine.
I never asked for your respect and frankly don't care about whether or not you respect me or my point of view. My reason for interjecting is simply to state my opinion, the same way you wanted to interject that this is wrong. Do i need a permission to give an opposing point of view from now on? Accept the fact that others have different opinions that can be substantiated as well.Shawn
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Demi,
Listen man. If there are any insults, subtle or not, then they were not intended. You seem to be very passionate in your viewpoint that this is wrong. Perfect - you're entitled to that. I have never argued with you as that implies that I am trying to change your mind or feel that you are wrong in your feelings.
Really? What's this:Some have suggested that the girl wait until she is an adult to deal with a decision of that magnitude. But, I would argue that the added years of personal conflict and in many cases shame of themselves, would be just as damaging and irreperable.
...not an argument?
You seem to be backing away from it by defaulting the the parents, experts, and the child.Maybe this will help. Hypothetically, as a parent of a child who had the same circumstance, I would do everything in my power to educate myself, educate my child, seek help from everyone that had constructive input and formulate a decision that primarily reflected what the child wanted AFTER WE gather all of the facts. If the child decided, after all of this, that they wanted to go through with this and all of the experts thought and convinced me that it was in the best interests of the child, I would support it. Would I be happy about it? Probably not, but it would NEVER influence my feelings for my daughter (read this closely - I am not implying that anyone has eluded to that). If, at any time during this process, I felt something was amiss or there was any conflict with the decision, I would do everything in my power to try to support reasons not to go through with this at that time.
Finally! So the answer to this question:Demiurge wrote:Is it or isn't it OK for an 8 year old to be taking hormone drugs to alter his sexual identity?
Is yes. Right?
Maybe not....In your blatant attempts to bait me into taking a side (right or wrong), I have time and time again said that I couldn't.
haha, I'm not baiting you. So if by blatant you mean direct questions -- yeah, guilty as charged.
You're the one who keeps saying you don't know what your opinion is, yet your'e dropping hints right and left (as evidenced above in your first reply) of exactly what you think.I actually think that from what we know they have been very pro-active in the process seeking information instead of letting the child dictate the process. I DO feel that the parents are doing what they feel is right for their child after seeking the opinions of many medical experts, after 4 years of research, after living with their child for 8 years, after deciding that at age 12 they MIGHT support the hormone therapy, etc. I am not in a position to judge them as being "wrong" because I do not know everything involved here. You, on the other hand, have formulated your decision based on what you know and that is fine.
For a guy who says he won't levy an opinion over a single article because we don't have all the facts, you're sure making a lot of assumptions!I never asked for your respect and frankly don't care about whether or not you respect me or my point of view.Respect my position - I have never been afraid to say "I don't know."My reason for interjecting is simply to state my opinion, the same way you wanted to interject that this is wrong.
So, umm...what's your opinion? That this is right or that this is wrong?Do i need a permission to give an opposing point of view from now on? Accept the fact that others have different opinions that can be substantiated as well.
I don't think so, but then again you're the one struggling to give one while you contradict yourself.
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Listen man. You can quote bits and pieces and rebut them any way you want if it makes you feel better. I am not here to argue with you (by the way the term "I would argue......" is a figure of speech not to be taken literally for "I want to start an argument"); just to offer another point of view. I really don't have the time or want to expend the effort to explain myself again. I will defer any further comments on this thread.Shawn
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I think most people should **** instead of have children.
Ben
Great point...too many people re-producing who really shouldn't be.
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Many people don't realize that beng a parent is the most important and most difficult job they will ever have.
Children are a gift from God that must be treasured for what and who they are. Raising them in a manner that allows them to grow and thrive in the world is a difficult endeavor to be sure, but I would hardly call it a job. Rather it is a pleasure that gives far greater rewards than anything else I can think of. As with all things however, you get back in equal measure that which you give.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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disneyjoe7 wrote: »As of girls kids "He" makes one cute.
Why does this image have a copyright on it? Again, I have to question the parents motives more than the decision the more I think about it... -
This shot comes from a TV documentary that was done by the BBC about children living with Gender Dysphoria. As such, any images taken from that show will be copyrighted.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Listen man. You can quote bits and pieces and rebut them any way you want if it makes you feel better. I am not here to argue with you (by the way the term "I would argue......" is a figure of speech not to be taken literally for "I want to start an argument"); just to offer another point of view. I really don't have the time or want to expend the effort to explain myself again. I will defer any further comments on this thread.
For real this time?
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"I'm a boy, I'm a boy
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I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But if I say I am I get it"
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