So my neighbor's kid is no longer a little boy

Sherardp

My neighbors prior to them leaving Japan were a great family. We actually hung out and did BBQs etc. Long story short, their 8 yrs old little boy is now a girl. Interesting read to say the least, but I personally think at 8 there should have been more guidance. Here's the read

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1220577/Pictured-Josie-transgender-year-old-born-boy.html

ben62670

That is so wrong.

Demiurge

I'm sure some will disagree, but I think anyone that aided in allowing this to happen is guilty of child abuse. An 8 year old should have no concept of what any of this stuff means to begin with. If they want to let him be a girl or whatever....fine, but hormone medication, etc.? Give me a break. If he thinks he's still a girl at 18, he can make the decision to change his sex on his own when he's fully aware of the ramifications of altering his body and hormones.

I'm sure these parents think they're doing the right thing, but I agree that other things should have been explored first.

Sherardp

ben62670 wrote: »

That is so wrong.

My thoughts exactly. At some point someone has to correct the child. Step up to the plate " You're a boy, get over it". However, I know we live in a mixed society but at 8 who does this? At least give the child opportunity to identify with himself. It's possible the he could have grown out of this. Just wrong IMHO.

Even when they were my neighbors they were kind of weird in there own way. Joey never really got to play with my little ones much.

SWFalken

I think that this is just an extension of the attitudes that we see all around us everyday. No one ever seems to want to correct children's behavior at all. We are raising an entire generation of children that have no understanding of what it takes to function in a society with other people. We don't correct their language, we don't correct their bad behavior, we don't teach them how to interact positively with other people around them, and now apparently we don't have the fortitude to teach a confused child how to behave in a manner appropriate for their gender. There are way too many people that are afraid of hurting a child's feelings by correcting them.

comfortablycurt

Wow...that is some messed up ****.

Is there even such a thing as being transgender? Is that even a real medical condition? I've never heard of it before.

bruss

thats just too crazy to believe.

ben62670

I do however wish I had a nice set of hooties to lather up in the shower, but that is another story.

Monster Jam

Hmmmm...

Easy to judge from the outside, but if we were thrust into their undesirable position, we might have a different opinion.

I'm not saying that its right or wrong, just that the choices these parents have to make are very difficult.

Systems

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Wow...that is some messed up ****.

Thats for certain.:eek:

sTiLlLeArNiNg

Sorry but i don't agree with that....

ben62670

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

Sorry but i don't agree with that....

Expound on your statement please, and why do you end many of your post with:o

sTiLlLeArNiNg

There is no need for me to "expound" i simply do not agree with what was linked to by the O/P and the is just because i like smilies and i didn't want to offend anyone

messiah

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Wow...that is some messed up ****.

Is there even such a thing as being transgender? Is that even a real medical condition? I've never heard of it before.

+1. I can't imagine an 8 year old saying that you messed up my gender, now fix it.

swegyptian

I sure as hell had no proper concept of gender when I was 8.

xj4094dg

Damn I'm glad my daughter is 28 and I didn't have to deal with something like this (and I'm not having any more kids). I don't know what the F I would do in a situation like this. Crazy indeed.

GMiller

What's wrong about it? Sure, it's uncomfortable to imagine this situation affecting our own lives, but obviously this child is wired differently. She was just born with male external genitalia. Sounds to me as if the parents have educated themselves regarding the condition and have provided the most nurturing and supportive environment they can for their daughter. Supressing their daughters' tendencies could probably have led to supressed development- I'm glad they haven't forced shame upon her by invalidating her gender roles.

To those that say they didn't have any idea of gender roles at age 8, are you sure? The types of play you involved in, the attractions of the opposite sex, etc.? I know I remember Robin Murray (female, of course!) from Mrs. Gregg's first grade class like it was yesterday!

wutadumsn23

Pretty touchy subject, but I agree with you Ben. Wouldn't mind a nice set of whoo whoo's to soap up in the shower, lol.

-Jeff

ben62670

I couldn’t sleep. Lately I have been trying to avoid threads that carry strong points of view, or are controversial, but…

First the kid’s father should have his name changed to sum ting wong.

Second I have been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, bipolar, and mild over tones of schizophrenia. This can be a bad thing, but it does open my mind to what others are thinking right, or wrong. So...
I am lying in bed for a few hours, and can’t help but think of the good and bad of the situation. So is the father some sort of weird pedophile? The boy wishes he was a girl to please father? Sick Sick Sick! I cannot fathom an 8 year old boy wanting to be a girl.

Third as an adult it can make things a little more interesting. I was kidding about having nice **** to play with (or not kidding). So the thought train continued. I sometimes like to play the what if scenario. Theoretically… So I am a grown man that wants some woman parts to play with. Can I still keep my man parts? If I got the female add on package would they be functional? Could I have the female vertical smile located just above the ****? During those lonesome nights when I am having that dream about the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders picking me up off the side of a desert road on their tour bus could I get myself pregnant? If so I am rethinking the firm breast of a 20-30 year old, and thinking more along the lines of supple MILF **** that I could indulge myself with. Would I lactate if I knocked myself up Would I be able to understand the thinking of the opposite sex Would I want too:eek: Would the schizophrenia side of me argue with myself more than now (of course)? Sometimes I think it is good to really dig down deep. Sometimes it is bad. Do you think I should speak with my “doctor” about this?
I am not Paul Harvey.
Sometimes IDK who I am or WTH I am.
Ben

superjunior

Ben, I would go with the **** of a 20-30 yr old, but thats just me..:D

ben62670

superjunior wrote: »

Ben, I would go with the **** of a 20-30 yr old, but thats just me..:D

I'd never leave the house:D It would be good for personal hygiene. I would never leave the shower scene either LOL:):)

superjunior

ben62670 wrote: »

I'd never leave the house:D It would be good for personal hygiene. I would never leave the shower scene either LOL:):)

damn I just spilled my coffee :D:D

apphd

I'm with the: this is wrong camp. I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to transgenderism, but I still can not see how a 5, 6, or 8 year old can have any concept of gender. I think it is some what normal for kids to role play and question their gender as they lack that concept. I think it would have been much better for them to deal with it, until he was old enough to really understand and make the decision for himself as an adult.

Ben you need help.................


j k:p...........or not:D

concealer404

I could understand this if the child were 18... but for christ's sake. They're 8.

wrong. Wrong. WRONG. WRONG.

ben62670

apphd wrote: »

Ben you need help.................


j k:p...........or not:D

I do. Please send all donations to BenIsAsickIndividual.com
Thanks much
BenWachinove (my russian self indulgent personality)

nooshinjohn

There is so much information that we do not have that would be helpful before forming an opinion about this family and the little boy/girl. Yes, gender dysphoria is a real condition. There may in fact, be a medical or genetic cause for the boy's condition, such as an extra chromosome or hermaphorism. The medical and psychological professionals that have examined this child know far more than we do and are experts in treating his condition. If it has been determined that the course of treatment should be a sex change, it is best that it happen as early as possible so that onset of secondary sex characteristics can be prevented. This will only help the child in the long run by preventing him from going through a horrible childhood and the misery caused by other kids that do not understand.

Personally I think it way to premature for medical intervention, but he should get all the psychological support he needs.

ryanjoachim

I agree with what the parents did. The child has been correcting people since she was 4 years old about being a girl. Basically from the time she was able to process words/sentences/ideas, she has been a girl. She has always played with dolls, worn "girl" clothes, acted like a girl is "supposed" to act.

If she has been doing this her whole life WITHOUT any encouraging or suggesting from her parents or anyone around her, what makes you think that all of a sudden it'll "change" when she hits 18?

Oh, and by the time she hits 18, she will have already had to deal with the society we live in, which martyrs people who are different in many ways, and especially those transgender or transsexual people. And by the time she is 18, puberty would have already taken it's course through the "male" cycle, meaning that in order to revert to female it would be a LOT more pain both mentally and physically.

I guess what i'm trying to say is this: Yes, the child is only 8. Here is the big "but" though...BUT, basically from birth this child has mentally been a female. Throughout her childhood she has wanted to be a girl, has wanted to do girl things, and has verbally corrected anyone who calls her a boy. And all this has been of her own opinion. Obviously her parents did NOT want this kind of thing to happen, and the father was devastated to "lose' his son.

This is what is best for the child, in my opinion.

disneyjoe7

ben62670 wrote: »

I have been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, bipolar, and mild over tones of schizophrenia.
Ben

Ben, Stop right there this "EXPLAINS EVERYTHING":D

disneyjoe7

ryanjoachim wrote: »

I agree with what the parents did. The child has been correcting people since she was 4 years old about being a girl. Basically from the time she was able to process words/sentences/ideas, she has been a girl. She has always played with dolls, worn "girl" clothes, acted like a girl is "supposed" to act.

If she has been doing this her whole life WITHOUT any encouraging or suggesting from her parents or anyone around her, what makes you think that all of a sudden it'll "change" when she hits 18?

Oh, and by the time she hits 18, she will have already had to deal with the society we live in, which martyrs people who are different in many ways, and especially those transgender or transsexual people. And by the time she is 18, puberty would have already taken it's course through the "male" cycle, meaning that in order to revert to female it would be a LOT more pain both mentally and physically.

I guess what i'm trying to say is this: Yes, the child is only 8. Here is the big "but" though...BUT, basically from birth this child has mentally been a female. Throughout her childhood she has wanted to be a girl, has wanted to do girl things, and has verbally corrected anyone who calls her a boy. And all this has been of her own opinion. Obviously her parents did NOT want this kind of thing to happen, and the father was devastated to "lose' his son.

This is what is best for the child, in my opinion.

Agree, I don't think sex of a child is always cut and dry. Sex of a person is on a sliding scale, and must are a bit on one side being male or female. So in the end some are just females with male parts, or males with female parts.

apphd

ryanjoachim wrote: »

I agree with what the parents did. The child has been correcting people since she was 4 years old about being a girl. Basically from the time she was able to process words/sentences/ideas, she has been a girl. She has always played with dolls, worn "girl" clothes, acted like a girl is "supposed" to act.

If she has been doing this her whole life WITHOUT any encouraging or suggesting from her parents or anyone around her, what makes you think that all of a sudden it'll "change" when she hits 18?

Oh, and by the time she hits 18, she will have already had to deal with the society we live in, which martyrs people who are different in many ways, and especially those transgender or transsexual people. And by the time she is 18, puberty would have already taken it's course through the "male" cycle, meaning that in order to revert to female it would be a LOT more pain both mentally and physically.

I guess what i'm trying to say is this: Yes, the child is only 8. Here is the big "but" though...BUT, basically from birth this child has mentally been a female. Throughout her childhood she has wanted to be a girl, has wanted to do girl things, and has verbally corrected anyone who calls her a boy. And all this has been of her own opinion. Obviously her parents did NOT want this kind of thing to happen, and the father was devastated to "lose' his son.

This is what is best for the child, in my opinion.

I agree with a lot about what you are saying, but "The child has been correcting people since she was 4 years old about being a girl." As I said I am pretty ignorant about this subject but I still have a hard time believing a 4 year old has any understanding about what they were saying to have it mean much. Yes maybe she thought dolls were more fun than trucks, and liked more feminine colors and maybe even cloths. Which may or may not continue through out the years to adult hood. But what if it didn't, how would that affect her future mental pain? And while I agree with noonshin that professionals know more than me, I also know they do not know it all, especially when it comes to knowing how the brain works.

All I can say is I'm glad I was not the one in need of making a decision and wish them all well and hope what they did was right.

ben62670

I am a ****.