Does anyone use equalizers anymore?
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Hope you guys have fun!! As usual a few n00b's want to hear themselves talk. I've stated my opinion and I'm done here........other than making some popcorn and watching from the side lines enjoying my tubed office rig with no tone controls.
Let's see if you n00b's can get another thread closed and post the typical worthless information."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Try posting that on some other well know audio forums like AVSForum, Audioholics, or Hometheatershack.
Wouldn't be caught dead over in those forums. Talk about a sheeeepppp mentality."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
No! No Equalizer anymore! But I have a parametric and graphics EQ in standby for really bad recordings.
It's not the equipments that needs help. It's the bad recordings that needs help from EQ.
Also, no Tone Control and no bass boost or any kind of flavor added unless absolutely necessary. Again, there are tons of bad recordings that needs help with Tone Control in Pre-amp.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Well it was only a matter of time before the outing with the references to the vastly superior knowledge available at other forums, the inevitable links to follow.
Turn out the lights and close the door, the eggs are cooling, the jello is jiggling and the butter's getting hard.
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Hope you guys have fun!! As usual a few n00b's want to hear themselves talk. I've stated my opinion and I'm done here........other than making some popcorn and watching from the side lines enjoying my tubed office rig with no tone controls.
Let's see if you n00b's can get another thread closed and post the typical worthless information.
Or a thread that has open minded information and not a bunch of snobs driving a set of $2000 Polks with $5000 worth of gear.
A thread where it's: give it a shot, if you don't like it don't do it. Instead we get I have a 2 channel tube setup that smells of Chanel No5 with silver and hemp pleated interconnects with a beryllium coated tip.
There is a real reason why you can't hang on the other boards. Any one that would rather invest in interconnects for tone controls than something like an EQ... Nothing worse than a person that thinks they know what they don't know. I guess that would be an old noob. -
Sometimes, when I have no other choice, I do use the equalizer...
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Any one that would rather invest in interconnects for tone controls than something like an EQ.
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I wouldn't dare add one of those noise generating,detail obscuring thingies to my my full range signal path.It would defeat entirely the purpose of using a minimalist single ended preamp if I were to add a box with multiple cheap opamps, pots and switches etc.
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I use a single band of parametric EQ on my subwoofers to notch out a nasty 50hz room mode.I wouldn't dare add one of those noise generating,detail obscuring thingies to my my full range signal path.It would defeat entirely the purpose of using a minimalist single ended preamp if I were to add a box with multiple cheap opamps, pots and switches etc.
You made a great point. No one is saying that you have to correct 15 different bands... It still stands that an EQ can make a difference. -
You made a great point. No one is saying that you have to correct 15 different bands... It still stands that an EQ can make a difference.
Actually, you don't want to use EQ at all if it sounds good on it's own. The EQ is totally removed till there is some bad recordings you need to listen to it. But since it's been removed from my rigs, I haven't used the EQ in the past 10+ years. I still have it and keep them just in case I need to listen to some bad recordings.
But EQ is a necessary evil if you listen to lower quality mp3 (128kbps or less sampling digitized) streams from the Internet or your media server.
Now, I only use SMS-1 to correct room acoustics for my subs in the HT area. It's a kind of parametric EQ but only for around 20Hz-50Hz region for HT.
No SMS-1 or subs needed in the stereo rigs.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
hearingimpared wrote: »Curt, he has an axe to grind with Ted that he won't let go . . . just ignore him.
Apparently so. I won't be losing any sleep over it.
Yet another stupid thread...I'm done with this one. Have fun guys, I'll be reading from the sidelines.The nirvana inducer-
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Any one that would rather invest in interconnects for tone controls than something like an EQ.
Keep spreading that open mindedness you're preaching. I bet it'll catch on fast!
Oh, so others can make blanket statements like 'eq's aren't needed, buy better gear' are open minded? But I make a statement about people buying cables as a method of tone control and I'm not?
Pot meet kettle indeed. Again, go to another popular forum and try posting the 'just get better gear in place of eq argument'. Oh, I forgot, only the Polk forums have people that know what they are doing. Doesn't matter what the other forums are because you have a convenient argument of "they are all sheeple". -
The circuitry for each band is still in the signal path even when the gain/cut control is in the middle position.You made a great point. No one is saying that you have to correct 15 different bands...
Sure it will make a difference, but I contend that if the goal is extracting and resolving as much information and detail from a recording as possible,it's addition will be counterproductive.It still stands that an EQ can make a difference.Testing
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Actually, you don't want to use EQ at all if it sounds good on it's own. The EQ is totally removed till there is some bad recordings you need to listen to it. But since it's been removed from my rigs, I haven't used the EQ in the past 10+ years. I still have it and keep them just in case I need to listen to some bad recordings.
But EQ is a necessary evil if you listen to lower quality mp3 (128kbps or less sampling digitized) streams from the Internet or your media server.
Now, I only use SMS-1 to correct room acoustics for my subs in the HT area. It's a kind of parametric EQ but only for around 20Hz-50Hz region for HT.
No SMS-1 or subs needed in the stereo rigs.
Thanks, this is the real kind of information that needs to come out in these threads. It's just sad that you have know-it-all's that are hell bent on only pushing their viewpoint.
The OP asked a really good question. If you look at his signature he has primarily and HT setup. Companies like Pioneer/Onkyo(Integra)/Denon/Yamaha/Sony/JVC/Sherwood/NAD/Outlaw/Emotiva/Cary... (the list goes on) all have some form of EQ included in their product. Are they all making crap components. Is it possible they don't know you really don't need an EQ?
Again, what are everyone's goals here? I stated mine early and up front. -
The circuitry for each band is still in the signal path even when the gain/cut control is in the middle position. Sure it will makes a difference, but I contend that if the goal is extracting and resolving as much information and detail from a the recording as possible,it's addition will be counterproductive.
But you are making a BLANKET statement about your setup and what it does for you. Don't want an EQ in the mix, great, don't EQ.
Have a sub with a nasty 50Hz hump in the listening environment that you want to smooth out? then either try relocating the sub. If that fails then try to EQ.
Can anyone find a post where I said to apply the EQ to your entire range?
I even stated that there is not a lot to EQ in a two channel setup. There are some 'purists' that get way to worked up over things that were never even said. -
One of the reasons to use an EQ IMO is to try and minimize some of the room's unwanted contributions to the overall sound, so that you hear less of your listening space and more of what's actually in the recording itself. The overall goal being to preserve what was recorded by correcting room induced problems.
Three steps to achieving that IMO are:
1. Speaker/sub placement relative to listening position. This should be optimized first.
2. Room acoustic treatments. This should be optimized second.
3. EQ to "tweak" the final response and ideally only frequencies 80hz and below as they are the least affected by room treatments. -
on top of my VCR now.
Dude...you are one of the 6 people left on earth with a VCR. You go bro!!!:D -
Conradicles wrote: »Dude...you are one of the 6 people left on earth with a VCR. You go bro!!!:D
I guess I'm one of the other 5 people then. Who are the other 4 besides Strider and myself?...lol
I still use my VCR pretty regularly, the DVD player gets a lot more use, but I still have my collection of about 200 VHS tapes. I'm not going to stop watching them just because they're outdated.The nirvana inducer-
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comfortablycurt wrote: »Yet another stupid thread...I'm done with this one. Have fun guys, I'll be reading from the sidelines.
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The original question was asked does anyone use EQ and I gave the reason for my limited usage of it.Others are free to agree or disagree.But you are making a BLANKET statement about your setup and what it does for you. Don't want an EQ in the mix, great, don't EQ.
My placement options are limited and the final locations worked best despite the 50hz issue.Other locations had other problems that were not as easily solvable with one band of EQ.Have a sub with a nasty 50Hz hump in the listening environment that you want to smooth out? then either try relocating the sub. If that fails then try to EQ.Testing
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EQ's rule guys. Go buy one with snake oil in the LED lights.
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The original question was asked does anyone use EQ and I gave the reason for my limited usage of it.Others are free to agree or disagree.
Exactly, agree or disagree. Not start preaching the gospel 'No EQ is ever needed, you just have junk audio components'.
Is that really the image that some Polksters want to project? Just put a big sign up saying "Polk forums, exclusive club. Lesser audio beings need not apply'.
The difference is: I am not patently saying you HAVE to use an EQ, while others are patently saying don't.
I am saying use your ears. Others are saying don't bother. I don't know what axe some here have to grind but it is misleading to someone just getting into audio. I want them to be able to buy a product like Polk and come here and discover what else there is. Fine if they can hear a rational argument for the pro/cons of something. -
Conradicles wrote: »He has a good point. I would not dare use my H/T AVR without the EQ. Sounds horrible.
For 2-channel I don't need one.
But you got to admit some of them look really cool. The lights man, the lights! (not lightman)
Don't drag me into this. I'm in enough trouble already.
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What happened to the pre-edit statement???? I saw it.Conradicles wrote: »EQ's rule guys. Go buy one with snake oil in the LED lights. -
Conradicles wrote: »Sidelines huh...
Ehh...it wasn't related to the topic at hand, so it's still the sideline. I just felt like promoting the usage of VCR's.;)
I'm still saying this from the sideline just FYI...lolThe nirvana inducer-
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What happened to the pre-edit statement???? I saw it.
VCR's are to video...as...EQ's are to audio
VCR's suck out loud so...:D -
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I have a VCR too, a very nice one at that and I use it regularly.
Granted, an EQ device/program seems to be needed for HT set ups.....should tell you something about HT, eh?AVSForum, Audioholics, or Hometheatershack.
Interesting that you bring them into the conversation as they are well known for thinking everything sounds the same. Hmmmm.......makes one wonder why they would need an EQ or perhaps that is the reason everything sounds the same to them.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I have Touretts. And I know where you live.Conradicles wrote: »Did hims get sent to the corner?:(
You 2ch in the GARAGE! no sound stagin' 14 kids runnin' around the house Yayhoo!
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