Does anyone use equalizers anymore?

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

Enjoy your little club.

I hope this means you're finally leaving...........I mean since incongruent ideas are spread here, there is really no point for you to participate.

Ricardo

I use my Denon's receiver EQ in my HT. Works wonders for room correction and bass management.

I use my MicroPro 3000 built in EQ for bass room correction in my 2 channel rig. Also works wonders.

heiney9

Ricardo wrote: »

I use my Denon's receiver EQ in my HT. Works wonders for room correction and bass management.

I use my MicroPro 3000 built in EQ for bass room correction in my 2 channel rig. Also works wonders.

Heretic.......you're out!!!!

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Ju Ju, the thing you forget is your so called relevent information is just a single opinion and is no more valid than anyone else's opinion. YOU come off as the conceited one by arbitrarily dismissing everyone else's opinion and trying to make your's audio gospel.

If you dig EQ's, add your opinion and move on. You are a troll based on the actions on this board and in particular this thread. Talk out your **** all you want about spreading relevent information. In the end you're just a lonely troll who seems to get off on confrontation.

H9

You don't get to play high and mighty. I haven't dismissed any ones opinion. If you can find a post where I belittled some one on their valid opinion please do so.

You and RT1 are the trolls, and mightily busy at it also from what I have observed. You M.O. is quite obvious. Fast to attack, and then talk trash trying to back peddle. You guys are the ones saying EQ's are trash PERIOD. I am the one saying try it out. If you don't like it pull it.

What real lesson for people to take away is that you guys like your little exclusive clique. That for some adequacy based reasons you don't really like some saying what you don't agree with.

So here is the first ignorant post that a new comer shouldn't believe:



You're an idiot if you think for a second that you can correct for room error with 'better gear'. What wholly incorrect statement.

Then there is your statement:



Opinion huh? sounds like a defacto statement to me. Again, it couldn't POSSIBLY be that your listening environment is contributing to your sound.

Now I will give this, after much of the beat down that I and others have delivered to you, you have come off that particular fence.

strider

polkapolka wrote: »

If so, who, what, why, $, you know, all the good stuff!

Thanks,
Matt

Matt,

If you're interested in trying out an EQ, I'll send you mine. No strings attached, give it a whirl and let us know what you think. Lemme know.

Ben

BigMac

Well, I am new to all this and came to this thread to learn a little. Instead it's just another thread full of mostly useless banter. jinjuku, I call BS,BS,BS on you!!!! Why...............

jinjuku wrote: »

I participate in this thread not to have drama, but to put real and relevant information out there for someone that might not know better.

jinjuku wrote: »

My goals in this thread are to put relevant and useful information for the lay person that is researching this stuff. That is all.

And this is some of the "relevant" information you claim the lay person can learn from? I CALL BS!!!!!

I always found the road outside my house to be bumpy. With my Nissan it's ok, but when my business partner comes over in his Lexus, it's a better ride. No need to repave the road.

From your posts, I only think you snort the low end stuff.

Try posting that at AVSForum, Hometheatershack, or Audioholics.

That is such a ridiculous statement. Try posting that on some other well know audio forums like AVSForum, Audioholics, or Hometheatershack.

Or a thread that has open minded information and not a bunch of snobs driving a set of $2000 Polks with $5000 worth of gear.

A thread where it's: give it a shot, if you don't like it don't do it. Instead we get I have a 2 channel tube setup that smells of Chanel No5 with silver and hemp pleated interconnects with a beryllium coated tip.

There is a real reason why you can't hang on the other boards. Any one that would rather invest in interconnects for tone controls than something like an EQ... Nothing worse than a person that thinks they know what they don't know. I guess that would be an old noob.

Pot meet kettle indeed. Again, go to another popular forum and try posting the 'just get better gear in place of eq argument'. Oh, I forgot, only the Polk forums have people that know what they are doing. Doesn't matter what the other forums are because you have a convenient argument of "they are all sheeple".

Is that really the image that some Polksters want to project? Just put a big sign up saying "Polk forums, exclusive club. Lesser audio beings need not apply'.

have never seen so many people beat down others with valid opinions. I thought cliques like this were over with in high school. You need to drive a $1000 speaker with $3K of electronics and uber expensive cabling.

I am really not all that worried, just received PM's at AH and AVSForum letting me knowing all the douchery that polksters are known for. Funny thing is they actually named a few specific polksters.

I guess your reputation does proceed you. Any ways there is enough information for an outsider to see what whacko's some of you are.

All of that info. is USELESS!!!!!! In one post you say you want to help get out relevant info. and in another post you are refering to snorting stuff. VERY hypocritical don't you think? Please go back to where you came from as the only thing I have learned from your posts is ummmm, welllllllll, ummmmmm........let me get back to you on that one. NOT!!!!

polkapolka

Well, looks like I missed a lot since I last checked this thread!

Thanks for the help. Some of the information was very useful.

I understand the concept of the E.Q. much better now. Just to let you all know, I was specifically referring to HT.

What I have noticed is that during some dialogue scenes, it would be nice to have the ability to tweak it a little in order to hear more clearly what is being said. My wife has a specific request for this, as she misses some of the dialogue, particularly when there is a bunch of stuff going on, or when the movie wasn't recorded well initially.

It makes sense to me what many of you were referring to with your 2 channel rigs: upgrading your equipment will have a pos. impact on s.q., also that room treatment should be done as well.

I am early on in my audio journey. I would say that I am beginning to gain an appreciation for s.q. more and more. My experience in audio to date has leaned toward the negative in that I have experienced a great deal of listener's fatigue quite often.

My equipment now is satisfactory for the time being. I really enjoy the home theater with my family. I have unique situation in that I have a debilitating nervous disorder which affects how long I can sit, and which chairs I can sit in. The reason I mention this is because it prevents me sitting in the family room, where all my gear is, and listening to music for any length of time. I have been working closely with my pain Dr. and we are trying different things to help improve my quality of life, hopefully positively impacting my ability to enjoy my set up for music more often.

At the moment, I have spent my limit on my gear for a few months now. I receive a monthly allowance, and when that is gone, it is gone. So, I have to save up, and buy my gear one piece at a time.

The last time I was into this hobby was in the 80's, when I was in the Corps. Back then, the big things were the DBX "range expanders" and equalizers. It seemed that everyone was using them. At that time, it was also impossible to share ideas and talk with other audio enthusiasts, as we had no internet, lol!

I would like to thank everyone that made a positive contribution to this thread. It has really given me a greater understanding of the "ins and outs" of using an eq., or any additional equipment for that matter. :eek:

Matt

BigMac

I wanted to publicly apologize for highjacking this thread with my long post concerning jinjuku. I love coming to CP to learn about audio but so many threads now that start productive turn into crap. Just got fed up with that character saying he was here to help but was more into giving useless info. I am starting to think that there is a little group of idiots out there that are getting their kicks at the CP members expense. Just my 2 cents.

sucks2beme

polkapolka wrote: »

Well, looks like I missed a lot since I last checked this thread!

Thanks for the help. Some of the information was very useful.

I understand the concept of the E.Q. much better now. Just to let you all know, I was specifically referring to HT.

What I have noticed is that during some dialogue scenes, it would be nice to have the ability to tweak it a little in order to hear more clearly what is being said. My wife has a specific request for this, as she misses some of the dialogue, particularly when there is a bunch of stuff going on, or when the movie wasn't recorded well initially.

It makes sense to me what many of you were referring to with your 2 channel rigs: upgrading your equipment will have a pos. impact on s.q., also that room treatment should be done as well.

I am early on in my audio journey. I would say that I am beginning to gain an appreciation for s.q. more and more. My experience in audio to date has leaned toward the negative in that I have experienced a great deal of listener's fatigue quite often.

My equipment now is satisfactory for the time being. I really enjoy the home theater with my family. I have unique situation in that I have a debilitating nervous disorder which affects how long I can sit, and which chairs I can sit in. The reason I mention this is because it prevents me sitting in the family room, where all my gear is, and listening to music for any length of time. I have been working closely with my pain Dr. and we are trying different things to help improve my quality of life, hopefully positively impacting my ability to enjoy my set up for music more often.

At the moment, I have spent my limit on my gear for a few months now. I receive a monthly allowance, and when that is gone, it is gone. So, I have to save up, and buy my gear one piece at a time.

The last time I was into this hobby was in the 80's, when I was in the Corps. Back then, the big things were the DBX "range expanders" and equalizers. It seemed that everyone was using them. At that time, it was also impossible to share ideas and talk with other audio enthusiasts, as we had no internet, lol!

I would like to thank everyone that made a positive contribution to this thread. It has really given me a greater understanding of the "ins and outs" of using an eq., or any additional equipment for that matter. :eek:

Matt

Semper Fi! There are some valid points here from both the old hands and
Jinjuku. The problem with EQ is it's there if you need it, or don't need it.
If a song or movie is adjusted, you may find it works against you on
the next song or movie. There was a thread here recently where room treatment
is discussed. By fixing corner/wall problems with treatments,
the problem goes away forever. I know that for me having the system
on an outside wall is far better than having it against an inside wall.
The un-insulated inside walls on modern homes can resonate a great deal.
My last home was built better(late 50's built) due to 16" on center studs
on ALL walls, and double drywall (one layer horizontal, 2nd layer vertical).
Good gear doesn't have to cost a lot. Just do carefull shopping!.
A little craigslist or POLK flea market searching yields big returns.
As far as the dialogue goes, I fixed mine with a better center. My old
center seemed to come up short too often. I'd research centers,
try different room placement, maybe whip up some DIY sound treatments,
re-run the HT calibration, and give it a whirl.

Face

jinjuku wrote: »

I am really not all that worried, just received PM's at AH and AVSForum letting me knowing all the douchery that polksters are known for. Funny thing is they actually named a few specific polksters.

This explains the current influx of trolls and **** stirrers.

jinjuku

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

My Polk HT sub-amp has an EQ card designed for that particular Polk sub speaker.

Besides that if your rack needs an EQ something is lacking in your gear or you just like a particular frequency.

RT1

heiney9 wrote: »

Nope, never. If you need one then you have other issues. I can see it's use to "tune" a sub in an HT system but in a nice 2 channel rig absolutely not, IMHO. I don't have or even like bass and treble controls in the signal path

H9

heiney9 wrote: »

No equalizer or tone controls are needed if you're gear is up to snuff. There are extreme situations where room acoustics might dictate trying to fix gaping problems. For me personally I'd not use that room or figure out a different configuration before using an EQ or any tone control.

With my set-up I'm willing to take the warts and all with the recordings. With a passive pre-amp and 2 gain stage amplifier it's about as close to straight thru as one can reasonably get. My system sounds fantastic with well recorded material and so-so with poorly recorded material, but I get all the "essence" of the original recordings. No EQ will make the poor recordings sound like the stellar recordings...........the damage was done at the mastering/recordings phase.

Listening to the Beatles is certainly just as rewarding as listening to a GRP jazz selection even though the recording process and quality are worlds apart. Some people just like the "boom, boom, tizz, tizz" not me.

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

William,

well for one thing it certainly improves the look of the room. for you some fung shwei??? decor might work as well.

besides you slipped two thoughts in there W, dont see in the quote of H9 where he said that buying gear corrects "room" issues????

RT1

Face wrote: »

Adding an EQ to good gear is like adding a lift kit to a Lexus.

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

conrad,

Naw, we hate all useless electronic's suggestions equally, not just EQ's.

RT1--Tubes Rule.

BigMac wrote: »

Well, I am new to all this and came to this thread to learn a little. Instead it's just another thread full of mostly useless banter. jinjuku, I call BS,BS,BS on you!!!! Why...............

And this is some of the "relevant" information you claim the lay person can learn from? I CALL BS!!!!!



All of that info. is USELESS!!!!!! In one post you say you want to help get out relevant info. and in another post you are refering to snorting stuff. VERY hypocritical don't you think? Please go back to where you came from as the only thing I have learned from your posts is ummmm, welllllllll, ummmmmm........let me get back to you on that one. NOT!!!!

First off, try not quoting out of context.

Second off a new user to this forum now knows about AVSForum, Audioholics, and Hometheatershack. My opinion is the more sources the more you can learn. I think it is sad that some members here have the same opinion about all three sites. That is a very myopic view and homogeneous view of things.

Third why spend more on your electronics than you do your speakers. The single biggest way to improve sound is surprisingly enough 'buy better speakers'.

That whole car analogy was a just that, a good analogy. Maybe you didn't understand it? It was intended for the lay person to get an understanding of room conditions being the same regardless of the equipment in it.

Also, find a thread where every single post by every individual is 'spot on topic' after 5 pages. Yes my goals are to put unbiased and relevant information out there.

If you can find a post where I said you HAD to EQ vs others saying you should never EQ (which is poor advice) please be my guest.

Funny how you couldn't be bothered to quote the obviously erroneous replies. Nice try though...

hearingimpared

You are not only a stalking troll you are a psychopath.

F1nut

jinjuku wrote: »

I am really not all that worried, just received PM's at AH and AVSForum letting me knowing all the douchery that polksters are known for. Funny thing is they actually named a few specific polksters.

I guess your reputation does proceed you. Any ways there is enough information for an outsider to see what whacko's some of you are.

I participate in this thread not to have drama, but to put real and relevant information out there for someone that might not know better. The only problem is some of the 'know it all's' that really don't know what you think you know.

Enjoy your little club.

I've noticed that your type always goes postal and I would like to know if that is because all gear sounds the same to you and your friends?

Regardless, the entertainment value is priceless. Thanks for the laughs.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot......what is it with the, "just received PM's" thing with you guys? Do you really think that helps you somehow?

heiney9

F1nut wrote: »

I've noticed that your type always goes postal and I would like to know if that is because all gear sounds the same to you and your friends?

Regardless, the entertainment value is priceless. Thanks for the laughs.

Another funny thing is this thread isn't even his thread and the OP seems to be very satisfied with the info given despite Ju Ju's rants. I always get a kick and priceless entertainment from trolls like Ju Ju who have a meltdown in someone else's thread.

H9

jinjuku

F1nut wrote: »

I've noticed that your type always goes postal and I would like to know if that is because all gear sounds the same to you and your friends?

Regardless, the entertainment value is priceless. Thanks for the laughs.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot......what is it with the, "just received PM's" thing with you guys? Do you really think that helps you somehow?

Your welcome Mr. Lewis.

Sincerely,

D. Martin

george daniel

jinjuku wrote: »

I am really not all that worried, just received PM's at AH and AVSForum letting me knowing all the douchery that polksters are known for. Funny thing is they actually named a few specific polksters.

I guess your reputation does proceed you. Any ways there is enough information for an outsider to see what whacko's some of you are.

I participate in this thread not to have drama, but to put real and relevant information out there for someone that might not know better. The only problem is some of the 'know it all's' that really don't know what you think you know.

Enjoy your little club.

Gawd,,:eek: I hope that my name made it to the list.

polkapolka

Yes, as far as the placement goes, I am at the mercy of the room and my wife. The sound is pretty good. I have a nice center, I think, and am happy with it. It is more or less a few movies that were quite old that we had a hard time hearing very well. I can't remember them off hand.

I only know a little about room treatments. When people talk about room treatments, are they talking about acoustic wall hanging thingys? That is out of the question here, as my wife is an interior designer, and we live in a parsonage. That is, my wife is a pastor, and we live in the church-owned home. So, for those 2 reasons, it is not really an option for me:D!

Our hose is over 150 yrs old, so it is made with lath and plaster. Quite solid. The room is rectangular 16x20, with 3 1/2 walls enclosed, with just a half wall open on the longest inner wall.

I am going to run the MCACC again, as I am just learning some of the ins and outs of the system a little at a time. Although, I am fairly happy with the sound already.

Matt

sucks2beme wrote: »

Semper Fi! There are some valid points here from both the old hands and
Jinjuku. The problem with EQ is it's there if you need it, or don't need it.
If a song or movie is adjusted, you may find it works against you on
the next song or movie. There was a thread here recently where room treatment
is discussed. By fixing corner/wall problems with treatments,
the problem goes away forever. I know that for me having the system
on an outside wall is far better than having it against an inside wall.
The un-insulated inside walls on modern homes can resonate a great deal.
My last home was built better(late 50's built) due to 16" on center studs
on ALL walls, and double drywall (one layer horizontal, 2nd layer vertical).
Good gear doesn't have to cost a lot. Just do carefull shopping!.
A little craigslist or POLK flea market searching yields big returns.
As far as the dialogue goes, I fixed mine with a better center. My old
center seemed to come up short too often. I'd research centers,
try different room placement, maybe whip up some DIY sound treatments,
re-run the HT calibration, and give it a whirl.

comfortablycurt

F1nut wrote: »

Oh yeah, I almost forgot......what is it with the, "just received PM's" thing with you guys? Do you really think that helps you somehow?

I've noticed that too...it's pretty funny. A bunch of people that have been on the "desperate for attention" side of these recent arguments have mentioned all of these PM's they've gotten from CP members, and elsewhere, who support their side of the argument. How is this helping them out?

"There's a guy somewhere, but I can't tell you who he is or what he said, but he's on my side!!"

Yeah, that's a winner.:rolleyes:

jinjuku

polkapolka wrote: »

Yes, as far as the placement goes, I am at the mercy of the room and my wife. The sound is pretty good. I have a nice center, I think, and am happy with it. It is more or less a few movies that were quite old that we had a hard time hearing very well. I can't remember them off hand.

I only know a little about room treatments. When people talk about room treatments, are they talking about acoustic wall hanging thingys? That is out of the question here, as my wife is an interior designer, and we live in a parsonage. That is, my wife is a pastor, and we live in the church-owned home. So, for those 2 reasons, it is not really an option for me:D!

Our hose is over 150 yrs old, so it is made with lath and plaster. Quite solid. The room is rectangular 16x20, with 3 1/2 walls enclosed, with just a half wall open on the longest inner wall.

I am going to run the MCACC again, as I am just learning some of the ins and outs of the system a little at a time. Although, I am fairly happy with the sound already.

Matt

That type of wall construction will be fairly inert. In modern installations you are talking double dry wall with some form of absorptive glue application like green glue.

You could always try some wall treatments in the guise of art... Tough one when the Wife is involved:)

Let us know how your A/B listening goes.

Conradicles

He is very persistent...

treitz3

jinjuku wrote: »

That type of wall construction will be fairly inert. In modern installations you are talking double dry wall with some form of absorptive glue application like green glue.

You could always try some wall treatments in the guise of art... Tough one when the Wife is involved:)

Let us know how your A/B listening goes.

I have a suggestion for you. Keep your posts like this one. Talk about audio and not personalities, opinions and backlash toward senior members. Keep things just like this post from here on out and you will see the interaction between you and others change for the better.

treitz3

*prays*

dkg999

Ju Ju - your village called.

polkapolka

jinjuku wrote: »

That type of wall construction will be fairly inert. In modern installations you are talking double dry wall with some form of absorptive glue application like green glue.

You could always try some wall treatments in the guise of art... Tough one when the Wife is involved:)

Let us know how your A/B listening goes.

That is just what I was looking for. If you can just let some of the other things go and focus on helping people with information like this, I know I would benefit.

Thanks much,
Matt

jinjuku

polkapolka wrote: »

That is just what I was looking for. If you can just let some of the other things go and focus on helping people with information like this, I know I would benefit.

Thanks much,
Matt

This is a good read about Audyssey EQ on AVForums.com. Some of the improvements in the last 8-9 years in multi-point sound is amazing.

Hillbilly61

polkapolka wrote: »

What I have noticed is that during some dialogue scenes, it would be nice to have the ability to tweak it a little in order to hear more clearly what is being said. My wife has a specific request for this, as she misses some of the dialogue, particularly when there is a bunch of stuff going on, or when the movie wasn't recorded well initially.


Matt

I was catching up on this thread and missed the theatrics as they unfolded too. They are more entertaining when unfolding post by post! :rolleyes:

But to your statement above, it made me think that instead of equalization or room treatments, the problem might be your center channel. I recently swapped mine out because of dialog issues and the replacement made the problem go away.

jinjuku

Hillbilly61 wrote: »

I was catching up on this thread and missed the theatrics as they unfolded too. They are more entertaining when unfolding post by post! :rolleyes:

But to your statement above, it made me think that instead of equalization or room treatments, the problem might be your center channel. I recently swapped mine out because of dialog issues and the replacement made the problem go away.

I was wondering that also, but it seems that his CC is fine for the bulk of his material.

Sometimes the mastering to multichannel is just poor. I built the Zaph Audio ZDT3.5's. That center channel has 2X7" drivers, a 2" mid dome, and 3/4 titanium dome tweet. It's an awesome center channel, but on some movies they simply didn't do a great job encoding.

ben62670

Jin I am curious what is your age?

jinjuku

ben62670 wrote: »

Jin I am curious what is your age?

After this question and subsequent PM exchange another for my ignore list. Please reciprocate.

ben62670

A PM from our lovely JuJu

Re: Prior information...
Originally Posted by jinjuku
based on an earlier post by him, he was having issues with some passages in older movies. Most likely ones where they remastered their audio tracks.

What is your age?

Again you can't answer a simple question. Please don't PM me.
Thanks
Ben

Ben, I don't have to answer a single **** question that isn't on topic. Just because you ask doesn't mean you will get an answer.

How big are your mothers ****'s Ben? See you can't answer a 'simple' question.

I did a little digging and after the fact of participating here, finding you that the polk forum regulars are almost universally despised on about every forum out there.
__________________
Just because it seems to piss certain polksters off:
Emotiva, Emotiva, Emotiva. (Even though don't own any of their product).

JuJu if Club Polk is so despised why are you here? Please don't answer that question. It is obvious.
Again thanks
Ben