Official ICE CLUB rules..

cstmar01

I have the SC-05 and for me its a great AVR. The features and sound it has is amazing and really can't be beat for the price I paid (IMO). However the one thing that does bother me a tad, is that HDMI is only pass through and does not allow upconversion. This is probably one of the only things that annoys me. The only other is still with most AVR's is HDMI in HDMI only out. Just makes it frustrating when you use an older PJ that doesn't have HDMI or DVI and thus you have to run component video and play a SD DVD it displays it in SD which not a huge fan of. For me the Pio seemed a little lacking in terms of upconvert quality on this.
Overall the sound is fantastic. I really was impressed in how the unit sounds and the auto calibration makes it very easy to use.
The ICE amps do wonderfully for HT, however for music I would still prefer a 2 channel system with amp and pre compared to the AVR but thats my opinion.

mantis

cstmar01 wrote: »

I have the SC-05 and for me its a great AVR. The features and sound it has is amazing and really can't be beat for the price I paid (IMO). However the one thing that does bother me a tad, is that HDMI is only pass through and does not allow upconversion. This is probably one of the only things that annoys me. The only other is still with most AVR's is HDMI in HDMI only out. Just makes it frustrating when you use an older PJ that doesn't have HDMI or DVI and thus you have to run component video and play a SD DVD it displays it in SD which not a huge fan of. For me the Pio seemed a little lacking in terms of upconvert quality on this.
Overall the sound is fantastic. I really was impressed in how the unit sounds and the auto calibration makes it very easy to use.
The ICE amps do wonderfully for HT, however for music I would still prefer a 2 channel system with amp and pre compared to the AVR but thats my opinion.

I don't know any receiver that down converts HDMI to anything else. Upconversation the Pioneer does . From Composite to component to HDMI. One connection to your display , sounds like you need a projector upgrade , and connect any video devise you want.

Sherardp

mantis wrote: »

I don't know any receiver that down converts HDMI to anything else. Upconversation the Pioneer does . From Composite to component to HDMI. One connection to your display , sounds like you need a projector upgrade , and connect any video devise you want.

Agreed, that 720p projector is the weakest link his setup. 1080p projectors have really gone down in price. Time to pull that trigger.

mantis

Whats up all?
Had a slightly unproductive day, Felt I couldn't get one foot in front of the other so to speak. Weather is changing , cooler for the better for more time spent inside which is when I start digging back into my music collection.

My usual Artists I play for this time of year or when I'm slightly bummed about my day.
Loreena McKennitt is my favorite female singer by far. Years ago Barbra Streisand was until I found Loreena many years ago. One of my all time favorite songs by her is "Bonny Portmore". It's a relaxing song that brings me to a place I like to be. Another one is "Dante's Prayer". I play a mix of Dave , Steely , Al DI Meola and dip into Norah Jones ( yeah ok maybe I meant it as your thinking it LOL) Come Away with me on SACD.

I'm sitting there enjoying my system and decide to mess around with the modes and went "PCM DIRECT". This shuts off the MCACC and all things Phase. I had to sit up rewind a bit and sat in shock that my system sounded more dynamic and clear. The Piano in the background "POPPED" more. I turned back on MCACC and felt the entire musical experience closed up.
Ok my first reaction was" who effed with my system and why is it not working correctly" but I took a deep breath and sat back , turned back on PURE and listened.

I sat there got lost in the music and realized that my system was performing almost on the level of my Rotel / Dynaudio level. I had some of the depth and clarity I felt I lost when I went with a theater system. I also felt the ST's didn't have that detail up top that the Dynes did. Well my experience with my system tonight I feel the ST's are one hell of a speaker. The SC-07 needed to stretch it's legs and give me some raw power. It's a pleasant experience to hear your system sound like a higher end 2 channel system.

The chilly air , cold beer , music playing is making for a comeback in a not so good day.

On a side note you fellow Pioneer Elite ICE owners( I probably should post this in the ICE thread) when listening to music on Apple tv , cd player , SACD player or what have you , give PCM DIRECT a try and compare to a preset MCACC you have. I have 4 setup for different situations , really only use the one but I like to tinker and do some manual tuning as Auto mode to me feels like I'm not doing my part ( it's the Installer in me).

Let me know your opinions on your experience.

orrb_05

I want a club patch!

Help me choose between the SC-27 Elite and the SC-37 Elite.

Look forward to the input.

mantis

orrb_05 wrote: »

I want a club patch!

Help me choose between the SC-27 Elite and the SC-37 Elite.

Look forward to the input.

3D or Not 3D , Blu tooth Iphone control or no Blu tooth control.Pick one.

orrb_05

Now I'm all confused... too many options - decisions:D

mole'

can i join?

i haz one

mantis

orrb_05 wrote: »

Now I'm all confused... too many options - decisions:D

it's pretty easy once you get the features of each. The SC-27 does not do 3D or Blue Tooth control , The SC-37 does. You will pay more for the SC-37 as it's the newest model. Sound quality and everything else is exact.

So if you are planning on 3D , then get the SC-37 , if not save some money and get the SC-27 or even find a used SC-07

Joe08867

I have a Class D Amp in my Panasonic XR57 does that count.

I like this little receiver. It never fails to impress me with it's footprint to output power.

The Pioneer stuff is real nice too.

orrb_05

I was all geared up to pull the trigger on a brand new SC-27 until Newegg dropped a promo in my inbox this morning - so I can't be in the club now 'cause I went with the Yamaha RX-Z7. Hope it won't let me down.

mantis

Joe08867 wrote: »

I have a Class D Amp in my Panasonic XR57 does that count.

I like this little receiver. It never fails to impress me with it's footprint to output power.

The Pioneer stuff is real nice too.

Any ICE powered anything is fine , your in but you have to write some kind of review , please read the guidelines in the original post.

I'm looking forward to reading.

Dan (CEO)

mantis

orrb_05 wrote: »

I was all geared up to pull the trigger on a brand new SC-27 until Newegg dropped a promo in my inbox this morning - so I can't be in the club now 'cause I went with the Yamaha RX-Z7. Hope it won't let me down.

The RXZ7 is a fine receiver with good power. Depending on your speaker package , it should be a note worthy addition to your system. I have always liked Yamaha. For a while they went through a spell I wasn't comfortable with but they have been turning things around.

Sorry you can't join the club but it would be nice to read a review of your new RXZ7 when you get it installed

Joe08867

Alright here goes nothing, First let me apologize as i had the wrong model number in my head. I have the XR-45 not the XR-57. Honestly the only real difference is the look and lack of HDMI.

Joeys review of his Panasonic XR45,
First off let me start by saying I bought this receiver as a package deal or HTIB so to speak. I have had it for Several years now and I am still thoroughly satisfied with it's sound and functionality. Especially in the 6.1 Surround HT role it mainly plays.

So here goes. Let's start with what we have hooked to it. It came originally with a Panasonic DVD-F85K 5 disk changer that plays just about anything you stick in it except SACD's, which I only have a few of but use them as reference on my 2ch system. But that is another story entirely.

Back to the system, I use Monster Cables all around as I didn't know better when i bought them and for all intents and purposes they sound fine to me. All of the video cables are Monster M850 component and all the audio with the exception of the fiber optic link between the DVD and Receiver are M850I High Performance Stereo Audio Cable. The Optic is Interlink® Lightspeed Reference Fiber Optic Digital Cable. Speaker wire is Kimber Kable 4PR have always liked these cables and still would buy them today.

Back to the sound and functionality.
The receiver itself is pretty straight forward. It really gives you good control over the sound you here from the speakers in 2ch mode but is limited in surround except for distance and type. You loose Treble and Bass control in Surround mode. Setup is easy and straight forward. there is no microphone to run for setup so it goes by distance. You really have to measure out the sweet spot on this thing or it will throw the soundstage way off.

Now for the speakers. The original speakers were very tiny but clean sounding dual 3" two way speakers. And honestly for HT they sounded quite good. I have upgraded them to RM series Polks. RM8's for the front 3 and RM7's for the rear 3. Yes this system is 6.1 and i honestly prefer it to 7.1. At least in this room.

As far as power goes, here goes, This little guy rocks it. It has a ton of power for such a small footprint. It is almost completely noiseless and does not get harsh in the upper frequencies, like I have heard in other comparable receivers. I like playing CD's on the weekend at knock the house down volume levels and it has never gotten hot, to shrill and has never clipped. I know it is only rated at 100w but I would swear this thing puts out more like 125-150.

Now for my listening impression. For critical listening it is nice. Is it up to the ears of some of you audiophile out there? Probably not, but for everyday music and HT use it is great.

Pros: Nice look, cool running, Plenty of power for most. Solid bottom end that does not lack of support. Plenty of connections for almost anyone's needs except HDMI.

Cons: I will say it isn't quite as analog sounding as I would like but it also doesn't have that digital sound you get from some ICE stereos. It reproduces vocals with clear timber and tone and is very good at keeping Transient Response from smearing or muddying up the sound.

That last aspect is what sold me at the store. I brought my test DVD's at the time (Under Siege & Jurassic Park) to the store and played them on several systems including the latest and greatest Bose system. Even the store employee was impressed by the sound of it. It seems the only movie he had seen or heard through it was a Disney flick and we all know how tough they can be on a system. NOT!!!! I do like using the controls for speaker size for different things. In HT I like small fronts. For concert recordings I use Medium and for regular CD playback I use Large.

I will say the Sub they matched up to this thing is quite good. I am looking into getting a Polk Sub to match the rest of the system but for now this little guy is fine. It isn't one noted like all Bose and some Yamaha subs can be and the footprint is minuscule.

I have this whole mess hooked to a Panasonic Viera 42" Plasma that I love.

mantis

I figured I bring this back as some members are now ICE powered. If you would like to join the club , please leave a full review. Read the rules as you don't have to be a professional reviewer to post or join.

Thanks ,
mantis Official ICE CLUB President.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I'll be dropping a review of the SC-25 in a few days when I've had some more time with it.

WGDB

Dan,

Give me a few weeks and some time to experiment with my new SC35 and I'll post a review.

leroyjr1

Love the sound coming out of my Pioneet Elite sc-27 but I'm hoping they add more features in this years new model. Guess I'll have to wait and see.

AsSiMiLaTeD

What kind of features are you looking for?

AsSiMiLaTeD

I have a couple questions for you guys.

The main reason I bought the 25 was because I kept hearing from everyone how great the ICE amps are, but then it seems like more of you still use an external amp anyway?. So what's the point?

Is the preamp section in these that much better than the VSX models? I'm curious why you are buying this over the vsx if you're not going to be using the internal amps anyway.

For me this doesn't apply because I am using the internal amps in the SC, at least for quite some time. The main reason I bought mine is because we're downsizing a bit and I wanted to ditch my external amp and didn't think the vsx would really power my speakers to their fullest. Now you guys have got me nervous....

TroyD

Ice is for keeping the beer cold while you are listening to tubes.

BDT

punk-roc

I use my SC-25 to power my Rti8s, CSi5, and R15 surrounds and it works extremely well. I toy around with the idea of trying external amplification, just to see, but the SC-25 does the job so well it seems like a waste of time to get behind the cabinet and mess with stuff..

Jason

Joe08867

I don't mind ICE for my HT note my review in post #46 but prefer Tubes or SS for my 2ch.

Cmiller

ICE User here..SC-25..had it for about 3 months now,love everything about it..But i run a Adcom 7500 "thx certified" for my fronts Rti10's-Csi6 center and M60 rears.but i do use the "ICE" power for my back rear channel set-up and my dual subs,the SC-25 paired with the Adcom 7500 has a nice "warm" sound i was looking for..Wonderful sounding set-up i must say..I have 3 teenage boys ,and when they have friends come over,they all love watching movies @ my house,all the teenage friends say,i dont like to watch movies @ my house any more,the sound just sucks..haha

newrival

My Pio Elite VSX-84TXSi is ICE powered. Not completely sure how it compares to the SC's. I did have an SC in house once for a week, but didn't do any formal testing. Sounded almost identical. Had pretty much the same audio specs. I love W4S amps and EVS gear. That may be my next move, I just need to get some home to put up aainst my Class A/B stuff.

I can comment that ICE powered receivers sound an order of magnitude better than other variatons that I owned. I also think that ICE and similar variations will come along to usher in a "greener" audio lifestyle. I like my gear, but I'm a sustainability/conservation guy and it makes me kinda sick when I think about those super inefficient beasts sucking from the grid 24/7, nevermind those tube users out there... hehehe. I think ICE s the future, and I've heard some pretty stunning variations.

WGDB

WGDB's Official Pioneer SC 35 Review

My music listening background goes way bay to the mid 60's growing up in Florida, when my dad and mom used to dance around an old GE Tube reel to reel with what I believe was an 8 inch speaker. Dad used to fire it up on Friday and Saturday nights. A few years later Grandma moved in with us and brought her ?solid state? Silvertone stereo console with turn table. That was some hifi stuff. I can remember by the early 70's jamming to Carlos Santana and Buddy Miles, Deep Purple, and a new band called Led Zeppelin. From there I went on to install a relatively powerful 8 track tape player in dad's 62 Thunderbird. Many years later and long past the disco days of the 80's, I purchased a 2 channel Kenwood system that served my listening needs, in fact I still have that system in my shed for backyard BBQ tunes.

More recently (2007) I decided to delve into a Home theater system and bought a Sharp 46 flat screen, Sony STR-DG 920, a Sony BD player, and a Polk RM6750 surround speaker system. At once and at that moment I was hooked ~ line and sinker. I soon needed new speakers and began my E-bay - Polk Direct, and New Egg, quests for fronts, backs and a subwoofer. Bringing me to today.

I began letting my wife (the commander) know that there were serious drawbacks with the Sony, the core of our system. In fact, on several occasions she experienced these drawbacks first hand when the Sony suddenly went to Protection Mode. Usually in the middle of a great song, in front of a half a dozen partying people. Not cool.

I had been researching new AVR's systems for the last year and auditioned all at various locations here in the San Antonio Texas area. The Denon's sounded nice, the Onkyo's as well - but the day I auditioned the SC series Pioneers, I new from that moment I would replace my tired Sony with top end Pioneer ICE - SC something or other. It was just a matter of when.

I'm retired US Air Force and I work part time in tool sales. In March (last month) I topped sales and my employer graciously bonus-ed me just about enough money to purchase a brand new Pioneer SC 35. Admittedly, the commander was skeptical of spending serious coinage on something that she perceives as not priority, but since I had earned the bonus, she gave me the nod. Love this woman!

I ordered my SC 35 on E Bay for substantially less than all the authorized dealers and I included a Square Trade 3 year warranty for it as well. Last Thursday I received it midday and spent the next 7 - 8 hours setting it up. I used my existing 14 AWG oxygen free in wall speaker wires, existing speakers (Polk Monitor 60's, and 40's, PSW125) and installed a Cool-guys thermostatically controlled fan to allow for more ventilation. Also, left the front door off of the hand made oak cabinet for the Elite aesthetics, although the commander may ask that I reinstall and I may comply.

The SC 35 is massive weighing in at 44 pounds. By far the heaviest AVR I've ever owned. After bi-amping the fronts, and attaching backs with RatShack banana plugs (soon will be upgrading these), attached the Apple TVII to HDMI 2, Panasonic DMP-BD 85 to BD HDMI (Not Assignable), Squeezebox Touch to the "CD" coax, Sharp Flatscreen to HDMI 1, and finally the Sub line out. I was very excited (giddy to be exact) to hit the power button. MCACC Full Auto was a snap and automatically set the Monitor 60's, 40's, to "Large". Based on other reviews I've read I switched them all to "Small" and proceeded to switch the input toggle to CD which in my setup is "Squeezebox" then toggled to "Pure Direct", this turns off MCACC and the signal is unaltered. I needed to run something lossless and I selected some classic Dire Strait songs "Sultans of Swing" followed by "Money For Nothing", "Brothers in Arms" and finally Jimmy Lafave's "Never is a Moment" literally brought tears to my eyes. Lafave's piano is so pure even on a mediocre system, but this is top shelf sound quality. Although the monitor 60's struggled with LFE, they held there own. As I toggled through the various music listening modes I settled on "Ext Stereo" for the fuller LFE to the Sub. This mode with my speaker setup sounds phenomenal. On a side note, the Squeezebox doesn't interface with the flat screen. Turn the flat screen and go to MCACC to the "setup" allowing a full array of fine tuning to toggle the THX or Sub "Plus" "on" or "off" etc. Fine tuning while you listen, what a concept.

Movie night around here usually entails something the commander and I can share with our 5 year old daughter. So Yogi Bear on DTS-HD Blu-Ray it was. Once again, the Pioneer far exceeded my expectations and puts my old Sony to shame. The SC 35 and the Polk monitors all around seem very well suited for home theater. In addition, Yogi Bear is funny as hell !Heyyy Boobooo!!. Next, alone I watched Blu-Ray version of Pirates of the Caribbean "The Curse of the Black Pearl". Both the Panasonic DMP BD85, and the SC 35, sport quality DAC's and Video processors. It's difficult for me to say which processor's are in use at this point, but I was captivated like I had never seen this movie before.

I've only scratched the surface of the Pioneer SC 35, and as we all know, Polk Monitor series are low end by contrast to this AVR. So my trek down the proverbial Rabbit Hole continues. I've since reset the front 60's to "Large" and occasionally toggle the back 40's to "Large" just for grins - frankly not sure which sounds better, because both settings are absolutely perfect.

Not a day goes by where I don't learn something else that the SC 35 is capable of. I've run the MCACC Full auto at least 5 times changing this switch or that - Remarkably, even when it's not setup optimally, the SC 35 performs flawlessly and sound quality is expansive, airy, punchy, and otherwise the best I've ever heard. As others have said, and I wholeheartedly agree, the sound stage literally puts you in the room with the artist.

WGDB

Pioneer SC 35 Review

My music listening background goes way bay to the mid 60's growing up in Florida, when my dad and mom used to dance around an old GE Tube reel to reel with what I believe was an 8 inch speaker. Dad used to fire it up on Friday and Saturday nights. Wish I had it now. A few years later Grandma moved in with us and brought her "solid state" Silvertone stereo console with turn table. Us kids thought that was some hifi stuff. I can remember by the early 70's jamming to Carlos Santana and Buddy Miles, Deep Purple, and a new band called Led Zeppelin on vinyl through it. From there I went on to install a relatively powerful Realistic 8 track tape player with AM/FM tuner in Dad's 62 Thunderbird. Many years later and long past the disco days of the 80's, I purchased a 2 channel Kenwood system that served my listening needs - in fact I still have that system in my shed for backyard BBQ tunes.

More recently (2007) I decided to delve into a Home theater system and bought a Sharp 46 flat screen, Sony STR-DG 920, a Sony BD player, and a Polk RM6750 surround speaker system. At once and at that moment I was hooked ~ line and sinker. I soon needed new speakers and began my E-bay - Polk Direct, and New Egg, quests for fronts, backs and a subwoofer. Bringing me to today.

I began letting my wife (the commander) know that there were serious drawbacks with the Sony, the core of our system. In fact, on several occasions she experienced these drawbacks first hand when the Sony suddenly went to Protection Mode. Usually in the middle of a great song, in front of a half a dozen partying people. Not cool.

I had been researching new AVR's systems for the last year and auditioned all at various locations here in the San Antonio Texas area. The Denon's sounded nice, the Onkyo's as well - but the day I auditioned the SC series Pioneers, I new from that moment I would replace my tired Sony with top end Pioneer ICE - SC something or other. It was just a matter of when.

I'm retired US Air Force and I work part time in tool sales. In March (last month) I topped sales and my employer graciously bonus-ed me just about enough money to purchase a brand new Pioneer SC 35. Admittedly, the commander was skeptical of spending serious coinage on something that she perceives as not priority, but since I had earned the bonus, she gave me the nod. Love this woman!

I ordered my SC 35 on E Bay for substantially less than all the authorized dealers and I included a Square Trade 3 year warranty for it as well. Last Thursday I received it midday and spent the next 7 - 8 hours setting it up. I used my existing 14 AWG oxygen free in wall speaker wires, existing speakers (Polk Monitor 60's, and 40's, PSW125) and installed a Cool-guys thermostatically controlled fan to allow for more ventilation. Also, left the front door off of the hand made oak cabinet for the Elite aesthetics, although the commander may ask that I reinstall and I may comply.

The SC 35 is massive weighing in at 44 pounds. By far the heaviest AVR I've ever owned. After bi-amping the fronts, and attaching backs with RatShack banana plugs (soon will be upgrading these), attached the Apple TVII to HDMI 2, Panasonic DMP-BD 85 to BD HDMI (Not Assignable), Squeezebox Touch to the ?CD? coax, Sharp Flatscreen to HDMI 1, and finally the Sub line out. I was very excited (giddy to be exact) to hit the power button. MCACC Full Auto was a snap and automatically set the Monitor 60's, 40's, to ?Large?. Based on other reviews I've read I switched them all to ?Small? and proceeded to switch the input toggle to CD which in my setup is ?Squeezebox? then toggled to "Pure Direct", this turns off MCACC and the signal is unaltered. I needed to run something lossless and I selected some classic Dire Strait songs "Sultans of Swing" followed by "Money For Nothing", "Brothers in Arms" and finally Jimmy Lafave's "Never is a Moment" literally brought tears to my eyes. Lafave's piano is so pure even on a mediocre system, but this is top shelf sound quality. Although the monitor 60's struggled with LFE, they held there own. As I toggled through the various music listening modes I settled on "Ext Stereo" for the fuller LFE to the Sub. This mode with my speaker setup sounds phenomenal. On a side note, the Squeezebox doesn't interface with the flat screen. Turn the flat screen and go to MCACC to the "setup" allowing a full array of fine tuning to toggle the THX or Sub "Plus" "on" or "off" etc. Fine tuning while you listen, what a concept.

Movie night around here usually entails something the commander and I can share with our 5 year old daughter. So Yogi Bear on DTS-HD Blu-Ray it was. Once again, the Pioneer far exceeded my expectations and puts my old Sony to shame. The SC 35 and the Polk monitors all around seem very well suited for home theater. In addition, Yogi Bear is funny as hell !Heyyy Boobooo!!. Next, alone I watched Blu-Ray version of Pirates of the Caribbean "The Curse of the Black Pearl". Both the Panasonic DMP BD85, and the SC 35, sport quality DAC's and Video processors. It's difficult for me to say which processor's are in use at this point, but I was captivated like I had never seen this movie before.

I've only scratched the surface of this Pioneer SC 35, and as we all know, Polk Monitor series are low end by contrast to this AVR. So my trek down the proverbial Rabbit Hole continues. I've since reset the front 60's to "Large" and occasionally toggle the back 40's to "Large" just for grins - frankly not sure which sounds better, because both settings are absolutely perfect.

Not a day goes by where I don't learn something else that the SC 35 is capable of. I've run the MCACC Full auto at least 5 times changing this switch or that - Remarkably, even when it's not setup optimally, the SC 35 performs flawlessly and sound quality is expansive, airy, punchy, and otherwise the best I've ever heard. As others have said, and I wholeheartedly agree, the sound stage literally puts you in the room with the artist.

mantis

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I have a couple questions for you guys.

The main reason I bought the 25 was because I kept hearing from everyone how great the ICE amps are, but then it seems like more of you still use an external amp anyway?. So what's the point?

Is the preamp section in these that much better than the VSX models? I'm curious why you are buying this over the vsx if you're not going to be using the internal amps anyway.

For me this doesn't apply because I am using the internal amps in the SC, at least for quite some time. The main reason I bought mine is because we're downsizing a bit and I wanted to ditch my external amp and didn't think the vsx would really power my speakers to their fullest. Now you guys have got me nervous....

No need to be nervous , the ICE amps in the 25 can drive most speakers extremely well. I had a Rotel RMB1095 which is a monster of a power amp and I compared it directly to the ICE amps and I was completely shocked how well the ICE amps did. I had my Dynaudio Audience 82's at that time and they are a very demanding speaker at 87db @4ohms. When I first got my SC-07 the goal was just to use it as a preamp. The preamp section is excellent and at that time I could not find a better replacement for my rsp1068 preamp. I got up the balls one day to try the ICE amps on the Dynes and I could not believe how well they sounded and performanced. Honesly there was little difference between the 2 amps. I actually thought the ICE amps performed note for note.
Today I run Def Tech Mythos ST's and they sing on the ICE amps. They are easy to drive at 93DB@8 ohms so no challenge for the ICE amps. I run them large and also use LFE in on both speakers.

kevhed72

Anyone know where in the ATL area to go to have the Dolby Digital firmware update for the SC-05 to get rid of the audio "drop-outs". From what I remember, you have to go into an authorized service center...

toucanet

kevhed72 wrote: »

Anyone know where in the ATL area to go to have the Dolby Digital firmware update for the SC-05 to get rid of the audio "drop-outs". From what I remember, you have to go into an authorized service center...

This (authorized Pioneer service center) company recently repaired my SC-27 and did a good job.
http://www.neiusa.com/