Emotiva Story.

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

What other "amps" have you heard compared to your Emo (besides the Odyssey). What design topologies have you decided to learn about to make an educated decision about what to buy? What truly high end components have you researched and listened to make such an absurd statement.

Seriously? Right so im going to take the time to type every amp i have heard AND tried on my system. Even if it did impress you, you would come up with some sort of response to try and beat me down or call me a liar so what the heck is the point? I have heard every amp topology on the market. There are also many amps i have not tried on the market and would still love to try out. Whats the difference between me and you? I actually allow products a chance and dont just write off everything i think is "below me".

I also allow people the chance to make up their mind about a product. I dont try to shove it into peoples heads that it's junk and act like im doing them a favor, but come back after all that and say "but give it a chance if you want". I have been very defensive about emotiva on this board because its people like you who are so terribly misinformed about them trying to take little stabs at them for no other reason than your own fun and games. And i have NEVER said emotiva is the end all amp. In fact many times i have said its not. I also dont always recommend emotiva. So push your arrogance and elitist attitude aside and actually allow people to have a decent conversation about this.

heiney9

LessisNevermore wrote: »

:D

H9, I have never seen bigred claim Emo to be the end-all of anything in this thread, or anywhere else.

Never said he did.

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

Never said he did.

you sure as heck implied it in this response to me.

"Those that trying to convince they are the next best thing since sliced bread.......get out and experience some audio gear......you can thank me later"

No one has even said Emotiva is the best thing since sliced bread. We are just defending it against arrogant elitists like yourself

heiney9

bigred7078 wrote: »

Seriously? Right so im going to take the time to type every amp i have heard AND tried on my system. Even if it did impress you, you would come up with some sort of response to try and beat me down or call me a liar so what the heck is the point? I have heard every amp topology on the market. There are also many amps i have not tried on the market and would still love to try out. Whats the difference between me and you? I actually allow products a chance and dont just write off everything i think is "below me".

I also allow people the chance to make up their mind about a product. I dont try to shove it into peoples heads that it's junk and act like im doing them a favor, but come back after all that and say "but give it a chance if you want". I have been very defensive about emotiva on this board because its people like you who are so terribly misinformed about them trying to take little stabs at them for no other reason than your own fun and games. And i have NEVER said emotiva is the end all amp. In fact many times i have said its not. I also dont always recommend emotiva. So push your arrogance and elitist attitude aside and actually allow people to have a decent conversation about this.

WOW.............you've read ALOT into my posts. I also stated several times about my responses not being elitist or arrogant. I also never personally attacked you...........I see you seem to relish in attacking me.

I even threw out an olive branch admitting that the rhetoric had gotten out of control, but you seem intent on continuing this rampage for Emo and against everyone who might question the brand and it's position in the market place.

Glad your happy with your Emotiva gear, rock on and don't take things so seriously..... you are getting wat to bent out of shape considering this is an internet forum........and people like to push buttons ;)

heiney9

bigred7078 wrote: »

you sure as heck implied it in this response to me.

"Those that trying to convince they are the next best thing since sliced bread.......get out and experience some audio gear......you can thank me later"

No one has even said Emotiva is the best thing since sliced bread. We are just defending it against arrogant elitists like yourself

Apparently you think you are part of "those". Never said you or anyone else specifically........if the shoe fits.......

metal83

Wow, this is one of the most active threads i've seen in quite a while, considering it's only a little over a day old. It definitely seems to have run it's course though, apparently opinions differ greatly, and it's basically all subjective. It's just a shame to see people chastise Emotiva over ads and pricing, when they have clearly never even physically seen, touched, or most importantly heard their products.

But it is what it is i guess, and to each his own...:)

Have fun!

reeltrouble1

yawn................

scratches self.

hears echo

nothing new, groundhog day.

RT1

polkatese

can we talk about Gemstone Blue Diamond amp now? I bet no one has heard about it either, hah.

F1nut

bigred7078 wrote: »

If you believe that being around "long enough" makes you all knowing than you are truly foolish.

Hilarious.

megasat16

Those who knows know. Those who don't know don't know. Those who doesn't know they don't know don't know about it (so they argue).

Those who have read it knows it. Those who didn't read it don't know it. So, no arguments needed there.

Those who knows what can exist and what can't will simply disagree with over the top claims. It doesn't mean BASHING, or hate or subjective comment.

EMO lovers boys! I don't say your EMO doesn't rock. Nothing to say about EMO stuff. Play Music Loud on Your EMO gears and be proud. :cool::p;)

FYI, this is my last post in this thread. :)

metal83

Can't we all just get along? :D

By the way, the Emotiva XPA-3 is my first amp, so i can't and won't say it's better or worse than anything else. It sounds great to me, but i have nothing to compare it with yet. I'd honestly love to try out other brands and see how they compare. That's part of the fun!!!!

bigred7078

heiney9 wrote: »

WOW.............you've read ALOT into my posts. I also stated several times about my responses not being elitist or arrogant. I also never personally attacked you...........I see you seem to relish in attacking me.

I even threw out an olive branch admitting that the rhetoric had gotten out of control, but you seem intent on continuing this rampage for Emo and against everyone who might question the brand and it's position in the market place.

Glad your happy with your Emotiva gear, rock on and don't take things so seriously..... you are getting wat to bent out of shape considering this is an internet forum........and people like to push buttons ;)

Think what you want man..

And im no more bent out of shape then yourself that claims to care less about emotiva but has spent alot of time in this thread with post after post.

fossy

:D

If someone wants to send me some EMO --- I'd try it out

specifically the RSP-2

parasomia

This thread gives me Anxiety

Seriously though, there will always be people that Like or Dislike a product. Not much you can do about that besides say "F' off, I like what I got".

I bought the XPA-3 because I needed something to power the Lsi9's and I certainly had a budget. It is performing amazing for me. Even if I could have spent more I probably would Not have went much higher. That is just me though. I'm no expert on all of this. I know that. But my ears have been listening to sound since I was born.. and they ain't complaining :P I'm quite pleased and that is what it really comes down to.

I run 2 Alpine amps in my car powering some Polk MoMo's and an Alpine sub. Those amps weren't expensive either and I'm quite pleased with their performance as well. It has been said on here many times that more money doesn't = greatness. It is just up to the individual.

*shrugs

Erik Tracy

If it helps to deflect the angst - you can pile on my pos 'thumpy' Carver M1.0-t ...:D

I have a thick skin....:p

cnh

Hey,

Let's all relax. They're only amps after all. No sense in coming to blows over all this. There are amps that cost 10s of thousands out there and there are great amps that cost much less.

I heard a 10k amp once that really s....d! A lot of us realize that the subjectivity involved in high end audio is unbelievable! And that some prices are just obscene and unwarranted. Names for the sake of names. Is there Elitism...sure! But that's not what we're here for.

I thought we were hear to share and learn from each other? No? I'm sold Emotivas are good amps in their range. Are there better, well I don't really see that Heiney and Bigred are even disagreeing with each other?

So I think we're OK here. No?

cnh

Lowell_M

Erik Tracy wrote: »

If it helps to deflect the angst - you can pile on my pos 'thumpy' Carver M1.0-t ...:D

I have a thick skin....:p

Carvers suck and that company will never last. :mad:


(how was that?:rolleyes:)

george daniel

Tubes Rule

Oops,, wrong thread,, sorry.:o

Erik Tracy

a_mattison wrote: »

Carvers suck and that company will never last. :mad:


(how was that?:rolleyes:)

It stung...momentarily...then it passed

I do love the way the leds dance up and down to the music - if anything I get some visual entertainment out of ol 'thumpy'

Marty913

I'm out, both reading and responding. It's gotten pointless and personal.

It's like Spanky and Alfalfa down at the He Man Woman Haters Club.

cfrizz

JHC! I sign out last night with 3 pages & check in today to see it's up to 7!

It really is quite simple. Emo is a good product for a great price that allows people with limited budgets get their first real taste of what separates can add to a system.

Is there better out there? Of course there is. Can you get something that is perceived as better (BECAUSE OF IT'S NAME) for around the same money? Of course if you are willing to buy used. Some are not willing to do so, and that is just fine.

If you have moved on to higher end gear, that is just fine, congrats & enjoy. There really isn't a need for you to put Emo down just because you have moved on to something more expensive.

If you haven't tried ANY Emo gear or higher end gear...then WTF is your problem?

As stated before ALL electronics manufacturers run into problem INCLUDING the "Name" companies.

We are ALL adults here & can most likely tell when something is a bunch of hyperbole advertising. That in NO way suggest that said product is NOT what is, or NOT do what it's supposed to do.

As the old saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, say nothing. Let those who have purchased Emo gear & are reaping the rewards of better sound enjoy it. And also let them spread the word that it offers a very good improvement for reasonable money.

That should be the whole point, getting improved sound regardless of the name on the damn box or how much money was or wasn't spent!

fossy

marty913 wrote: »

it's like spanky and alfalfa down at the he man woman haters club.

now that's funny, don't care who ya are .....

broncsrule21@

Thanks cfrizz. i think you said it all.

Polk fanboy out!

Lowell_M

Erik Tracy wrote: »

It stung...momentarily...then it passed

I do love the way the leds dance up and down to the music - if anything I get some visual entertainment out of ol 'thumpy'

I friend of mine had a M1.0t and I considered getting one just because I got a kick out of the led's

Systems

Obviously the country of origin and direct sales help Emo keep the pricing low but from the pics I have seen of some of their models the parts quality looks to be quite respectable for the asking price.
Film caps abound ,big toroids,tons of filter capacitance and they use the excellent BJT output transistors sourced from ON Semi who also happen supply the likes of Krell,Bryston and Marsh.

Ofcourse parts quality is only part of the story,the circuit design(topology) and board layout are extremely important. The first real hi fi amp I owned was the classic NAD 3020B integrated circa 85.It was inexpensive and built like a piece of crap with very low quality parts but it was sonically superior to better built amps cost many times more.Bjorn Erik Edvardsen the designer did a brilliant job engineering the circuit to sound good despite the poor parts quality..

The right ingredients appear to be there for a skilled designer to make a good sounding amp.On the other hand just because it uses the same (or atleast similar)output transistors as Bryston doesn't mean it will have the same neutral and transparent True Reference SQ as Stuart Taylor squeezed out of the SST's.

In fact they use a triple darlington output stage in some models.While this configuration has excellent low impedance drive capability it is not known as the most neutral sounding approach.
I would also wonder about long term reliability which can be an issue with asian built product.Also does it need aggressive protection circuits to protect it from itself?(like a well known Class D amp):D


Anyway if it happens to sound good and proves to be reliable then congrats to them.


just my $.02

bartimus

McIntosh, Krell, Mark Levinson, EMO, Carver...hell give me my Emerson and Kraco system, a bud light and a pack of filterless camels....it dont get no better than that.:eek:


Seriously, I never heard anything from EMO. I have heard a really nice sounding pair of Krells that cost more than a nice car, and weighed nearly as much as one, but come on....if someone likes a particular brand of amp, and likes the company that sells it...dont bash em. I'll tell you, the same day I listened to those Krells...I also listened to a set of Adcom monos hooked up to the same speakers and had a VERY tough time telling any difference. Maybe an extended listening period would reveal some minor differences, but for the cost difference...I'd buy the Adcoms. I have frequented the Emotiva web site and wonder if their claims are warranted, but I can tell you this...the minute I scrounge up another $800...there is going to be a new XP2 sitting in my rack! Then I can decide for myself what I think and who gives a flying f**k what others think.:D

comfortablycurt

metal83 wrote: »

No, you don't want them to fail, you just have no problem bashing them apparently, because that's what other people are doing, so why not fit in right...:rolleyes:

Again...no one is bashing them. Just saying that they aren't the "best thing since sliced bread" that a lot of people make them out to be.

So Emotiva products are for less fortunate people now, basically is what your saying? :rolleyes:

Not at all...but some people aren't willing to spend as much as others, and don't want to buy used. For those people, Emo is one of the best options out there. It's not for "less fortunate" people, but for the people that don't want to spend as much.

Ok, you haven't completely ruled them out, i could of sworn you basically said you had somewhere in this long but ridiculous thread.

I never ruled them out, simply stated that I probably wouldn't be going with them now.

Best bang for the buck, and best bang that fits in your price range, are essentially the same thing you know. Aren't we all trying to get the best bang for the buck with anything we buy, not just audio equipment?

They aren't at all the same thing. Emo is likely the best bang for the buck, if you're looking to buy a NEW product, while spending the least amount of money possible.

Just because it's the best bang for the buck, doesn't mean that it's the best bang for my buck. I'm willing to spend more than Emotivas prices on amps when it comes time to get amps for my HT setup, and I don't mind buying used equipment. My price range for a 5-channel HT amp is going to be somewhere in the 1200ish range, when I'm ready to make that jump. For 1200 dollars, I can do much better than Emotiva from what I've seen. Especially when you consider that an amp that goes for 1200 dollars used, was likely in the 2000ish range when new. There is a lot of truth to the saying "you get what you pay for".

There's obviously a lot of subjectivity when it comes to this subject.

A lot still remains to be seen with Emo too. How do their products stand the test of time? No one really knows yet at this point.

Face

Curt, do you like to argue for the sake of arguing?

metal83

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Again...no one is bashing them. Just saying that they aren't the "best thing since sliced bread" that a lot of people make them out to be.

Some people definitely seem to be bashing them, but i honestly don't really care, it doesn't make me enjoy my XPA-3 any less.

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Not at all...but some people aren't willing to spend as much as others, and don't want to buy used. For those people, Emo is one of the best options out there. It's not for "less fortunate" people, but for the people that don't want to spend as much.

Agreed.

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I never ruled them out, simply stated that I probably wouldn't be going with them now.

No skin off my back, to each his own...:p

comfortablycurt wrote: »

They aren't at all the same thing. Emo is likely the best bang for the buck, if you're looking to buy a NEW product, while spending the least amount of money possible.

Just because it's the best bang for the buck, doesn't mean that it's the best bang for my buck. I'm willing to spend more than Emotivas prices on amps when it comes time to get amps for my HT setup, and I don't mind buying used equipment. My price range for a 5-channel HT amp is going to be somewhere in the 1200ish range, when I'm ready to make that jump. For 1200 dollars, I can do much better than Emotiva from what I've seen. Especially when you consider that an amp that goes for 1200 dollars used, was likely in the 2000ish range when new. There is a lot of truth to the saying "you get what you pay for".

Best bang for the buck, is best bang for the buck. It's all personal opinion no matter how much bang your getting for the buck you're willing to spend. This phrase can be applied to anything, not just Emo.

comfortablycurt wrote: »

There's obviously a lot of subjectivity when it comes to this subject.

A lot still remains to be seen with Emo too. How do their products stand the test of time? No one really knows yet at this point.

Agreed.

And just to clarify, i'm no Emotiva fanboy or anything. This is my first amp and it sounds great to me, so of course i'm going to be excited about it. But that doesn't mean i think it's the best out there, or the end all be all of amps.

Honestly, i'd love to try out some other amps just to compare for myself and get some more experience. I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun, and i'm sure i'll try others eventually.



Wow, i should of just stayed out of this thread, way too much drama!!! :eek::eek::eek:

comfortablycurt

Face wrote: »

Curt, do you like to argue for the sake of arguing?

Absolutely, it's my favorite thing in the world.;)

metal83 wrote: »

Wow, i should of just stayed out of this thread, way too much drama!!! :eek::eek::eek:

That's what I'm thinking...lol

Seriously though, I can't wait to get my ears on an Emo to see what all the hype is about. They're obviously a great performing amp, especially for the money. With how many happy customers they have, they must have something good going.

There's supposed to be an XPA-5 at the next RAS meeting, and I'll be there, so hopefully soon I'll get my ears on some Emo equipment.

Good to hear you're enjoying your amp though, that's what it's all about. If you're enjoying it, then it was money very well spent.:)