Crazy lady and I need help. Please!

Face

Brett, you should go over there and take care of her for Tom. If you can't scare her, I don't think anyone can.

Face

Willow wrote: »

does she go out and check the mail? if she does send her a letter from the HOA stating they are going to call Animal control as the animal is being mistreated due to the living conditions. Urine and filth not to mention the noise

Mail fraud is a federal offense.

concealer404

Face wrote: »

Mail fraud is a federal offense.

OP has been working with the HOA...

Mike682

Sounds like this woman is mentally ill and is receiving minimal, if any professional support. Since there is a noted mental disability, you will not get much (if any)information on her, such as her current diagnosis, meds, supports, etc.

Based on the info in the thread: rarely leaves house (how does she get food, etc.), screaming, never answers the door, cops rarely go in the house, family rarely visits, few if any observed visits from a social worker-case worker, etc., you could try your local adult protective services and report a possible neglect claim. Give them a call and describe what you see and feel and your concern for her health and well-being.

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/aging/ombud/ombabuse.htm

everpress

madmax wrote: »

Set up a pa system, set up a tape loop which replays a second or two later everything it records, aim the speaker at the house and turn it up. I've been thinking about doing this for a barking dog. Should freak her out if she can hear it.

Does she see birds too?

Actually, she can't really complain then that you play music loud, could be a good thing.

I like this idea, except record her voice and play it back at the same level in the direction of her house. If she's really crazy, imagine how weirded out she'll be when she hears her own voice blaring at her about some **** she was ranting about a few minutes ago....

Willow

Face wrote: »

Mail fraud is a federal offense.

concealer404 wrote: »

OP has been working with the HOA...

Not only is the OP working with, he is also VP of the HOA. So it's not fraud.

Face

Sorry, I should have re-read the thread. Regardless, it sounds like he's SOL.

Willow

Face wrote: »

Sorry, I should have re-read the thread. Regardless, it sounds like he's SOL.

I think so as well. Sorry OP.

treitz3

brettw22 wrote: »

If y'all are bitching about it 9 months later and haven't done anything to get it resolved, that's ridiculous..........

No, what's ridiculous is that we are very limited in what we can do. Both as a board and as homeowners. The latest plan of attack is documenting [all of the neighbors] when she has her little fits and what she is talking about. Every time. When it gets incredibly loud, angry and obnoxious , we will videotape and record the rant, noting the time and date. We will also be recording the db levels.

We will obtain a printout and 3 separate case #'s of all of the times officers have been out [well over 80 times, so many I don't keep track anymore] and this will show that it's an ongoing problem.

Next, we have to go as a community and present all of this to a judge. If, and I do mean "if", the judge agrees that we have a case then he will issue a summons for her to appear in court. If she doesn't show up, then they have the right to issue a warrant for her arrest. She might want to answer the door at that point.

Now, here's the kicker. Since she has a court recognized mental disorder, the judge [may be a different judge] has the right to throw it out. At that point we are back to square one.

You got a suggestion to what we can legally do? I'm all ears. As a board, we can't do anything because her mom is current on all her bills. The captain of the police force says that his hands are tied and that the officers have no rights to anything but knock on the door......even when she's on one of her anger rants with 5 cop cars and 6 officers at 3 in the morning. We can not or have not been able to get her mental case workers information and we can not prove animal abuse. For some reason, the law says that we can't shoot her either. So, what would you do?

shack

treitz3 wrote:

So, what would you do?

Move. F the economy, job, etc... Life is simply too short to put up with crap you can do nothing about.

Mike682

treitz3 wrote: »

You got a suggestion to what we can legally do? I'm all ears.

We can not or have not been able to get her mental case workers information and we can not prove animal abuse

Honestly, if the family will not talk, try calling APS as I noted in post #65 in this thread;)

If she has a disability, you will not have access to her mental disability info/services..only her legal guardian/parent has that privilege.

everpress

treitz3 wrote: »

No, what's ridiculous is that we are very limited in what we can do. Both as a board and as homeowners. The latest plan of attack is documenting [all of the neighbors] when she has her little fits and what she is talking about. Every time. When it gets incredibly loud, angry and obnoxious , we will videotape and record the rant, noting the time and date. We will also be recording the db levels.

We will obtain a printout and 3 separate case #'s of all of the times officers have been out [well over 80 times, so many I don't keep track anymore] and this will show that it's an ongoing problem.

Next, we have to go as a community and present all of this to a judge. If, and I do mean "if", the judge agrees that we have a case then he will issue a summons for her to appear in court. If she doesn't show up, then they have the right to issue a warrant for her arrest. She might want to answer the door at that point.

Now, here's the kicker. Since she has a court recognized mental disorder, the judge [may be a different judge] has the right to throw it out. At that point we are back to square one.

You got a suggestion to what we can legally do? I'm all ears. As a board, we can't do anything because her mom is current on all her bills. The captain of the police force says that his hands are tied and that the officers have no rights to anything but knock on the door......even when she's on one of her anger rants with 5 cop cars and 6 officers at 3 in the morning. We can not or have not been able to get her mental case workers information and we can not prove animal abuse. For some reason, the law says that we can't shoot her either. So, what would you do?

There has to be something. Mental disability or not she's not within the law if she is causing disturbances. Mental disability is not above the law. If there isn't anything that can be done criminally, perhaps a civil suit is in order.
I'm sure that you could pool the HOA together for some kind of wrong doing on her part or the part of her mother/caretaker. If not, I bet you can get someone there to, with just and rightful cause, sue for mental anguish.
No one signed up to live next to a mental institution, I'm sure parents don't feel safe with that behavior/language around their children, and it could very well be driving the value of property in that neighborhood down.

nadams

You've got a HOA... aren't you supposed to be able to kick people out of their houses for leaving their hose on too long?

Face

nadams wrote: »

You've got a HOA... aren't you supposed to be able to kick people out of their houses for leaving their hose on too long?

I know, right. These are the same people who complain if your Christmas lights are up a week too long.

CTTE

Mike682 wrote: »

Sounds like this woman is mentally ill and is receiving minimal, if any professional support. Since there is a noted mental disability, you will not get much (if any)information on her, such as her current diagnosis, meds, supports, etc.

Based on the info in the thread: rarely leaves house (how does she get food, etc.), screaming, never answers the door, cops rarely go in the house, family rarely visits, few if any observed visits from a social worker-case worker, etc., you could try your local adult protective services and report a possible neglect claim. Give them a call and describe what you see and feel and your concern for her health and well-being.

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/aging/ombud/ombabuse.htm

Mike682 has your answer.

I've dealt with a similar situation. After trying for months to take care of the problem through other options, a call to Adult Protective Services got it resolved.

TNRabbit

I feel for you Tom. If it's any consolation, I'd GLADLY trade my ex to have your b*tch next door...

SolidSqual

Adult Protective SErvices! Best answer yet!

treitz3

She finally got hauled off tonight. After 5 to 7 cop cars got here and a lot of discussion and door banging [4 hours worth], she got hauled off. That doesn't mean that in the AM she'll still be gone, but that's twice now that she got the "Go to jail card". That's more progress than we have seen in a LONG time.

Tonight was the first night we found out her mother's phone number. Tonight was the first night her mom came out and pleaded for her to come out........"that they were not going to harm her"...according to her mom. I have a feeling this will be the last time this will happen.

disneyjoe7

The woman isn't in her right mind, sad too see I actually feel for her. And of cause feel for her neighbors, those people need to be someone outside of main stream life.

sTiLlLeArNiNg

Hopefully they wil get this woman the help she need's so that she can stop causing problem's for your neighbourhood

Face

Is she home yet?

SKsolutions

Quickly paint the front of the house and change the number. . . ask her how the move was.

bigaudiofanatic

All I can think of is move lol

kevhed72

Dig a hole / trap in her front yard while she is gone, cover with a tarp and then leaves and grass, then place a replica / stuffed animal that looks like her little dog on top. I think you get the idea....

treitz3

Face wrote: »

Is she home yet?

Surprisingly, no. Not yet. The neighborhood is actually quiet.

apphd

Enjoy it, and hope it lasts. Too bad it came to this, but probably better for her in the long run, and better for you and your neighbors all the way around.

disneyjoe7

sksolutions wrote: »

quickly paint the front of the house and change the number. . . Ask her how the move was.

lol:)

Jstas

She's probably locked up in a crisis unit while mental health practitioners try to work with her about what's going on. If she's really that messed up, she'll get carted off to a long-term facility. Especially if her parent has put her in there. But if this isn't the first time this has happened, the state has likely mandated evaluation and her release is pending the outcome of that evaluation.

If further treatment is recommended, she will not be released on her own and she will either have to go live with a parent or some designated guardian until her prescribed treatment period is up or, if no guardian is available, she will become a ward of the state and carted off to the state hospital for her treatment.

Then again, just because her treatment period is up doesn't mean she will be released. That depends on what the doctors say.

If she comes back and is unattended then somebody needs to do something about getting her the help she needs. Who, I dunno but it's clear she isn't well and the system has failed her.

And yes, most states operate that way when dealing with people who are mentally ill. Don't ask me how I know, just understand that my experience is in depth.

treitz3

Well, I have her mom's phone number now. The next time the cops hit the property, I will have them call her again as this is the most action I've seen in years. Apparently, she is only about 10 minutes away. She [crazy lady] is still not back as of late.

Jstas

treitz3 wrote: »

Well, I have her mom's phone number now. The next time the cops hit the property, I will have them call her again as this is the most action I've seen in years. Apparently, she is only about 10 minutes away. She [crazy lady] is still not back as of late.

That's the best approach because her mother will have access to medical records that the cops are not allowed to have access to without a search warrant. And even then, they will have to jump through some serious hoops because of the HIPAA laws.