Why is MIT cables better?
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hmmm...........well Ricardo as well.
RT1 is kinda like that Poltergeist in your closet, I already know what scares anti hi-fi audio insurgents.
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If I ever get sent to the corner, can I stand and play in my SDA sweet spot instead ??
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inspiredsports wrote: »If I ever get sent to the corner, can I stand and play in my SDA sweet spot instead ??
Can I play with Jesse's S1 too? please pretty please, with sugar on top please.I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie. -
the instructions were for you to rest your neck and play with yourself, I am sure this has a different meaning for each of you.
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I need visual aids and sensory stimulus to play with myself before I can have a happy ending.I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
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LOL! awww.....my eyes...
I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie. -
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true if not for RT1's generosity in letting polkies try out some cables. Would we even be having this discussion right now?
No you correct, S3-MIT interconnect wires win. I'll play with them tomorrow to replace to see what each cable is doing for me.
Not sure I understand how they work, or why I like them but I do.
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They just sound real good and there is magic in the boxes.
That's good enough for me.I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D -
disneyjoe7 wrote: »No you correct, S3-MIT interconnect wires win. I'll play with them tomorrow to replace to see what each cable is doing for me.
Excellent Steve, I have heard them with the Parasound and they do have nice synergy. As a matter of fact I would say Parasound and MIT are a great step into hi-fi magic, not suprised to see you digging the sound with your rig and I would bet your highs sound a little sweeter as well as the MIT do a good job in bringing out the crispness in the RTi line without any etching in the treble.
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Steve,
Getting back to your post question. Well, of course there are the network boxes which are of course a filter of sorts, now you can never add something to a signal just remove unwanted things, MIT keeps the box make-up close to the vest but you can read on the website about the articulation points, now the make up of the wire is important as well. You should note MIT does not use any silver, you see silver is known to attentuate the treble frequencies, you often see owners of silver cables state when they first heard them in their rig they sounded etchy/harsh/forward/bright pick your word, as the cables burn in a bit the effect is reported to lessen or at the very least it becomes "normal" to the listener and less distracting.
Now although silver delivers the highs it is known to be a poor conducter for the lower bass frequencies, given the boxes and copper wire improved bass response is often first noted by folks who begin using MIT cables.
As you found out, there is certainly something going on.
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reeltrouble1 wrote: »Steve,
Getting back to your post question. Well, of course there are the network boxes which are of course a filter of sorts, now you can never add something to a signal just remove unwanted things, MIT keeps the box make-up close to the vest but you can read on the website about the articulation points, now the make up of the wire is important as well. You should note MIT does not use any silver, you see silver is known to attentuate the treble frequencies, you often see owners of silver cables state when they first heard them in their rig they sounded etchy/harsh/forward/bright pick your word, as the cables burn in a bit the effect is reported to lessen or at the very least it becomes "normal" to the listener and less distracting.
Now although silver delivers the highs it is known to be a poor conducter for the lower bass frequencies, given the boxes and copper wire improved bass response is often first noted by folks who begin using MIT cables.
As you found out, there is certainly something going on.
RT1
Sir,
Did you mean that silver 'accentuates' the treble -hence making them brighter?
Attenuate, to me, means a decrease.
Just trying to accurately keep up with this interesting discussion.
Respectfully,
Erik
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Yeah, that's what he meant.Political Correctness'.........defined
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thanks Erik, good catch.
Sometimes only F1 can decipher my meanings, kinda scary isnt it???
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reeltrouble1 wrote: »Steve,
Getting back to your post question. Well, of course there are the network boxes which are of course a filter of sorts, now you can never add something to a signal just remove unwanted things, MIT keeps the box make-up close to the vest but you can read on the website about the articulation points, now the make up of the wire is important as well. You should note MIT does not use any silver, you see silver is known to attentuate the treble frequencies, you often see owners of silver cables state when they first heard them in their rig they sounded etchy/harsh/forward/bright pick your word, as the cables burn in a bit the effect is reported to lessen or at the very least it becomes "normal" to the listener and less distracting.
Now although silver delivers the highs it is known to be a poor conducter for the lower bass frequencies, given the boxes and copper wire improved bass response is often first noted by folks who begin using MIT cables.
As you found out, there is certainly something going on.
RT1
Damn Sir, you nailed it. (And yes got what you posted about "Attenuate" I mean "Accentuates")
I played with all my interconnects I have own or on loan in the house.
MIT S-3 interconnects
AudioQuest Diamondbacks
SignalCable Analog II
Or Ben's Silver's
You nailed the silvers I missing bass. I like the highs, mids but...
Of all of them I enjoy the MIT S-3's the best hands down. Seems to have it all, Bass, Mids, Highs. The most expensive but the best sounding
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
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Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
The most expensive but the best sounding
You have to pay to play. Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Isn't that true
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
CS400i Center
RT800i's Rears
Sub Paradigm Servo 15
Electronics
Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
Parasound Halo A23
Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
As much as I would like to try the Shotgun, too rich for my blood. I also couldn't justify a cable that cost just slightly less than the speakers it was connected to.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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But that gets you thinking about the rest of it
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
CS400i Center
RT800i's Rears
Sub Paradigm Servo 15
Electronics
Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
Parasound Halo A23
Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
As much as I would like to try the Shotgun, too rich for my blood. I also couldn't justify a cable that cost just slightly less than the speakers it was connected to.
Would you pay $300 for a CDP that makes your rig sound better? Or for an amp? Don't look at it as you are paying for a cable...look at it as paying for better sound
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Exactly, look at it as another component in the chain.Would you pay $300 for a CDP that makes your rig sound better? Or for an amp? Don't look at it as you are paying for a cable...look at it as paying for better sound
Get in line in the demo and decide if the improvement is worth the investment."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Is there a hearable improvement reguardless source quality? yes I do realize total crap produces crap, but will it improve the sound of a nice entry level rig as much as a top of the line rig?Havent had the pleasure of listening to them but do see lots of postive remarks..and yes I do believe cables can play a huge role in overall sound quality..have upgraded a few times and pleased with each one..looking for a cable upgrade next.thanks
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Exactly, look at it as another component in the chain.
yeah, but an $1100 "component" I just can't see it; but understand those who would make such an investment. I would do a speaker upgrade long before I'd slap a grand down on wire.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
You have to pay to play.
Sounds like you work in Washington or for MIT's marketing dept. Or maybe both! "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
My speaker wire cost more than my speakers including all the mods and I still think it was probably the best money I spent.I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
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Why are MIT cables better? I spent a couple hours today trying to find out. I compared some ICs including my MIT Shotgun S3s. I ran them between my Marantz SA-8001 and Musical Fidelity A1 (2008 model) Here's the list:
freebie white and red patch cables = free
Monster THX something or another = $25 MSRP
Transparent Data Link = $75 MSRP
Audioquest Diamondback =$150 MSRP
Audioquest Viper = $225 MSRP?
MIT Shotgun S3 = $549 MSRP
First off, I was really surpirsed at how well the freebie cables performed, I expected much worse performance. They got the job of producing sound done but didn't have a lot of manners. Second, although there was an increase in refinement as I progressed up the food chain, I was somewhat surprised that from the freebie cable through the AQ Diamondback, the basic tonal characteristic of the sound was the same. I found the Vipers to be better sounding than any of the less expensive cables. The MITs sounded fundamentally different than any of the other cables. I mean not a small barely audible difference, but something immediately noticeable. The MITs at first sounded like an extra helping of mid bass had been poured over the entire sound spectrum, vocals were thick, highs rolled off, and the overall presentation was dark compared to the Audioquest Viper which had a lively and more colorful presentation. At this point the victor was definately the AQ Viper, but wait - I adjusted the impedence setting on the MITs from the low to the middle setting. BIG difference. At this point I would describe the MITs as having better bass, and here is the imortant part, less shrillness on the leading edge when the singer first begins to sing a word than the Audioquest cables. I often find the leading syllable in vocals to be somewhat shrill or harsh to my ears. The MITs seem to tone that down. So I am going to keep the MITs for now. Are they better than the Audioquest cables, maybe, they definately sound different. I must say that I prefer the looks of the AQ cables and like their RCA connections. The AQ cables just seem to fit the posts perfectly and look nice. To me the MITs look clunky and dated with their big barrel locking RCAs and the "bricks". Nevertheles, based on this experience I would like to try the MIT shotgun speakers cables at some point. -
I adjusted the impedence setting on the MITs from the low to the middle setting. BIG difference.
Ummmm....yeah, that's why you have to know what the input impedance of whatever you are hooking them up to is.To me the MITs look clunky and dated with their big barrel locking RCAs and the "bricks".
Ok, I'm scratching my head on that one.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
yeah, but an $1100 "component" I just can't see it; but understand those who would make such an investment. I would do a speaker upgrade long before I'd slap a grand down on wire.
I'll second that. As PT Barnum once said...:rolleyes::rolleyes:"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Ok, I'm scratching my head on that one.
Sure, the RCAs coming from my 8 track back in the 70s had bricks on them. Yours didn't? They were painted in wild dayglo colors too. Do stay away from the plain brown ones though. I've heard reports that the brown bricks are not specifically too good. -
Ok, I'm scratching my head on that one.
The network boxes, they look like sponge Bob's testicles dangling behind my audio rack -
I don't even want to know how you know what sponge Bob's testicles look like.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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