Why is MIT cables better?

disneyjoe7
disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
edited February 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
I'm asking because I noticed a different sound with some Demo cables I got now. Thank you Uncle Ted ;)


I mean why is MIT better? There are other companies who make nice cables like AudioQuest, who don't to anything with network circuits. So why is MIT cables better? Is it because the network is given you higher levels sounds? Doesn't this color the sound?

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  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    The secret sauce is in the Network...
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • MillerLiteScott
    MillerLiteScott Posts: 2,561
    edited January 2009
    There is magic inside those boxes.
    I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2009
    there is magic inside those boxes.

    big time.
    Michael ;)
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2009
    But is it given you a color sound?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2009
    Nope - sounds very natural.
    Michael ;)
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2009
    janmike wrote: »
    Nope - sounds very natural.


    How did you know? Is it something they told you? Where's the test?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2009
    Based on other cables. Much more detail. The test is in my ears.
    Michael ;)
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2009
    Who cares why? Just use the cables that sound best to your ears (and you can afford).
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2009
    Do they make your rig sound different or better??? Flip a coin for your answer.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2009
    Ok because its louder is it better?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    Disney,

    MIT's web page has about a days worth of reading and discussion about the cables. Get your learn on.

    It's the magic beans in the network boxes ;)
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2009
    I would imagine MIT put alot of money in research and development when engineering those cables. Maybe some day when I find some extra cash again I'll find out for myself.
    Drew
  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2009
    I find sometimes the less you read, the less you know can help prior to any significant evaluation of gear, especially cables and tweaks. Preconceived notions often have a tendency to skew the results. If it sounds good, buy it. JMO.
    Michael ;)
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2009
    Do they make your rig sound different or better??? Flip a coin for your answer.


    They are given me more bass, tighter maybe or just different. Then female voice are forward, where male voice are behind a little now. Drums are forward, not the bass the other stuff. (You can say I don't make music... I just like music :rolleyes:) Are they different then AudioQuest yes are they better I not sure, but I like them and more I listen I them more. But I would feel the same with a Drug dealer, the more I did the more I liked it. :eek::eek::eek:

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2009
    Well Steve, you are probably the first to site an analogy between MIT cables and a drug dealer. :eek:

    You should probably just send them back and find the drug dealer. :):D
    Michael ;)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    They are given me more bass, tighter maybe or just different. Then female voice are forward, where male voice are behind a little now. Drums are forward, not the bass the other stuff. (You can say I don't make music... I just like music :rolleyes:) Are they different then AudioQuest yes are they better I not sure, but I like them and more I listen I them more. But I would feel the same with a Drug dealer, the more I did the more I liked it. :eek::eek::eek:

    I have to say when I demo'd those the more I listened and switched out my regular cable the more impressed I was with them. I went right out and bought a newer generation (used) pair off E-bay and the I/C's to match.

    I have no regrets and am thankful people like Ricardo and Ted made the demo possible. It's the ONLY true way to know if something works and improves your own system.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    MIT Golden Rule: Go Shotgun Or Go Home...


    hmmmm, sure it doesn't rhyme. But, it's true.


    that's purely my personal opinion and I shouldn't be flamed for saying it, and if you feel otherwise, I am very cool with that too. ;)
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    polkatese wrote: »
    MIT Golden Rule: Go Shotgun Or Go Home...


    hmmmm, sure it doesn't rhyme. But, it's true.


    that's purely my personal opinion and I shouldn't be flamed for saying it, and if you feel otherwise, I am very cool with that too. ;)

    I'm taking donations. Not ready to spend that kind of coin.......................yet :). I'm sure the Shotguns are another BIG step up. For now I'm happy with my T2's.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    inspiredsports has some MIT's up for grabs in the FM now. I wish I had the dough cuz I wouldn't mind trying these myself. How good are the one's he's selling anyway?

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76817

    Very, very good. Of course the Shotguns are in whole other category but so is the price.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    I'm interested in those cables. But are you saying they wouldn't be worth upgrading to? Consider my modest rig...Yamaha RX-797 2 channel receiver, EQ630, and a Yammie DVD/SACD S1800 Universal. Can my system benefit from these? Chime in guys please.

    I'd say no to the Shotguns, but certainly a line like the AVt line would be an improvement (of course not sure what you're running now). Is the EQ really necessary. I mean I don't even have (or for that matter need tone controls) and IMO, EQ's are a bandaid.

    But yes, I think MIT's might give you some more out of your system but don't spend a lot. Because with your modest system there will most definitely be a point of diminishing returns.

    H9

    P.s. I won't be looking at moving up to Shotguns until I go up the next rung or two of the ladder equipment wise.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    yes, you WILL see the benefit of upgrading.

    I guess it's a matter of drawing the line on the sands of the "upgrading" sickness. For the right price, given the choice, if you have budget for signalcable level price but can get MIT for about the same price (even if it's +$100 and you have the extra coins), then go for the MIT.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I'd say no to the Shotguns, but certainly a line like the AVt line would be an improvement (of course not sure what you're running now). Is the EQ really necessary. I mean I don't even have (or for that matter need tone controls) and IMO, EQ's are a bandaid.

    But yes, I think MIT's might give you some more out of your system but don't spend a lot. Because with your modest system there will most definitely be a point of diminishing returns.

    H9

    P.s. I won't be looking at moving up to Shotguns until I go up the next rung or two of the ladder equipment wise.

    Wise recommendation..
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited January 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    I'm interested in those cables. But are you saying they wouldn't be worth upgrading to? Consider my modest rig...Yamaha RX-797 2 channel receiver, EQ630, and a Yammie DVD/SACD S1800 Universal. Can my system benefit from these? Chime in guys please.

    btw, Keiko, just to clarify, you're asking in the context of what's being offered by Inspiredposts right?
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    Thanks fella's. Yeah heiney, I like over-kill, but shotguns would be a bit to much and not really within my budget either. I'm really interested in inspired's offering cuz I still have a couple of them nasty M cables on my rig that I've been want to ditch anyway. Hmmmm, well based on what you guys are saying, these maybe worth trying.

    I know it's beating a dead horse................but the M* stuff really is bad. I have about 4 pairs here in a drawer and I've been using a pair in the office rig between my DAC and Integrated amp and even switching to Signals using my modded 5B's for speakers was a very noticeable difference.

    I'm also using DIY Shotgun style runs of Canare 4S6 for speaker cables and that was a BIG improvement over the cheap M* zip cord is was using. I figured it was a secondary system why put the better cables in there.......well it made a positive difference. Even if you don;t go with MIT get the M*'s out of there and at the very least Signal and Blue Jeans are nice cost effective alternative.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    Also a nice thing with MIT cables is they tend to hold their value so if you don't like them or they aren't a good match you can flip them w/o taking a big hit.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
    edited January 2009
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    But is it given you a color sound?

    I think any cable will impart some type of coloration. The question is,do you like it and can they be listened to without introducing fatigue? I know after trying several different brands, the initial "listen" which may be bright or darker than the previous cable, the newness wears off and the fatigue factor takes over.

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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Also a nice thing with MIT cables is they tend to hold their value so if you don't like them or they aren't a good match you can flip them w/o taking a big hit.

    I see where Joe Abrams sells most of his MIT's with a life time warranty.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited January 2009
    I don't give a rats **** about how they make sausage,I just know it tastes good.
    Same with cables....not that I eat mine or anything like that.:)
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,195
    edited January 2009
    There are many good companies who make great wire. I can name a few really good wire companies. Audioquest and Kimber kable are my favorite 2 to date. I'm still using all Audioquest in my system currently. But working for a dealer who carries so much wire, I may have to try out some others.....

    So why is MIT good wire? What makes them so special? It's in the network brick. I was trained many years ago by Transparent who at one time was the same company. Transparent and MIT split but they both use almost the same exact technology. They both will tell you "they do it better" then the other but with my experience with the 2 companies, they sound almost exactly the same.
    The network bricks have inside the ability to remove tones above 20khz. According to Transparent, this is where the most interference happens and hurts your sound. Copper and cables can be good but at some point you can't fix whats broken. So they decided this was the best way to achieve purity from one place to another.

    I would never say Transparent and MIT are better then any other companies. I would say they are as good as other high end companies and not as with others. Depending on the level of cable, Transparent can like MIT be beat for the money. I prefer both Audioquest and Kimber for the same money or even in some cases less.

    It's all personal opinion on anything with our systems. Sometimes the right cable is the one that sounds the best to you. Sometimes that mean the higher end cable sometimes not.

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,171
    edited January 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    Question: Are the MIT interconnects directional cables? Should the network box be placed closer to the source or the amp? Can't find any info on that.

    The ones I own and have seen are.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!