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2goldenears wrote: »Those who bash bose do not know what they are talking about. People talk about paper cones and cheap materials do not have a clue. Some of the most expensive speakers in the world use paper and foam for speaker materials because they sound more natural,more like real music...Bose has always had and always will have a good speaker for the money!:)
Please let us know which of the most expensive speakers in the world use untreated paper for their drivers.
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Please indulge. I used to work at one of Bose's premier retail stores straight out of college for a few months. I needed to make money while I was interviewing for a real job in my career field. I was trained to sell these and I knew every trick in the book to sell them to people. How come they only use spring connection on the back of their speakers? How come they still use paper cones? Why don't they give you the ability to bi-wire or bi-amp? The speakers are small, they sound all right, would sound better if better internal materials were used for the drivers; however, there is the law of physics, you will only get so much sound out of a small speaker. Look at their Accoustimass module; it doesn't put out any lowes whatsoever.
Why doesn't Bose give out their technical specs? I've heard this so many times from customers too. Want to know what the Bose response is? "It's pointless to produce technical specs because everyone's room is different. But I will tell you the wattage range; which is 100-200 watts". That is the Bose "response". You are paying for your systems marketing; that is where your hard earned dollars are going to; marketing and a falsely perceived quality.
I bought my AM10's really cheap while working there, $410.00. After having them for over 2 years, this is what the price of this Bose system should be brand new. This is not a $1000.00 system at all; people are wasting their money big time. I can't believe how many people I easily fooled to buying these systems. Funny thing is, I can still sell these at a profit to some clown who thinks they are getting a really good deal on "best" home theater system there is to offer. I just bought a pair of RTi A'1's. My new system when complete will be the RTi A line; I can't wait to dump my Bose away.
It's funny to me how people are still defending their bose products after seeing proof that they're missing about 30% of the audible frequency range. Talk about denial! I guess as long as they justify to themselves that it "sounds good" then everything will be alright.2goldenears wrote: »When you boys are ready for some serious audio conversation on speakers let me know. Amar Bose has always had a good ear for music and his speakers show it. The 301V for example is a modern classic! -
I like my Bose and I like my polks too. My point is that Bose is not total junk like some people make them out to be. I like my bose because they are fun to listen to.They may not be perfect in every regard but they are not junk either.I wrote the comment on my polks right after I bought them,before I heard any faults in them.All speakers have faults.I still enjoy listening to both brands.Here is a link to some expensive speakers that use paper cones.Polk has used foam surrounds in some sub models and some of the newer satellite speaker models also.Paper can sound very good and you probably can't graph that on a spec sheet it is in the the fun factor.Music should be fun!.Link http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/usher-cp-6381-speakers-8-2007-part-1.html:)
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What? Your link is broken, but I am familiar with the Usher speakers...wow I have some of the most expensive speakers in the world, since my Gallos also retail for $3k.
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Also please tell me why I haven't seen one professional audio review for Bose? Only thing you see or read is the same exact thing in a Bose catalog.2goldenears wrote: »When you boys are ready for some serious audio conversation on speakers let me know. Amar Bose has always had a good ear for music and his speakers show it. The 301V for example is a modern classic!
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There are people who love Bose loudspeakers, and 201/301s are their least egregious products IMHO. They play loud without distortion, and that's all most consumers care about. Spring clips, thin and shoddy cabinets, and cheesy finishes don't prevent people from forking over $328 on a routine basis for a pair, and if they decide they like the way they sound, that's fine. They do have a lively sound, and while I don't care for the lack of imaging, clean mids, or nice highs - there are many people who've decided they like them. That's cool with me.Currently listening to:
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Oh yeah, IMHO Linkin Park will still sound like shrill **** on a million dollar stereo. IMHO.Currently listening to:
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Sony BDP-S370
Apple TV V2
Audio Technica AT-LP120
Mirage CMD-5 x 5
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Also please tell me why I haven't seen one professional audio review for Bose? Only thing you see or read is the same exact thing in a Bose catalog.
Check again. Bose always have quotes from review magazines included in all of their ads, the only problem is the reviews are a decade or more old. Guess no one will review them after they sued for a unfavorable review. -
comfortablycurt wrote: »Wow...I don't know how I missed this thread.
I'm not a fan of Bose...at all. It's kinda funny really...anyone ever hear of the white van scam? A scam where people try to sell speakers to someone out of the backs of vans and trucks...they say they're really good speakers...they're just like a Bose system...things like that. I ended up buying one of these systems a few years back...because I wanted a surround sound and didn't have the money to buy an expensive one. So a guy comes walking up to me...asking if I want to buy them...I look at them, and he's showing me the price tag on the box...which says 2900 dollars!!:eek: Which is a load of crap:rolleyes:
So anyway...he tries selling them to me for 900 dollars at first...we haggle for a little bit, and I end up talking him down to 80 dollars...lol
The White-Vanners will also have hi-tech names like... Audio-InfiniTech. Or ABL. Or Acoustic Prestige. Like a bad Seinfeld episode. -
2goldenears wrote: »I have polk and I have Bose. In my main livingroom I have a harman kardon receiver AVR125 hooked to Bose 301V front Vcs 10 center and 201V rear. I have yet to surpass the sound of this system for sheer musical bliss with anything else including my polk rm6880. Those who bash bose do not know what they are talking about. People talk about paper cones and cheap materials do not have a clue. Some of the most expensive speakers in the world use paper and foam for speaker materials because they sound more natural,more like real music.These materials are light and responsive and always will be. They also have more low level resolution than polymer cones.Arent we all in this hobby for the music? Don't some of the newer polk speakers throw sound in more than one direction like bose do? People educate yourselves before you blow smoke.Bose has always had and always will have a good speaker for the money!:)
Nope. Don't buy it....Link to my System Showcase...
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Yes it can if used right.Their are some very good drivers that use treated paper cones but there is a lot more to it than just the cone material.The motor(voice coil/ magnet assembly),the spider,the basket and surround all play a part.Bose uses cheap stamped baskets,foam surrounds and small /cheap magnets etc.As well they use of all things cone tweeters in some models.:eek:No performance driven speaker company would use such an outdated device.2goldenears wrote: »Paper can sound very good .Testing
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RutgersFTW wrote: »Oh yeah, IMHO Linkin Park will still sound like shrill **** on a million dollar stereo. IMHO.
If you listened to Live in Texas maybe "Pushing Me Away" and "Numb" you'd be able to see how well your system can handle some awesome concert bass. All the effects and programming they use in their songs sound amazing and are mixed in a way that gives you actual music from every speaker instead of instruments up front and crowd noise from the surrounds.
And good God, insulting other peoples tastes in music? I thought this was a forum for audio/music lovers? I sure as well wouldn't tell someone else what I think they should play on their system and for that matter what they should listen to in general. -
TheMARPATNinja7 wrote: »If you listened to Live in Texas maybe "Pushing Me Away" and "Numb" you'd be able to see how well your system can handle some awesome concert bass. All the effects and programming they use in their songs sound amazing and are mixed in a way that gives you actual music from every speaker instead of instruments up front and crowd noise from the surrounds.
And good God, insulting other peoples tastes in music? I thought this was a forum for audio/music lovers? I sure as well wouldn't tell someone else what I think they should play on their system and for that matter what they should listen to in general.
The point there is most modern popular music is mastered waaay too hot.
Not just them, almost all recordings in the last 10 years. I just listened to a remastered jazz cd done by "the most groove-worthy remixers of the 21st century". Yeah, right. Pure crap. I'm trading it at the used shop.
I'm looking for high fidelity, not emulating the sound of standing next to the
bank of speakers at the front of a rock concert."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
sucks2beme wrote: »The point there is most modern popular music is mastered waaay too hot.QUOTE]
Well I guess that's fair, "Live in Texas" is mixed more like a CD than a concert though. The only other rock concert I watch on it is Green Day "Bullet in a Bible" and it's decent not great, you actually feel more like you're at the concert with that one. The best concert I've heard is "Peter Gabriel: Growing Up Live." I really have no interest in his music but the concert is in DTS and sound unlike any concert I've heard on my system. Some of the most accurate bass in a concert DVD. Any others I should check out? (And believe me I'll buy a concert DVD if it sounds really good, I don't really even have to like the music that much.) -
David Gilmour-Live at Royal Albert HallTheMARPATNinja7 wrote: »Any others I should check out?
Heart -Live in Seatle (DTS)
Eagles-Farewell Tour 1 (DTS)Testing
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I am definitely gonna have to check out that Eagles one, they're music is good stuff. Thanks for the suggestions!!
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Hotel California in Eagles Farewell Tour 2 (DTS)Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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If you like great musicianship I bet you would like the David Gilmour one aswell,he plays some Pink Floyd classics and some of his solo stuff.His guitar playing is mesmerizing,and the sound qualitry is very good.Testing
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The White-Vanners will also have hi-tech names like... Audio-InfiniTech. Or ABL. Or Acoustic Prestige. Like a bad Seinfeld episode.
Mine are "ProDynamics". Sounds like a pretty good brand huh? Google their name. They don't exist. Their speakers will blow away a Bose system that costs 14-15 times the price though. That says quite a bit...lolThe nirvana inducer-
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TheMARPATNinja7 wrote: »
I bookended it with two IMHOs, man, I wasn't out to hurt your feelings... I mean, I'm surely not the first person you've encountered who doesn't like Linkin Park. But my comment was, as has been pointed out, a reference to the recording and not the substance of it. I'm a huge fan of a lot of lo-fi music but LP combines the worst aspects of autotune and hypercompression to sound unlistenable.sucks2beme wrote: »The point there is most modern popular music is mastered waaay too hot.QUOTE]
Well I guess that's fair, "Live in Texas" is mixed more like a CD than a concert though. The only other rock concert I watch on it is Green Day "Bullet in a Bible" and it's decent not great, you actually feel more like you're at the concert with that one. The best concert I've heard is "Peter Gabriel: Growing Up Live." I really have no interest in his music but the concert is in DTS and sound unlike any concert I've heard on my system. Some of the most accurate bass in a concert DVD. Any others I should check out? (And believe me I'll buy a concert DVD if it sounds really good, I don't really even have to like the music that much.)Currently listening to:
Marantz SR5004
Sony BDP-S370
Apple TV V2
Audio Technica AT-LP120
Mirage CMD-5 x 5
Bic H-100 -
Oh you are not absolutely not the first person who has ever said anything bad about LP they're really not even my favorite band or anything I happen to like some of their stuff and their concert DVD, I just didn't expect you to respond with that when all I said is that I watched their DVD. If I would have said "LP Is the greatest band ever" than I deserve for someone to bash me like it's their job. Sall good, music (like speakers) is specific to each person and I'm open to listen to anything someone throws at me....except death metal/screamo
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Also, good luck finding a current band that doesn't use autotune or some sort of perfect pitch effect.
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Where do you people come from???
Uranus
Get it? ****.
That's where they come from. The **** that is urs.
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IIRC you said it was a great tool to test speakers, not just that you liked them. And furthermore, none of the bands/concerts I've been to recently employed autotune. The warts are part of the experience.TheMARPATNinja7 wrote: »Oh you are not absolutely not the first person who has ever said anything bad about LP they're really not even my favorite band or anything I happen to like some of their stuff and their concert DVD, I just didn't expect you to respond with that when all I said is that I watched their DVD. If I would have said "LP Is the greatest band ever" than I deserve for someone to bash me like it's their job. Sall good, music (like speakers) is specific to each person and I'm open to listen to anything someone throws at me....except death metal/screamo
But still - Water. Bridge. Under.Currently listening to:
Marantz SR5004
Sony BDP-S370
Apple TV V2
Audio Technica AT-LP120
Mirage CMD-5 x 5
Bic H-100 -
RutgersFTW wrote: »And furthermore, none of the bands/concerts I've been to recently employed autotune.
Oh I thought you meant in the studio, I've yet to watch a full concert DVD where they've used autotune either so.....yeah. -
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I had a set of 301's and 201's for a very long time with a JBL center channel. I wouldn't say it was the best system for sure, but it was adequate and the price i paid for all of it was fair. However, that was about 1/3 of what they sell for in the stores.
Does the set of A9's, A6's and the CSi A6 sound better than the Bose ever did, yes. But they are a different class of speaker. Bose is a marketing machine who price fixes what you can sell their products for at the retail level. I wouldn't give up the polk's I have now for anything, but the Bose I handed down to my brother-in-law are still in good shape after 10 years and sound ok. He couldn't be happier. -
I had a set of 301's and 201's for a very long time with a JBL center channel. I wouldn't say it was the best system for sure, but it was adequate and the price i paid for all of it was fair. However, that was about 1/3 of what they sell for in the stores.
Does the set of A9's, A6's and the CSi A6 sound better than the Bose ever did, yes. But they are a different class of speaker. Bose is a marketing machine who price fixes what you can sell their products for at the retail level. I wouldn't give up the polk's I have now for anything, but the Bose I handed down to my brother-in-law are still in good shape after 10 years and sound ok. He couldn't be happier.
You avoided the dismal VCS-10 center. Always a good move."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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