The Hard Goodbye: My Two Channel Upgrade Adventure
DarqueKnight
Posts: 6,765
Introduction
Year's end is a good time for quiet reflection. A long time ago, in 2003, I decided that I wanted a more realistic audio presentation: more resolution, more bass slam, more image weight, and more sound stage. After three years of research and listening evaluations, I began making purchases in the spring of 2006. A good part of my upgrades were financed by the sale of equipment that had accumulated in the attic and closets of my home. I sold a large part of my audio gear collection, including three pairs of SDA's*, and cleared (after advertising fees and packing and shipping costs) over $16,000. I also implemented a "no hoarding" rule in January of 2006 which stipulated that I must make a reasonable attempt to sell a piece of gear unless I have some current or future use for it.
I far exceeded my original upgrade goals. Additionally, upgrade concepts from the two channel system spilled over into my other rigs.
Then: Two channel system early 2006.
Two channel equipment early 2006:
Adcom GFP-750 Preamplifier
Adcom GCD-750 HDCD Player
Adcom GFA-5802 Power Amplifier
Yamaha PF-800 Turntable
Nakamichi CA-5A II Preamplifier Used As Phono Stage
Yamaha MC-705 Moving Coil Cartridge
Monster Z3 Reference Speaker Cables
Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR And RCA Interconnects
Signal Cable MagicPower Power Cords
Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL True Stereo Loudspeakers
Bello AT-4103 Audio Rack
One Dedicated AC Outlet For Entire System
I still have all of the above except for the Adcom preamp and amp and Nakamichi preamp. I still have seller's remorse about the GFP-750 and GFA-5802 because they produced Such Good Sound.
Now: Two channel system late 2008.
Current Two Channel Audio System (after six iterations):
Pass Laboratories X0.2 Preamplifier
Pass Laboratories Xono Phono Preamplifier
Parasound Halo JC 1 Monoblock Amplifiers
Teres Audio Model 255 Turntable
Ortofon MC Windfeld Cartridge
Graham Phantom B-44 Tonearm
Cary Audio CD 306 SACD Player
Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL True Stereo Loudspeakers
Audioquest LeoPard and Sky XLR Interconnects
Audioquest Everest Speaker Cables
PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC Regenerator For Source Components
Three Dedicated AC 20 Amp Outlets Terminated By PS Audio Power Port Premier AC Receptacles
I went round and round with cables and cartridges until I came as close as economically possible to my sound. What, exactly is "my sound"? Primarily, it is the natural sound of real live well-performed music performed in an acoustically appropriate space. Secondarily, it is the natural sound of well-recorded music reproduced in my home. I prefer a minimum of electro-mechanical processing, and resulting coloration, between the performance and recording medium and between the recording medium and my ears. I went through two upgrades each for the phono preamp, line level preamp, tonearm, and SACD player. The Teres turntable and Parasound monoblocks were love at first sound, and they, along with the SDA SRS 1.2TL loudspeakers, have been stable platforms in my two channel system. I did do further upgrades to the SRS's: new driver seals, heavy duty AI-1 non-common ground interface, driver basket vibration abatement, and a second crossover capacitor upgrade. In all, my upgrades to the SRS 1.2TL's have come to 76% of the cost to acquire them.
In addition to much better sound, I also acquired a much better understanding of how things work:
1. I was able to quantitatively prove, at least to myself, that there are measurable differences in interconnect, speaker, and power cables and that those differences can translate to audible differences in performance.
2. I verified, quantitatively and subjectively, that my concerns about the detrimental effects of the stock AI-1 were well justified. Fortunately, I was able to synthesize a much better alternative.
3. With proper tweaking, the ages old SDA SRS 1.2TL compares favorably to any high quality audiophile grade loudspeaker.
4. All gear, no matter how high the quality and cost, can be improved with tweaks and modifications. High quality gear in it's stock form just provides an excellent starting point for improvement. My musical enjoyment would diminish exponentially if all the tweaks were removed from my two channel system. When Nelson Pass was asked if it was possible to make a ''perfect'' X250.5 or X350.5 amplifier, he replied:
"No. The design is not perfect. When I create a perfect amplifier, I will disappear in a puff of smoke.
The X series is most easily improved by increasing the bias, which generally means better heat sinking and power supply.
There are the usual tweaks, your favorite capacitors, wire, resistors, etc, many of which work, adding some small measure of improvement.
It's not hard to form a list - unfortunately the items on it cost a lot of money. We have used all the economical approaches we know, and some that are not."
Note: Pass Labs X series amplifiers range in price from $8,250 for the X250.5 to $34,000 for the X1000.5.
The Sound
What is the difference between then and now...besides the 5.35X cost? One of the most significant changes is the increased stability and reduction in noise content of the AC power (see power line noise studies 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5). This, along with the higher resolution capability of the individual components, facilitated a wider, deeper, heavier, more life size, more lifelike, more dynamic, more detailed and natural sounding sound stage...even to the extreme sides and rear. I have been constantly surprised at the new musical details, particularly in the bass, that appear at every successive lowering of the noise floor. Clean, heavy, growling, multi-layered, articulate bass that was previously eaten up by noise is now free to rumble throughout the house.
There were some diminishing returns with some individual items. However, the collective, synergistic quality of the upgrades far exceeded their expense. The only downside is that the two channel system is more of a distraction since I now listen much more than in the past...often to the point of infringing on sleep time.:)
Further Study
Nothing in this world is, or ever will be perfect, but fortunately, perfection is not required for (my) satisfaction. Equipment-wise, the only thing I would change now is the power amps. Ideally, I would like higher powered, 1000 watt versions of what I now have. Why more power? For the same reason as a bigger television display. A 42 inch television will show just about everything that a 65 inch television will show. The 65 inch display just provides room for more details to come through and gets you closer to looking at a real life scene through a clear window. Likewise, quality higher powered amps are not about playing louder, but are about reproducing a larger, more realistic presentation of a musical performance at less than ear shattering sound levels.
I would appreciate a larger, dedicated, acoustically treated space for the two channel system, but that can wait until the next house.
In the near future, I will be looking at some turntable tweaks, equipment cabinet vibration abatement, minor AC power tweaks, and of course, enlarging my music collection. Long term, I will continue my years long quest to find a loudspeaker I like better than my tweaked SDA SRS 1.2TL's.:)
Some time next year I'll have to give some thought to planning for the next upgrade cycle.;)
The inscrutable monoliths have seen a lot of gear come
and go over the years. They, on the other hand, just
stand firm and get better with age.
Shopped well you have, my old padawan. Much to learn you
still have.
*
Wow, even I was shocked by that. People have sold their souls for much less.
Year's end is a good time for quiet reflection. A long time ago, in 2003, I decided that I wanted a more realistic audio presentation: more resolution, more bass slam, more image weight, and more sound stage. After three years of research and listening evaluations, I began making purchases in the spring of 2006. A good part of my upgrades were financed by the sale of equipment that had accumulated in the attic and closets of my home. I sold a large part of my audio gear collection, including three pairs of SDA's*, and cleared (after advertising fees and packing and shipping costs) over $16,000. I also implemented a "no hoarding" rule in January of 2006 which stipulated that I must make a reasonable attempt to sell a piece of gear unless I have some current or future use for it.
I far exceeded my original upgrade goals. Additionally, upgrade concepts from the two channel system spilled over into my other rigs.
Then: Two channel system early 2006.
Two channel equipment early 2006:
Adcom GFP-750 Preamplifier
Adcom GCD-750 HDCD Player
Adcom GFA-5802 Power Amplifier
Yamaha PF-800 Turntable
Nakamichi CA-5A II Preamplifier Used As Phono Stage
Yamaha MC-705 Moving Coil Cartridge
Monster Z3 Reference Speaker Cables
Signal Cable Silver Resolution XLR And RCA Interconnects
Signal Cable MagicPower Power Cords
Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL True Stereo Loudspeakers
Bello AT-4103 Audio Rack
One Dedicated AC Outlet For Entire System
I still have all of the above except for the Adcom preamp and amp and Nakamichi preamp. I still have seller's remorse about the GFP-750 and GFA-5802 because they produced Such Good Sound.
Now: Two channel system late 2008.
Current Two Channel Audio System (after six iterations):
Pass Laboratories X0.2 Preamplifier
Pass Laboratories Xono Phono Preamplifier
Parasound Halo JC 1 Monoblock Amplifiers
Teres Audio Model 255 Turntable
Ortofon MC Windfeld Cartridge
Graham Phantom B-44 Tonearm
Cary Audio CD 306 SACD Player
Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL True Stereo Loudspeakers
Audioquest LeoPard and Sky XLR Interconnects
Audioquest Everest Speaker Cables
PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC Regenerator For Source Components
Three Dedicated AC 20 Amp Outlets Terminated By PS Audio Power Port Premier AC Receptacles
I went round and round with cables and cartridges until I came as close as economically possible to my sound. What, exactly is "my sound"? Primarily, it is the natural sound of real live well-performed music performed in an acoustically appropriate space. Secondarily, it is the natural sound of well-recorded music reproduced in my home. I prefer a minimum of electro-mechanical processing, and resulting coloration, between the performance and recording medium and between the recording medium and my ears. I went through two upgrades each for the phono preamp, line level preamp, tonearm, and SACD player. The Teres turntable and Parasound monoblocks were love at first sound, and they, along with the SDA SRS 1.2TL loudspeakers, have been stable platforms in my two channel system. I did do further upgrades to the SRS's: new driver seals, heavy duty AI-1 non-common ground interface, driver basket vibration abatement, and a second crossover capacitor upgrade. In all, my upgrades to the SRS 1.2TL's have come to 76% of the cost to acquire them.
In addition to much better sound, I also acquired a much better understanding of how things work:
1. I was able to quantitatively prove, at least to myself, that there are measurable differences in interconnect, speaker, and power cables and that those differences can translate to audible differences in performance.
2. I verified, quantitatively and subjectively, that my concerns about the detrimental effects of the stock AI-1 were well justified. Fortunately, I was able to synthesize a much better alternative.
3. With proper tweaking, the ages old SDA SRS 1.2TL compares favorably to any high quality audiophile grade loudspeaker.
4. All gear, no matter how high the quality and cost, can be improved with tweaks and modifications. High quality gear in it's stock form just provides an excellent starting point for improvement. My musical enjoyment would diminish exponentially if all the tweaks were removed from my two channel system. When Nelson Pass was asked if it was possible to make a ''perfect'' X250.5 or X350.5 amplifier, he replied:
"No. The design is not perfect. When I create a perfect amplifier, I will disappear in a puff of smoke.
The X series is most easily improved by increasing the bias, which generally means better heat sinking and power supply.
There are the usual tweaks, your favorite capacitors, wire, resistors, etc, many of which work, adding some small measure of improvement.
It's not hard to form a list - unfortunately the items on it cost a lot of money. We have used all the economical approaches we know, and some that are not."
Note: Pass Labs X series amplifiers range in price from $8,250 for the X250.5 to $34,000 for the X1000.5.
The Sound
What is the difference between then and now...besides the 5.35X cost? One of the most significant changes is the increased stability and reduction in noise content of the AC power (see power line noise studies 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5). This, along with the higher resolution capability of the individual components, facilitated a wider, deeper, heavier, more life size, more lifelike, more dynamic, more detailed and natural sounding sound stage...even to the extreme sides and rear. I have been constantly surprised at the new musical details, particularly in the bass, that appear at every successive lowering of the noise floor. Clean, heavy, growling, multi-layered, articulate bass that was previously eaten up by noise is now free to rumble throughout the house.
There were some diminishing returns with some individual items. However, the collective, synergistic quality of the upgrades far exceeded their expense. The only downside is that the two channel system is more of a distraction since I now listen much more than in the past...often to the point of infringing on sleep time.:)
Further Study
Nothing in this world is, or ever will be perfect, but fortunately, perfection is not required for (my) satisfaction. Equipment-wise, the only thing I would change now is the power amps. Ideally, I would like higher powered, 1000 watt versions of what I now have. Why more power? For the same reason as a bigger television display. A 42 inch television will show just about everything that a 65 inch television will show. The 65 inch display just provides room for more details to come through and gets you closer to looking at a real life scene through a clear window. Likewise, quality higher powered amps are not about playing louder, but are about reproducing a larger, more realistic presentation of a musical performance at less than ear shattering sound levels.
I would appreciate a larger, dedicated, acoustically treated space for the two channel system, but that can wait until the next house.
In the near future, I will be looking at some turntable tweaks, equipment cabinet vibration abatement, minor AC power tweaks, and of course, enlarging my music collection. Long term, I will continue my years long quest to find a loudspeaker I like better than my tweaked SDA SRS 1.2TL's.:)
Some time next year I'll have to give some thought to planning for the next upgrade cycle.;)
The inscrutable monoliths have seen a lot of gear come
and go over the years. They, on the other hand, just
stand firm and get better with age.
Shopped well you have, my old padawan. Much to learn you
still have.
*
Wow, even I was shocked by that. People have sold their souls for much less. Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
Post edited by DarqueKnight on
Comments
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The envy of us all to have a system as splendid as yours, DK!! Congrats for a really nice system and for having such a meticulously clean taste.
I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie. -
I can't think of a more fitting synopsis of 2008 than you just penned. Thanks to you and others,those that have followed(myself included) thank you for sharing,as,I am experiencing better sound in my system, as well as my overwhelmed brother. Bravo,Sir,, well done,, indeed.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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Wow nice upgrade.... for better speakers try some infinity Renisance 90's or infinity MTS preludes... If you can find a good pair I have these and they are simply stunning speakers.... Also had infinity Sigma series but for the price the Ren 90's are perfect...the MTS preludes are also nice a little different sounding.
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Excellent post - much for us young 'padawans' to learn from!
Question, master, what measurements were you able to take and compare for the quantitative conclusions for interconnects?
I've been mulling this over after reading the now semi-legendary story of the Amazing Carver Challenge whereby Bob Carver was able to re-create the sound of a selected amp by applying a nulling approach to the 'transfer function' of a device.
I'm not sure what equipment was used by Mr Carver, but the article stated that by changing certain component values he was able to 'null' the difference between the Carver Amp and the target amp.
Could not the same methodology be applied to gather quantitative evidence for how interconnects change the 'transfer function' of any given amp?
By measuring the transfer function at the amp terminals and then at the end of speaker wires, shouldn't one be able to show whether speaker wires introduce a 'delta'?
If a speaker wire were truly 'natural' or 'neutral' then there would be no measurable difference in the transfer function at the amp terminals or at the end of the wires.
Sorry....been sampling some chilled Chardonnay this afternoon before the festivities begin....just some idle rambling....
Love the pictures of your setup - very clean!
Thanks for sharing,
Erik
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
Wow nice upgrade.... for better speakers try some infinity Renisance 90's or infinity MTS preludes... If you can find a good pair I have these and they are simply stunning speakers.... Also had infinity Sigma series but for the price the Ren 90's are perfect...the MTS preludes are also nice a little different sounding.
If I were going to go with Infinity it would have to be a set of IRS Betas:
Even better would be a set of Infinity IRS V's, but I don't anticipate ever having the proper room for these:
I like big speakers.:)Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
A thread such as this is what it is all about IMO. DK, you have humbled many of us, I am confident, and certainly me. What a fantastic journey, even if your SDA "inscrutable monoliths" do look somewhat like Sith Lords in some of those pix!
Congratulations, and Happy New Year for 2009. May things only improve from here.Alea jacta est! -
Hi i was referring to something in the price range of your polk speakers...the betas are sweet but that's like a pipe dream if you can find them in untouched good condition...... And in fact my buddy i know had both the beta and epslons and he told me the older infinity's LEMIM mid bass drivers would rattle at loud volumes...where as the newer LEMIM used in the epslon model used newer Neodnuim magnets and they responded faster and did no longer rattle and he told me he liked the sound from the newer epslon better aside from the bass response compaired to the beta.
Besides if you tried the speakers that i mentioned above and compaired them to the polks you have i bet the polks would be up for sale soon after auditioning them... the infinity speakers would be way more musically acurate with way less coloration ...your polks may make more bass than the ren 90 but not as much as the MTS preludes
If you want something better than the above you show get the new genisis 1.1 there new and the guy who made the IRS you show above makes them and now there even way better!!
http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/g1p1.html
:DHere is my Ren 90's -
Nice writeup DK. I only dream about having a system like yours someday.
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Erik Tracy wrote: »...what measurements were you able to take and compare for the quantitative conclusions for interconnects?
See the residential noise studies referenced in the original post.Erik Tracy wrote: »I've been mulling this over after reading the now semi-legendary story of the Amazing Carver Challenge whereby Bob Carver was able to re-create the sound of a selected amp by applying a nulling approach to the 'transfer function' of a device.
I'm not sure what equipment was used by Mr Carver, but the article stated that by changing certain component values he was able to 'null' the difference between the Carver Amp and the target amp.
Just because you can get a piece of gear to "sound" identical to another piece of gear under one set of conditions does not mean that the copycat gear is equivalent to what it is copying. The better piece of gear's superior attributes will become apparent under a broader, more challenging set of conditions.
Pass Labs will straight out tell you that their X350.5 stereo amplifier "sounds" identical to their X600.5 mono block amplifiers under most conditions. Indeed, the X600.5 is essentially a mono block version of the X350.5. However, the X600.5 paints a bigger and bolder sonic picture with a better sound stage. Also, with close to twice the power reserve per channel, the X600.5 is not going to "run out of gas" as quickly when the big, bad bass transients...and other transients...come along.
Two amplifiers with an identical transfer function may sound identical at low to moderate volume levels and with undemanding program material. However, I guarantee you that when the big transients come, the amp with the better parts and bigger, better power supply will win. Furthermore, just sounding alike is not all there is to it. What about other attributes like sound stage dimensions, image weight, and three dimensionality?
This is one of the very real problems with blind testing. Two pieces of gear may be indistinguishable as long as you focus on only one performance attribute, such as the raw sound reaching your ears. However, when you start looking at how images are arranged within the sound stage and how wide, deep, and tall the sound stage is, differences usually begin to appear.Erik Tracy wrote: »Could not the same methodology be applied to gather quantitative evidence for how interconnects change the 'transfer function' of any given amp?
See above.Erik Tracy wrote: »By measuring the transfer function at the amp terminals and then at the end of speaker wires, shouldn't one be able to show whether speaker wires introduce a 'delta'?
For reproducing a given system's performance characteristics, much more than examination of the transfer function is required.Erik Tracy wrote: »Sorry....been sampling some chilled Chardonnay this afternoon before the festivities begin....just some idle rambling....
Happy new year to you and yours.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Besides if you tried the speakers that i mentioned above and compaired them to the polks you have i bet the polks would be up for sale soon after auditioning them... the infinity speakers would be way more musically acurate with way less coloration ...your polks may make more bass than the ren 90 but not as much as the MTS preludes
Thanks for the tip.:)Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Raife, well done!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
As always DK, an engaging read. I wish you more success in your journey for sound.
Thank You.
And welcome to Club Polk Shenlonco,
That being said, how about a bit of couth?
I understand you dig your Infinity's, and that is great, but this isnt the stage to "bet" that someone would love them more than their current gear. With the amount of work, time and money that has been put into those speakers, it's almost a bit rude, and definitely inappropriate. I'm not trying to flame or bash you, not at all.
By all means if you would like to talk some Infiniti start a thread for it, I'm sure there are fans here also that would love to get into the specifics.
Just a friendly welcoming to one of the best stops on the internet, and hoping you stay and share your tale's and experience with the rest of us.
DaveOnce again we meet at last. -
As always DK, an engaging read. I wish you more success in your journey for sound.
Thank You.
And welcome to Club Polk Shenlonco,
That being said, how about a bit of couth?
I understand you dig your Infinity's, and that is great, but this isnt the stage to "bet" that someone would love them more than their current gear. With the amount of work, time and money that has been put into those speakers, it's almost a bit rude, and definitely inappropriate. I'm not trying to flame or bash you, not at all.
By all means if you would like to talk some Infiniti start a thread for it, I'm sure there are fans here also that would love to get into the specifics.
Just a friendly welcoming to one of the best stops on the internet, and hoping you stay and share your tale's and experience with the rest of us.
Dave
Hi Dave if you read the full post he wrote at the end he said he is still on a long quest to find better sounding speakers...This is why i posted about the infinity speakers... and obviously he loves infinity's did you see the infinity speakers he posted up wishing he had.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!! -
You have to know DK a little better. Those SDA's aren't going anywhere.
I too, thought your posts where a bit rude, but I don't think that was your intention.
That said, Happy New Year to you.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Heya Shenlenco,
Yes I did read the entire post, twice to be honest. And I saw a statement about a quest. Not a question, query or suggestion asked for.
I dont think you have any malicious intent, only that it seemed a bit of a challenge to the speakers, and that I didnt feel a challenge was appropriate with the amount of life DK has put into them. Thats all, and if I read it wrong, my apologies. I just know that I dont care for anyone telling me my dog isnt the prettiest at the show, ya feel me?
Again no bashing or flaming intended, just looking out for my fellow man.
Have a Happy New years.
Dave
And my apologies the slight derailing.Once again we meet at last. -
Hi Guy's i did not intend for it to bash him.... Sorry if it upset you DK i was just trying to give you some input on other good speakers out there if on your quest you wanted to give a try..
Now for my HT set up i am thinking of going with RTi A1's for the front rear and center.....these will be used for TV and for stereo listening.... I am Looking for a small speaker that would sound great...have the older RTi 28's now and there ok but want something better and i read a lot and they say the new Rti A1's are pretty nice.....what to do what to do! -
No offense taken. Being a hardcore SDA cultist does not prevent me from appreciating the good things that other speakers have to offer.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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DK, simply put? Very well said (your write-up that is).
Happy New year!____________________
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HT:Onkyo 805, Emotiva XPA-5, Mitsu 52" 1080p DLP / polkaudio RTi12, CSIa6, FXi3, uPro4K
2-chnl : Pio DV-46AV (SACD), Dodd ELP, Emotiva XPA-1s, XPA-2, Odyssey Khartago, LSi9, SDA-SRS 2 :cool:, SB Duet, MSB & Monarchy DACs, Yamaha PX3 TT, SAE Tuner...
Pool: Atrium 60's/45's -
hi i am new to this forum, shenlonco i have a pair of polk lsi 25's and my friend has a pair of those infinity renaissance 90's, one weekend we decided to compare the two speakers so he brought his rens over my house to have it out, i was sure my polks would sound much better than a 17 year old speaker, embarrassed to say, boy was i wrong, the ren's had way better detail and had a more 3 demensional soundstage and imaged way better than my polks and the bass was tighter and more accurate on the ren's too, when we a and b,d them the rens gave you goose bumps and made your hair stand up and made instruments and peoples vocals feel like they were zapped right in the room with you, a spooky feeling, it's funny i breed boxers and only when the rens were turned on did my dogs perk up and actually start barking at some times, i though that the bass was more on my polks although not better just more, the amp we used was a pass labs x- 250, adcom 710 preamp, sony es cd player, my conclusion is that i can't believe that a 17 year old speaker could sound that good, but i still like my polks as they sound good for h/t and are pretty good for music , i think that back then when the rens where made they were geared more towards music and accuracy and todays speakers are geared more for home theater first and music 2nd unless you are willing to spend some big bucks, shenlonco hold on to those old infinity ren 90's because infinity does not make em like that any more and they are hard to come by used, shenlonco check out audioreview.com they rate the ren90's a perfect 5 out of 5, i can't amagine what the bettas or the irs v must of sounded like if the rens sounded this good.
okeeteekid -
DarqueKnight wrote: »...
Even better would be a set of Infinity IRS V's, but I don't anticipate ever having the proper room for these:
I like big speakers.:)
Holy crap! :eek:
Man it sure would be nice to just have a place to be able to place those monsters. Very intimidating.
Most cetainly would have to be a dedicated space for the gear as I think if I ever broght those home, my wife would surely ensure one of them became my coffin.
I love the detail on the ceiling in that pic. Sweet. Intersting though, all that speaker, and a dedicated space, yet bad poor management.____________________
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HT:Onkyo 805, Emotiva XPA-5, Mitsu 52" 1080p DLP / polkaudio RTi12, CSIa6, FXi3, uPro4K
2-chnl : Pio DV-46AV (SACD), Dodd ELP, Emotiva XPA-1s, XPA-2, Odyssey Khartago, LSi9, SDA-SRS 2 :cool:, SB Duet, MSB & Monarchy DACs, Yamaha PX3 TT, SAE Tuner...
Pool: Atrium 60's/45's -
they sure are nice, i guess we can still dream about owning a pair, i can only amagine what they must sound like with all them drivers, the bass must be unbelievable.
okeeteekid -
Very good thread DK. I like the dedication to the speakers and finding the right combo of gear to achieve the level of sonic perfection you seek. 2 channel is very very desirable to me.
DanDan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
