Fix GM & Ford: US Loan to Honda & Toyota to buy them!

wizzy
wizzy Posts: 867
edited November 2008 in The Clubhouse
Well we all know that management in GM & Ford in screwed up, and giving the a bridge loan will equate to a "bridge loan to nowhere" much like the Alaska "bridge to nowhere"

So here is what we should do.

Give Toyota/Honda/Hyundai a very favorable long term loan to purchase GM/Ford/Chrysler and fold them into their operations.

That would be sweet, the new 2010 Cadillac built on a Hyundai chassis.

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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited November 2008
    wizzy wrote: »
    Well we all know that management in GM & Ford in screwed up, and giving the a bridge loan will equate to a "bridge loan to nowhere" much like the Alaska "bridge to nowhere"

    So here is what we should do.

    Give Toyota/Honda/Hyundai avery favorable long term loan to purchase GM/Ford/Chrysler and fold them into their operations.

    That would be sweet, the new 2010 Cadillac built on a Hyundai chassis.

    W

    I think they'd decline. Maybe that Indian company would go for it..
    They were stupid enough to buy Jag.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited November 2008
    I still like the idea of having the oil companies give them the loads they want/need. Since they have mutual interests, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
    Jake
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  • brettw22
    brettw22 Posts: 7,624
    edited November 2008
    If you were Honda, would you REALLY want to be associated with Ford/Chevy/Chrysler? They're sinking ships and have a LOT of damage attached to them.
    comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2008
    +100 Can't argue with that...
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited November 2008
    If their value gets low enough, I just might buy them! :p
    Jake
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited November 2008
    The only reason to "save" those companies would be to help the American economy; selling the companies to an overseas corporation would achieve this HOW?
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited November 2008
    Wow.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited November 2008
    I wouldn't mind giving them the money (the bail out) but I'd want to see the unions disbanded and a change of their name to Obamaerlet.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2008
    One of the Chinese automakers will definitely look at such an offer. Buick is a big success for GM in China.
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  • dpljr
    dpljr Posts: 32
    edited November 2008
    We shouldn't bail them out, in my opinion. Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing would allow them to survive, restructure and move ahead. A bailout simply funds all the reasons they are in the predicament they are in a little longer. Someone posted an article written by Mitt Romney, and for once I agree with him.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited November 2008
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    One of the Chinese automakers will definitely look at such an offer. Buick is a big success for GM in China.

    You guys really think the US Government would LOAN MONEY to ANOTHER COUNTRY to HELP them take away one of the largest single contributors to our economy? Really?


    Also, Japanese automakers. Chinese automakers exist, but they're not exactly ... well, good.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2008
    Some people just don't realize how VERY important these industrial GIANTS are to the economy and infrastructure of the US and North America as a whole.

    But as I have always said, the Unions have to disband or make some realistic consessions.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,185
    edited November 2008
    brettw22 wrote: »
    If you were Honda, would you REALLY want to be associated with Ford/Chevy/Chrysler? They're sinking ships and have a LOT of damage attached to them.

    I agree.

    Honda builds a superior product to all 3. it's there own fault they are where they are. Look in the mirror GM/Ford and Chrysler, and see what you have become. shame on all of you.
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited November 2008
    ND13 wrote: »
    Some people just don't realize how VERY important these industrial GIANTS are to the economy and infrastructure of the US and North America as a whole.

    But as I have always said, the Unions have to disband or make some realistic consessions.

    Yes we do. We also understand they could be a bottomless money pit.
    The management and unions suck in Detroit. Fire them all and start over.
    It's like at American Airlines a few years ago. They got the union to
    take a 10% cut accross the board. They then decided the best way
    to spend the money was on executive bonuses. The rot starts at the top.
    Dumping the union would drop the average car price $2000. Yet, what would I buy?
    Other than a truck, they don't make a car I'd own. How do you fix
    dead innovation. Other than Corvette, they have sucked the life out of the company.
    Make a good mid-size that's reliable and doesn't look butt ugly.
    Watch the buyers come back.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,454
    edited November 2008
    I disagree with the comments that American cars/trucks/suv's, etc. are not worth buying. In fact, the truth is quite the opposite.

    Personally, I hate Honda's and they absolutely suck in Formula One. Although, I think they may have finally got the exploding engine issues under control.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited November 2008
    I thought Chrysler had something with that Chrysler 300

    And then what did they do? Give you a choice between a gas sucking V6, an even more gas sucking V6, and a super gas-pig V8.

    I rented one and liked it. I stopped by a dealer (this was like 05 or 06?) and asked what they had in a fuel efficient 4-cylinder model.

    They just laughed. So I hopped in my 30+ MPG 4-cylinder Toyota Solara and left.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited November 2008
    I'd love to see what kind of mileage youd get in a 4 cylinder 300. Probably about 12mpg for one tank until the engine blew up from the stress of trying to move that heavy **** car around.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited November 2008
    I started to argue with that, I was going to say no it would just be slower. Heck, my Solara is 3200lbs and a 300 is like 3700lbs not much difference.

    But then I remember oh yeah we're talking about a US designed four cylinder LOL
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  • FA - Q
    FA - Q Posts: 41
    edited November 2008
    -im proud to say ive never owned an import auto in my 50 yrs...very proud :D

    -i recently talked to a retired federal mogul worker...this person bought a lexus...i laughed at their audacity [after selling US auto parts for a living]

    -agreed unions brought down the US automakers...and these ceo's should take a $1.oo salary w/ no bonus s , like iacoca did chrysler [classy]

    -i know a few of you feel honda and toyota are built here [US]...their HQ and profits are NOT

    -1st tv's and most audio, then breweries and now American automobiles


    -no import cars allowed on my propertys PERIOD... never have been , never will

    -isnt anybody embarressed to drive and own imports ???, i sure as hell would be



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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited November 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    I disagree with the comments that American cars/trucks/suv's, etc. are not worth buying. In fact, the truth is quite the opposite.

    Personally, I hate Honda's and they absolutely suck in Formula One. Although, I think they may have finally got the exploding engine issues under control.

    Yes I disagree with that also, Just bought an 09 Colorado:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73296

    I've had it over a month now and just love it, very sporty to drive. I put a GM after market exhaust on it..... Sounds a little Indy like now....:)
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited November 2008
    Repeal the Wagoner Act and they might survive...oh, wait, the communists/socialist/liberals/progressives/dimocrats have taken over Kongress...nevermind....

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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited November 2008
    I-SIG wrote: »
    Repeal the Wagoner Act and they might survive...oh, wait, the communists/socialist/liberals/progressives/dimocrats have taken over Kongress...nevermind....

    Wes

    You mean the Wagner Act?

    I think most level headed people would say the US automakers problems have just as much to do with management, if not more, than with Unions.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited November 2008
    wizzy wrote: »
    I thought Chrysler had something with that Chrysler 300

    And then what did they do? Give you a choice between a gas sucking V6, an even more gas sucking V6, and a super gas-pig V8.

    I rented one and liked it. I stopped by a dealer (this was like 05 or 06?) and asked what they had in a fuel efficient 4-cylinder model.

    They just laughed. So I hopped in my 30+ MPG 4-cylinder Toyota Solara and left.
    Wow. I don't believe I've ever heard a more ridiculous proposition than that of putting a 4-cylinder in a Chrysler 300.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited November 2008
    audiobliss wrote: »
    Wow. I don't believe I've ever heard a more ridiculous proposition than that of putting a 4-cylinder in a Chrysler 300.

    A Toyotal Solara weighs 3200lbs.

    A Chrysler 300 with a 6cyl weight 3700lbs.

    If you didn't have the weight of the engine, a C 300 with a 4cyl could weigh 3500lbs

    If my Solara works just fine with a 4cyl at 3200lbs, why wouldn't a 300 weighing 3500 ??

    But that's the US automakers view. 0-60 is all important, screw gas costs and importing oil.

    I prefer not sending my money off to support terrorists in the middle east waiting to attack the USA
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited November 2008
    If you have NetFLix

    http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car/70052424
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  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,238
    edited November 2008
    wizzy wrote: »
    You mean the Wagner Act?

    I think most level headed people would say the US automakers problems have just as much to do with management, if not more, than with Unions.

    Perhaps a minor mistake isn't magnified for decades when the Unions are out of the way? The Japanese managers can't that be that much smarter (aside from not allowing Unions into their plants) than the US managers.

    Perhaps the managers COULD make levelheaded decisions without having to consult a Union boss for every nitpicky thing on the floor?

    Wes
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  • BeRad
    BeRad Posts: 736
    edited November 2008
    wizzy wrote: »
    If you have NetFLix

    http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car/70052424

    I watched that this summer. Very good movie. I honestly didn't even know that the EV-1 ever existed. :)
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited November 2008
    FA - Q wrote: »
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    -isnt anybody embarressed to drive and own imports ???, i sure as hell would be



    -UNBELIEVABLE


    -/mx

    Nope not at all, proud to be in the family of an owner of 3 toyota dealerships and a service center. :D
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  • 66chevyIISS
    66chevyIISS Posts: 857
    edited November 2008
    Sherardp wrote: »
    Nope not at all, proud to be in the family of an owner of 3 toyota dealerships and a service center. :D

    I thought you were a DEERE man :p
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2008
    I guess some of you haven't figured out that being proud to be an American isn't politically correct these days.:rolleyes:
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    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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