Best powered Subwoofer out there?

Motzart
Motzart Posts: 1,075
edited November 2008 in Speakers
I'm on the hunt for a thumper that won't break the bank.
Over the years I have heard that Velodyne is one of the best....is this true?

I used to have a CT-100 and I sold it like an idiot....shoulda kept it.
I have a 8in older polk PSW120 but it just don't have the "punch" I want.
I wanna sell it and get a worthy 10 or 12in replacement.
I wanna get something I'm happy with cuz I can't keep swapping out subs.

I'm looking for a versitile use Home Theater typa deal.
The Velodyne DPS-10 catches my eye.

Need your input cuz this is gonna be my last purchase for a while!

Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited November 2008
    I am sure there are lots to select from, but I am really happy with the SVS I purchased a few years ago. Definitely worth a look. Good luck.
    Michael ;)
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    Is Dayton any good?
    Never really heard of em but I see the boast some real high powered amps!

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,205
    edited November 2008
    Look into Martin Logan. I feel they make the best overall subs for the money. Musical and theater is excellent. The Dynamo and Grotto are not expensive and are so impressive.

    Tweeter is going out of business so you could pick one up there cheap.

    Dan
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    Look into Martin Logan. I feel they make the best overall subs for the money. Musical and theater is excellent. The Dynamo and Grotto are not expensive and are so impressive.

    Tweeter is going out of business so you could pick one up there cheap.

    Dan

    No Tweeter near me! :(
    What is "Not expensive"?

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    There is a ML dealer near me but NOTHING they sell is cheap.....very high end store!!

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited November 2008
    SVS or Epik should hold you down for a very long time.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    In my snooping around I found a "PROFICIENT S12 SUB WITH A NEW DAYTON 250W AMP & REMOTE". (It's actually 150watts @8ohm) This can be had for $203.00
    Worth a ponder or no?

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    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,205
    edited November 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    No Tweeter near me! :(
    What is "Not expensive"?
    Both subs are under a grand. To me thats cheap for a sub. And now with Tweeter selling most stuff at 30 to 50 % off , you probably can pick one up for a couple hundred bucks. You would be getting a high class sub for half off.
    Dan
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  • Audio NUT
    Audio NUT Posts: 63
    edited November 2008
    try the klipsch there are two available at best buy one is higher priced, I bought the lower priced and its just fine and not to expensive..I have enough rattling of my glasses using this I dont need more to start damaging my plasma
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2008
    The only way a sub from best buy would damage a plasma is if you threw it at the TV....
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    Both subs are under a grand. To me thats cheap for a sub. And now with Tweeter selling most stuff at 30 to 50 % off , you probably can pick one up for a couple hundred bucks. You would be getting a high class sub for half off.


    That woulda been great but it's like a bizzilion miles to get to one from here. :(

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,094
    edited November 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    That woulda been great but it's like a bizzilion miles to get to one from here. :(

    Run with the big dogs...Velodyne!!!! Everyone else is still playing catch up.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited November 2008
    What is your price range, Motzart? Epik, Velodyne, SVS all make good, relatively inexpensive subs. If you are truly looking for the BEST as you stated in your first post, you'll want DIY sub about the size of a closet. JL Audio makes the GOTHAM, which is freakin' awesome, but also costs about $12k.....so......what is your price point?
    TNRabbit
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2008
    Actually, I believe it's the other way around... Velodyne has a long way to "catch up" with the internet based companies.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited November 2008
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    What is your price range, Motzart? Epik, Velodyne, SVS all make good, relatively inexpensive subs. If you are truly looking for the BEST as you stated in your first post, you'll want DIY sub about the size of a closet. JL Audio makes the GOTHAM, which is freakin' awesome, but also costs about $12k.....so......what is your price point?

    The gotham is nice; however, you can grab dual f113's and they'd out do the gotham for half the price.
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  • be83663
    be83663 Posts: 192
    edited November 2008
    Definitely consider Velodyne Subwoofers for their quality and price!!! :)
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    Trying to keep it under $300 and want at least a 10-12in @ 120-150watts

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited November 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    Trying to keep it under $300 and want at least a 10-12in @ 120-150watts

    What are your room deminsions ? is it closed or open to other areas of your house ?

    Surprised no one has asked that very important question.

    If your room is 10'x10'x8' a $300 sub will be ok but if you are approaching 1500^3 or larger you are wasting your money. Save 300 more and buy a HSU 33 that is onsale right now.

    If your room is approaching 4000^3 then go with the SVS PB13 but that is 5X more than you want to spend.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited November 2008
    MikeC78 wrote: »
    Actually, I believe it's the other way around... Velodyne has a long way to "catch up" with the internet based companies.

    You can't be serious? Velodyne has been on the forefront as much as anyone else. They use Class D which some say don't perform as well as A/B amps that some higher manufacturers use, but come on. How many sub makes include a remote and microphone to easily tweak your sub from the listening position?

    What has SVS done that is so exceptional in terms of technology? They just make a decent product that's affordable. IMO Hsu makes a better sub and has taken a leap forward with they new wireless subs. Epik is no different than SVS other than the fact that they use massive drivers and build a good cabinet. How have they developed the forefront?

    Emotiva is making several new subs that will have a proprietary amp designed by the company themselves as well as tweaking with a remote and computer based GUI. These are the subs I'm waiting for. Emotiva may be a small company that's pushing the forefront, but companies like Velodyne were the first to implement the ideas.
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  • slone
    slone Posts: 6
    edited November 2008
    I have two JL F112's that will pretty much rattle ur teeth.;)
    60" pioneer elite plasma, pioneer elite vsx-01, pioneer elite bdp-05fd, 2-JL audio fathom F112's, 2-Polk audio LSi 15's, Polk LSi center, Polk incieling surround and rears.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    thsmith wrote: »
    What are your room deminsions ? is it closed or open to other areas of your house ?

    Surprised no one has asked that very important question.

    If your room is 10'x10'x8' a $300 sub will be ok but if you are approaching 1500^3 or larger you are wasting your money. Save 300 more and buy a HSU 33 that is onsale right now.

    If your room is approaching 4000^3 then go with the SVS PB13 but that is 5X more than you want to spend.

    I have a odd sized small living room.
    It's 10ft wide.....15ft long and 8ft ceiling.
    Partly open on one side and open on the long end.
    It's a goofy setup! :o

    So I really need a high dispersing sub to get the most out of it.
    Another I have been researching that's reasonable price is a Yamaha SW315 with the QD Bass system.

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • kolky
    kolky Posts: 13
    edited November 2008
    If you want to keep it around $300 I think this is one of the best you could get. It would be $350 shipped.

    http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407

    If you check Craigsub list there is pretty much nothing that touches it for that price.
    Samsung 5085
    Denon 1909
    Polk RTi A5 Fronts
    Polk CSi A4 Center
    Polk FXi A4 Surrounds
    MFW-15 Sub
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,094
    edited November 2008
    MikeC78 wrote: »
    Actually, I believe it's the other way around... Velodyne has a long way to "catch up" with the internet based companies.

    Sorry...but I've already traveled down that ID road. Now for my hard earned money, I need not look any further than the Velo SPL-R series. The other subs I've tried (both ID & loaners from dealers) were terrific for HT but laid a huge goosegg for 2 channel listening. The Velo is truly awesome at both, that's enough to keep me happy & smiling.

    Velo has always set the pace for technology advances, offers a tremendous lineup to fit a multitude of budgets. There R&D is second to none & it shows.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • gtu2004
    gtu2004 Posts: 620
    edited November 2008
    kolky wrote: »
    If you want to keep it around $300 I think this is one of the best you could get. It would be $350 shipped.

    http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407

    If you check Craigsub list there is pretty much nothing that touches it for that price.

    free shipping? damn, i should've gotten this over my used SVS PB10 for $330 shipped...
    Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s
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  • Fatbrando
    Fatbrando Posts: 275
    edited November 2008
    Velodyne HGS series. Get the biggest one. Houseshaking...

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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    Thanx for all the input Guys!

    Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

    How do these specs look?

    Advanced YST Technology •
    QD Bass Technology •
    High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
    Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
    Magnetic Shielding •
    High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
    Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
    Auto Standby •
    BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
    Dynamic Power 270W
    Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

    Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

    Your thoughts?

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited November 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    Thanx for all the input Guys!

    Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

    How do these specs look?

    Advanced YST Technology •
    QD Bass Technology •
    High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
    Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
    Magnetic Shielding •
    High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
    Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
    Auto Standby •
    BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
    Dynamic Power 270W
    Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

    Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

    Your thoughts?

    Specs are for people who believe what they read. Hearing is believing. It may go down to 20hz but if it sounds like a garbage disposal then what's it worth?????
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  • kolky
    kolky Posts: 13
    edited November 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    Thanx for all the input Guys!

    Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

    How do these specs look?

    Advanced YST Technology •
    QD Bass Technology •
    High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
    Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
    Magnetic Shielding •
    High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
    Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
    Auto Standby •
    BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
    Dynamic Power 270W
    Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

    Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

    Your thoughts?


    It may hit 20hz but I wonder at what decibel level.

    The A2-300 I provided the link for above has a response of 18-100hz.

    Another you may want to look at is this. $239 and it has received may good reviews from people who have used it.

    http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php/loudspeakers/acculine/p/acculine-asub/cPath/21_32/products_id/68

    BIC Accoustech also has one that is supposed to be cheap and very good.
    Samsung 5085
    Denon 1909
    Polk RTi A5 Fronts
    Polk CSi A4 Center
    Polk FXi A4 Surrounds
    MFW-15 Sub
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited November 2008
    Motzart wrote: »
    Thanx for all the input Guys!

    Still not quite sure what I'm gonna get but I found a Yamaha YST-SW315 that looks to be top on my list.

    How do these specs look?

    Advanced YST Technology •
    QD Bass Technology •
    High Efficiency Power Amplifier •
    Multi-Range Driver 10" Cone
    Magnetic Shielding •
    High Cut Filter 40 - 140 Hz
    Phase Control (Normal or Reverse) •
    Auto Standby •
    BASS (Bass Action Selector system) •
    Dynamic Power 270W
    Frequency Response 20 - 160 Hz (-10 dB)

    Impressive dip to 20hz!! :eek:

    Your thoughts?
    If it's 10dbs down at 20hz, it's unlikely it's usable on an entry level sub. If you're really looking for a bargain try this...

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-394

    This is the Hsu design based on the venerable STF 3. You'll get very real 20hz performance and great output. Sure it's fugly, but it will perform.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited November 2008
    Well I did ask for your honest opinion! :rolleyes:

    Honestly I can't afford over $300 total...too close to Christmas.
    I wish I could afford about $400+ but......:(

    Yamaha RX-A710 90Watt 7.1
    Mains: RTi A1's Center: CS150 Sats: RT15i's Sub: Velodyne DPS-10
    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
    Cables Used: Monster Cable HPD Sony HDMI DLCHE18W
    Phones: Sennheiser HD280 Pro
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