Eight grand for cables?

zingo

I don't like the direction this forum is going... :eek: Whatever happened to gentleman's honor?!?

hearingimpared

zingo wrote: »

I don't like the direction this forum is going... :eek: Whatever happened to gentleman's honor?!?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

snow

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

ROTFLMAO well you might know what i mean a cable is a cable you can use the best speaker wire out there but as soon as it goes into the speaker the speaker wire inside the cabinet goes down to "standard quality" I looked at my dads kefs took the woofer out and the wiring post and both ends were plane jame wire. That is my opinion about cables and wires.

Actually some speakers I have owned have had 10gauge wire inside but the wires actually attaching to your cones are pretty small even on larger woofers heres a pic of this on a 15" driver but trust me on this speaker cables do make a difference. Why should it matter then if you have either high quality wire or larger or smaller 10 gauge or 24 gauge wire going from your amp to your speakers if where it goes to your driver is so small? im not sure and to be truthful I dont really care why. Try using 10cents a ft wire with cheap connectors then a $8000.00 speaker cable with high quality connectors for yourself than say it makes no difference



REGARDS SNOW

mantis

Here's the bottom line.

A cable has a job to do. It has to pass the signal from point A to point B. Once you have a cable that can do this without signal loss or Interference then you can't get a better one.

Once you achieve this,if you buy the so called better one, you are wasting your money. I feel this way about a lot of things in high end. I have seen and Installed 36k speaker wire from Transparent. It's so out of hand.

So a guess the only way to justify spending that kind of money on a wire is to listen. Try different cables and see if that cable is worth being in the system.

Guys remember the goal here, you are building a "replay" system. You are playing back a recording that was mixed in a studio made with real instruments. The question is What does it take to recreate that experience?

Dan

janmike

Synergy. End of story. BTW - I love my MIT's.

Audio NUT

I found out the hard way, while showing off my system to a bunch of friends, as soon as I turned it very loud the sound began to crackel, AT first I thought it was bad tubes so I changed them ALL (very costly), then I thought the pre amp had issues.. then I thought the speakers were blown, etc etc, then I decided to use higher quality speaker cables and the problem was solved and the sound was like SO MUCH BETTER... NOT< be sure you change ALL THE WIRES even the ones inside, make sure you cables go all the way to the speakers NOT just the cabinet connectors, youll have to open your speakers but it will be worth it. ALSO you dont need $8000 cables, go to radio shack and buy a roll of the monster high end cable for about $99 for 50 feet YOULL BE GLAD YOU DID

McLoki

Audio NUT wrote: »

ALSO you dont need $8000 cables, go to radio shack and buy a roll of the monster high end cable for about $99 for 50 feet YOULL BE GLAD YOU DID

What is it with the under $100 crowd??? It is like an entire sub-culture that I did not know existed.

The interesting thing is they are not even proposing ways to get better sound from wires inexpensivly (Braided CAT-5, solid core Electrical wire, etc.) they are saying on one hand they hear a difference with wire, and on the other, paying retail price for Monster is the way to good, high end sound.....

I just don't get the youth of today. Damn, now I feel old... :p

treitz3

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Anyone that pays more than 100 dollars for cables is stupid IMO. But I am not going to go into why.

"Stupid is as stupid does"

Statements like these are like water off a ducks back.

treitz3

Lasareath wrote: »

This is the Natural Evolution of us building our systems, we start off with zip cord, then Monster cable, then Signal Cable, then MIT and every step of the way the sound gets better and better.

Not all of the time, but I hear you.

Face

Sal, if those are anything like my AVt MA's, you will be more than pleased. You know I/C's are next though...

treitz, I know where you're coming from, we had a similar issue. If you have a chance, you should try their other lines.

treitz3

Oh yes, I definitely will. It's not smart to base an entire companies lineup on just one of their products. I'm just waiting on the economy to improve. Then back to the fun......

reeltrouble1

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Anyone that pays more than 100 dollars for cables is stupid IMO. But I am not going to go into why.

There are many here including myself who have cables costing much more than some 100 buck cable, in fact those are very entry and should be matched with low fi components.

If you believe calling us names like stupid is going to make you something around this forum you are sorely mistaken.

You need to apologize to the membership or as an alternative just be done here. There is no place for you with that attitude.

RT1

SolidSqual

If I spent $150,000 on speakers . . . say like the Wilson Alexandria X2, then I would have no problem spending $8K on some cables. In fact, I'd feel like an idiot if I didn't.

NJPOLKER

Hey Sal old friend, old buddy, old pal, handsome gentleman, brilliant human being what ya going to do with the cables you are replacing?
Drew

MLZ

So, how many of you high end cable guys have collected your $1,000,000 by winning the Randi Cable Challange? http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-09/092807reply.html#i4

How did you use your new found wealth on audio apgrades like these at http://www.ilikejam.org/blog/audio/audiophile.html ?

NJPOLKER

Lasareath wrote: »

LOL, most likely going to use them for my SRS 2's

Ok Sal be that way :mad::mad: I am taking back all those things I said, they are not true anyway :p:p

hearingimpared

MLZ wrote: »

So, how many of you high end cable guys have collected your $1,000,000 by winning the Randi Cable Challange? http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-09/092807reply.html#i4

How did you use your new found wealth on audio apgrades like these at http://www.ilikejam.org/blog/audio/audiophile.html ?

Randi is a proven charlatan.

I have at least one of the tweaks listed in your second link and it works extremely well.


Would you care to add your experience to the conversation?

heiney9

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Anyone that pays more than 100 dollars for cables is stupid IMO. But I am not going to go into why.

Oh please do............I'm dying to hear all your logic but most of all I'd love to hear the experiences you've had with lots of different gear and cables to make such an absurd statement.

Really I''d love to hear it. I mean if you can GET advice twice on the women and relationships in your life you certainly can give back some of your audio expertise.

H9

kolyan2k

bigaudiofanatic wrote: »

Anyone that pays more than 100 dollars for cables is stupid IMO. But I am not going to go into why.

+1

A cable is a cable, unless its **** or defective, there will not be any difference

daboyz

heiney9 wrote: »

Oh please do............I'm dying to hear all your logic but most of all I'd love to hear the experiences you've had with lots of different gear and cables to make such an absurd statement.

Really I''d love to hear it. I mean if you can GET advice twice on the women and relationships in your life you certainly can give back some of your audio expertise.

H9

Must agree, good cables make a huge difference. I'll be more gentle on your realtionships;) but your statement on cables is way off.

daboyz

kolyan2k wrote: »

+1

A cable is a cable, unless its **** or defective, there will not be any difference

Whoa,mi amigo, there is a large difference in cables. You must demo them side by side and then you'll know. To say all cables are the same is extremely ignorant IMHO.

snow

kolyan2k wrote: »

+1

A cable is a cable, unless its **** or defective, there will not be any difference

You mean I threw all this money away for nothing? :eek:

You ever notice it seems to be the people with either no money or a crappy system that have this wisdom?

Most likely with your system it would be hard to tell a difference



REGARDS SNOW

megasat16

If you want to listen to real High End Audiophile stuff, the speakers, the amps, the source and the room needs to be of the real High End Audiophile standards. You don't want to go with cheapo Monster Cables or Zip Cords in search of perfection. Searching for perfection cost money and time and will always be top notch product which means extremely expensive to most people. So, the more expensive the cables used in these High End Audiophile Systems, the better the system will sound.

Or if you are like me (a small fry) with normal polkie stuff and solid states amps, and standard source materials, the Multi-thousands Audio Interconnects will not be able to do their magic.

So, in short, the cables surely does it's magic but only at the right rig (period)!

These multi-thousands cables are not made for the likes of us (non-audiophiles) and no place in our rigs to show their magic.

Does the cable makes difference? Yes, it's only at the right rig with the right people (audiophileS or rich people with the plenty of cash to burn in their bank accounts) at the right time and the mood. You could almost sworn what you heard is out of this world if you ever have a chance to visit one of these rigs and you'll surely be converted.

Otherwise, Ben's Cables does the trick for most of us. For me, the outlaw ICs are cut out to fit my world.

megasat16

Damn Monster Cables! The Monster stuffs are 10 times overpriced and if it cost 1% to make, their profit is 89% and their sale crap ads cost another 10%.

Unless I can buy one of the mambo jambo monster stuff for 1/10 of the retail, I wouldn't even take a glance at it. Their power conditioners are more of less crappy but works better than their cables though.

mmadden28

Cables don't make a difference in power delivery either. That's why PECO only uses 14awg wire for the high tension lines in my area. They figured why bother, most consumer equipment only has 16awg power cables anyway...:rolleyes:

Yeah, different cables can't possible change anything with respect to capacitance, resistance, resistance to interference or inductance. I mean really--How could resistance, capacitance or inductance possibly have any impact on an audio signal.:rolleyes:

For the record, I'm not yet in either camp, but I have an open and logical mind. When I don't understand a concept its hard to get that concept through to me, but I keep asking questions-sometimes its all in how its presented-a missing link perhaps to connect the dots.

Just because the wiring inside the speaker or a driver is not as high quality as the wire you use to connect your amp to your speaker (and other connections), does not mean it doesn't have an impact. Its about protecting the signal on its journey to make sure it gets there intact.

A couple analogies (from my mind)

If you drive to work on a rainy day, won't a car with a roof get you there dry and happy? Where a car without a roof (convertable or cycle) will get you there wet and cranky. The workplace is the same. You still do the same job, but just not as effectove because you lost some of your happiness because of the lack of a roof. Yet some will say a car is a car and it makes no difference.

You take a Chicken out of your fridge to cook it. So while its being cooked (physically converted to audible sound) to be eaten (the speaker) it doesn't matter that its no longer being protected by the cold temperatures, or protected by the expensive refrigerated trucks that transported it to you (speaker cables), but that the refrigerated trucks, stores and your frig, got it to you intact, the same way it left the farm (amp). Now transport that chicken on a cheap truck, store or frig with shoddy or insufficient refrigeration (if at all) and what can you expect that chicken to be like when it finally arrives in your frying pan (driver) and then your tummy(ears)? :eek:
Perhaps if I lived in a country where there is no refrigeration, or crappy transport or storage is the norm, then I woudn't know otherwise that the chicken could have tasted better (fresher), and perhaps maybe not even recognize the difference if I did taste fresh chicken because my tastebuds were accustomed differently.

Digital data (ethernet) can travel quite far. Increase the frequency of that data and it can't travel as far without interference or crosstalk. Increase the number of twists per in. of that wire and magically the wire works better at doing its job. Hmm or is that all hocus pocus and marketing tactics of the cable industry?

Keep in mind that resistance, capacitance, power handling capability, resistance to interference, etc varies depending on the conducting material used, impurities contained in it, and the length and guage of that material. So as long as those tiny wires connecting the driver's coil (and the coil itself) can handle the current as its designed to do, then it will reproduce the signal as it recieved it. If it receives a contaminated signal or one with interference, it will reproduce that as well. To some it may be audible, to others not. As others have said-there is likely a point of dimishing returns on audible improvements, where the money could be better spent on other improvements, such as acoustic room treatments, different speakers, different room (heck build an addition if you have the money), different source, etc. Do I think they are necessarily exponentialy the same? No. I think the cables will have thier own maximum improvement level and the otehr components will have theirs, but not that one has to necessarily match the levbel of the other. What I mean is I don't think if you have a $1000 amp that $100 cables will do fine and if you have a $10000 amp that you would need $1000 cables. Of course I could be enlightened one day.

-Madden

kolyan2k

snow wrote: »

You mean I threw all this money away for nothing? :eek:

You ever notice it seems to be the people with either no money or a crappy system that have this wisdom?

Most likely with your system it would be hard to tell a difference



REGARDS SNOW

This stupid argument has been going on in this forum for years. and there was an article with bunch of people testing high end cables vs steel coat hangers and lots of people mistaken coat hangers for high end gear including the writer i believe.

Monster Cables are alive and rich because of their ignorant customers who know pretty much nothing about cables, audio gear and/or physics.

And as far as my system goes, I have LSi9s (on Outlaw monoblocks),LSiFXs (on HTR-6090), LSIc (on Monoblock), and dual Martin Logan Dynamo subs.

heiney9

kolyan2k wrote: »

This stupid argument has been going on in this forum for years. and there was an article with bunch of people testing high end cables vs steel coat hangers and lots of people mistaken coat hangers for high end gear including the writer i believe.

Monster Cables are alive and rich because of their ignorant customers who know pretty much nothing about cables, audio gear and/or physics.

And as far as my system goes, I have LSi9s (on Outlaw monoblocks),LSiFXs (on HTR-6090), LSIc (on Monoblock), and dual Martin Logan Dynamo subs.

Thank GOD in your two posts you straightened us all out..................what would we do without you :rolleyes:

H9

McLoki

Oh boy - A cable debate - this is what we all come here for anyway, Waiting for the train wreck. :rolleyes::p

One thing that I noticed in our RAS get together yesterday - With the MIT speaker cables, it was easy to tell what cd player or interconnects were in use. (or at least that different ones were in use) When we switched out the speaker cable it all started to sound more similar (and not as detailed). The same thing happened when we switched interconnects - all of a sudden, the 2 CD players that sounded so different before, started to sound almost the same.

Just saying that by trying one other pair of cables and hearing or not hearing a difference is not enough of a test. It is possible to change one thing and if that is not the weakest link in the chain - it may sound very similar to what you had before.

This may explain why a change may be "night and day" different in one system and just "barely audible" in another.

Michael

ben62670

kolyan2k wrote: »

This stupid argument has been going on in this forum for years. and there was an article with bunch of people testing high end cables vs steel coat hangers and lots of people mistaken coat hangers for high end gear including the writer i believe.

Monster Cables are alive and rich because of their ignorant customers who know pretty much nothing about cables, audio gear and/or physics.

And as far as my system goes, I have LSi9s (on Outlaw monoblocks),LSiFXs (on HTR-6090), LSIc (on Monoblock), and dual Martin Logan Dynamo subs.

Please don't include MC in a cable debate. The only thing I'll agree with you on is your MC bash. If MC is your experience with "HQ" cables no wonder you don't hear a difference:rolleyes: Any Polkies near you with decent cables? Please enlighten us with which cables you have tried. BTW that coat hanger challange was with MC, and not high end cables. Yawn
Thanks
Ben

treitz3

kolyan2k wrote: »

+1

A cable is a cable, unless its **** or defective, there will not be any difference

It amazes me that statements like these are made on a fairly continuous basis. This is simply not true, period. End of discussion.

If anybody comes back to defend this statement, two things will happen. First off, the board will discount whatever you have to say concerning audio reproduction. Secondly, you will have to turn in your audiophile card immediately.

Before you type yet another word, go out and try listening to different cables. I'm not talking about K-Mart type cables or Monster cables, I'm talking about some real cables. Then get back to us. Until then, do yourself a favor and quit showing this board just how ignorant you are when it comes to things like this. Please.

Oh, and don't believe all the crap you read on the internet. It will only improve your end result.....that being a great sound from your rig. You are only restricting your self from the potential that your rig has to offer. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.