Eavesdropping Through Cell Phones
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i'm just so tired of people who think they have it so horrible here. sitting their office chairs typing away at how the government is out to screw us. i'm simply saying if your not happy then dont whine to me. i appreciate this country and yes our government. you are more than welcome to live anywhere in the world you want. but we both know youll never leave this country. because you and i both know that no matter how much you whine that this country still gives you far more opportunity to live your life. the same government that you hate also gave you the freedom to hate them. so go build your bomb shelter and hide all of your money under a mattress because frankly dude i really dont care..i'm done with this thread now because its just sucking me into an argument i dont care about. you wanna think uncle sam is out to get you thats fine bcause i just dont care
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adam, if you don't care about it, then you don't argue it........simple as that..........you've proved that you ultimately do care.....and for caring the way you do, I'd like to put a gold star by your name.......comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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AdamRagland wrote:(being typed from the bomb shelter under his house that was dug for Y2K.)
Let's keep the personal attacks out of this thread. Mods are all up in arms about anything that treads a little to close to insult so lets not give them any firepower to shut down an interesting topic that so far has remained pretty on target.AdamRagland wrote: »i have an idea. go live in ethiopia, somalia or somewhere in the same vicinity and then give me a call in about 2 months. we can then rediscuss your position on how messed up our country is.
I think you're right; 3rd world countries are certainly places where "rights" constantly ignored and power corrupted the government. Let's not end up like them by splintering a justice system which so far has done a good job protecting those rights.Lovin that music year after year.
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Yep ... the reason we're such a great country now is because people fought to keep our rights, not because they rolled over to give up there rights so we could all be "safe"
History doesn't have very many example of people acting for the good of everyone else when given unlimited powers. Quite the opposite. -
F*ck all you whiny ****!I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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AdamRagland wrote: »you wanna think uncle sam is out to get you thats fine bcause i just dont care
If you don't care that the laws of this country stated in the Bill of Rights are being broken, ignored and disregarded that's your choice.
I love this country and the freedom and opportunities here. Just because I point out problems doesn't mean I need to leave.
If you have some data or information regarding wire taps of emails and phones that has been going on for the past 5 years please share it. -
Personally, I find it amusing that the folks who think it's ok to seize your property under threat of force and give it to others and argue for bigger, more expansive government are the same ones complaining about how this "infringes" on the bill of rights.... Things that make you go "hmmmmm"There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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Times have changed, I don't think Abe lincoln could have pictured a world with people like Jeffery Dahmer killing and eating innocent people, freaks trying to lure children via the internet and all the random sickness you can see on cops.
I don't think he would have objected to a little eavsdropping to try to clean up some of the filth.
Where we have a forum to discuss home theatre and random tech there are forums where people discuss child pornography, I am all for the government trying to round up some of these, I am at a loss for words to even describe these people.
After all, no one is trying to stop you from reading "Catcher in the Rye" we are talking about the government trying to provide a safe world for us to live in. Personally I am willing to sacrifice a little privacy to try to insure that no one is going to molest my nephews.
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The same reason they don't discuss when there is going to be a secret raid performed by the military! You don't want to let the enemy know what you are doing.
Unfortunately, Cfrizz, you now fall into that "enemy" category.
As does every citizen of the United States of America.
At least without the judicial oversight minimally provided for by judges who's identity is kept secret for security purposes.
Judges who will, retroactively, provide legal authority for any wiretap deemed to be legitimate and warranted.
Power to the people.
That's more than just a phrase; that's what the Framers of the Constitution had in mind.
Pretty smart people back then.
Power to the people.
Kept that way by a system of oversights, each branch of the government kept from getting too powerful by being watched by another branch of government.
We're over in Iraq right now to ......... help install democracy in the Middle East.
When we help them form their Constitution (which we will, of course), shall we have them insert a clause that specifically says, "This constitution is valid unless .... well .... things get tough, then the President has unlimited power" ?
Wouldn't seem like a good idea over there.
Doesn't seem like a good idea over here.Sal Palooza -
mrbigbluelight wrote: »We're over in Iraq right now to ......... help install democracy in the Middle East.
When we help them form their Constitution (which we will, of course), shall we have them insert a clause that specifically says, "This constitution is valid unless .... well .... things get tough, then the President has unlimited power" ?
Wouldn't seem like a good idea over there.
Doesn't seem like a good idea over here.
Actually, our constitution does allow for exactly that, and it is a smart thing as well.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
I don't think he would have objected to a little eavsdropping to try to clean up some of the filth.
Personally I am willing to sacrifice a little privacy to try to insure that no one is going to molest my nephews.
If you have that much to hide I am a little suspicious.....
For the 10th time we have the expression "If you have nothing to hide"
This has nothing to do with the topic.
Without the checks and balances designed into the government and the Bill of Rights the government can now and has taped people phones and emails without a warrant.
How many people were taped? That is the question. Was green peace taped? Was the democtratic party taped? The government will not tell you and wants to past bill that makes the past nonlegal wire tapes legal. Geive me a break. Wake up.
I have no problem with a little easdropping on the bad guys, but if the government easdropped on 1,000,000 people per day I'm scared shitless.
Why would anyone trust any political party with this much power?
Leave the country, stop complaining, what are you hiding, they did this before are poor arguements for legal unlimited wire taps IMO.
The laws and system today allow the government wire tap terrortists legaly now.
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Actually, our constitution does allow for exactly that, and it is a smart thing as well.
What law is that?
Has it been inacted? -
Google is your friend.Suggest maybe some of you read the constitution regarding security issues and presidential power.HT SYSTEM-
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What law is that?
Has it been inacted?
Educate yourself, here's a hint:
Lincoln enacted it...There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Educate yourself, here's a hint:
Lincoln enacted it...
Has it been inacted and did it cancel the Bill of Rights? -
It's clear that data will not change anyones mind here.
I have said my concerns.
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Has it been inacted and did it cancel the Bill of Rights?
Do you mean currently or ever?
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html
Yes, the bill of rights pretty much goes out the window. If congress agrees with the declaraton, the president is essentially a king and can do whatever he wants.
Also, look up Presidents power in war time.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
No truer words were ever spoken. Try to rationalize it all you want, but freedom lost, is freedom lost forever.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
But in the instance we are talking about, what freedom was lost?"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
No truer words were ever spoken. Try to rationalize it all you want, but freedom lost, is freedom lost forever.
Interesting coming from a union supporter, how do rationalize that?There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Union support = right to privacy? (wire tapping without a warrant), I'm missing the connection...
I'm also relatively conservative and think Unions have a place, go figure that one out. It's called an opinion, and so far I have a right to one.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
This was already posted...."Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
No truer words were ever spoken. Try to rationalize it all you want, but freedom lost, is freedom lost forever.I'll give you credit for posting the actual quote rather than the cherry picked one that usually makes the rounds.
It's worth noting that Franklin was talking about liberty, not privacy. How come nobody will bother quoting Benjamin Franklin when were talking about the liberty to choose a school curriculum for your kids or whether or not you can smoke in your car/bar?
Ben Franklin isn't exactly around to give his opinion on a world he likely never could have imagined as it exists today. Applying his words to a topic like this is basically a straw man argument and really adds nothing to this discussion. -
Union support = right to privacy? (wire tapping without a warrant), I'm missing the connection...
I'm also relatively conservative and think Unions have a place, go figure that one out. It's called an opinion, and so far I have a right to one.
Because you're taking the liberty away from someone who OWNS something.
How in the **** can you apply your little quote to this discussion about privacy rights, but then go off an support things that actually really do take some of our liberty away?
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Again, it's called an opinion. You have one, I have one--wether or not they agree is a moot point. Your phone is YOUR phone. You pay the bill. Thinking it's acceptable that agencies can use your phone as their personal listening device, without your knowledge, is not acceptable to me. Again--in my opinion. I'm not a proponent of the "we know what's best for you" crowd.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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Again, it's called an opinion. You have one, I have one--wether or not they agree is a moot point. Your phone is YOUR phone. You pay the bill. Thinking it's acceptable that agencies can use your phone as their personal listening device, without your knowledge, is not acceptable to me. Again--in my opinion. I'm not a proponent of the "we know what's best for you" crowd.
The difference is my opinions usually don't contradict others that I hold. James was simply pointing out the inconsistencies in your stances. -
From a purely political stand point, you're absolutely right. But I don't let politics pre-position my thinking, or personal values.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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From a purely political stand point, you're absolutely right. But I don't let politics pre-position my thinking, or personal values.
You're determining in one case that a loss of someone's "freedoms" are acceptable, but in another case it's an absolute atrocity and abomination, despite the fact no "freedoms" are being lost, and you're quoting Benjamin Franklin to make your point.
Not sure what that has to do with politics. Your lines of logic are conflicting with one another, that's all. -
You said unions result in loss of liberty to companies, I didn't say that, nor do I believe that statement. Therefore, there's no conflict on my part. Unions are simply people organizing, to have better bargaining ability---free agents if you will. Funny how companies split, reorganize, strategize, and it's called "capitalism." But let the average Joe do a little strategizing, organizing and everybody screams foul, and it's called un-American. I guess it all depends on which side of the tracks your on...perspective.
From a political standpoint, I do digress--I support Unions to an extent (I do not fully agree with some of the abuses), but I'm also a moderate with conservative tendencies. I believe large companies can be successful, and be given the tools/freedoms to do so, and pay their people a decent wage at the same time. As I stated before though, I don't change my opinions on certain issues to "fit" a party line.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
You said unions result in loss of liberty to companies, I didn't say that, nor do I believe that statement. Therefore, there's no conflict on my part. Unions are simply people organizing, to have better bargaining ability---free agents if you will. Funny how companies split, reorganize, strategize, and it's called "capitalism." But let the average Joe do a little strategizing, organizing and everybody screams foul, and it's called un-American. I guess it all depends on which side of the tracks your on...perspective.
They OWN it. Get it yet? Just like you probably OWN your house if it's paid off. Does anyone who does a little maintenance on your house get a say on how much you can have sex with your significant other?
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The right of writs of habeas corpus are granted in Article I, Section 9, clause 2 of the Constitution, which states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."
President Abraham Lincoln ordered the suspension of the constitutionally protected right to writs of habeas corpus in 1861, shortly after the start of the American Civil War. At the time, the suspension applied only in Maryland and parts of the Midwestern states.
In response to the arrest of Maryland secessionist John Merryman by Union troops, then Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger B. Taney defied Lincoln's order and issued a writ of habeas corpus demanding that the U.S. Military bring Merryman before the Supreme Court. When Lincoln and the military refused to honor the writ, Chief Justice Taney in Ex-parte MERRYMAN declared Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional. Lincoln and the military ignored Taney's ruling.
On Sept. 24, 1862, President Lincoln issued a proclamation suspending the right to writs of habeas corpus nationwide.
At the time, the country was being torn apart.
EVEN WITH THAT IN MIND: the wisdom of that suspension of habeas corpus was greatly debated at the time. Lincoln's decision is even debated to this day.
Why ?
Because people like to argue ?
No.
It is because the Constitutution needs to be protected.
At all costs.
At every turn.
In every instance.
In every case.
To do otherwise puts the Constitution at risk.
To do otherwise puts those who hold up their right hand, and promise to defend the Constitution, at risk.
And that IS what those who serve (or have served) promised to do:
Defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States; NOT the United States.
""I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."Sal Palooza
