Interconnects, and why I now hate you guys
Rivrrat
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I've known for a long time that there's a difference in speaker cable. Back in 85 when I bought my m10's the place I got them from threw in 20 ft or so of 10g "Monster Cable", I don't know if it is or not, but that cable made a huge difference over my 16g lamp cable.
Fast forward to now. I've been reading for a year now the arguements over IC's and what not, not really believing that a low voltage signal could be that much different over different wire, as long as the gauge could support the signal (what happens when you do digital telcom cabling for a living).
So on a lark, I bought some Monoprice rg59 IC's during one of my orders while I'm recabling my HT to inwall. I'll be damned if it didn't make a noticable difference, a REALLY noticable difference. Even my wife said something.:eek:
So now, I'm wondering if I shouldn't pop for more, fancier IC's. This could turn into a vicious cycle, AND IT"S ALL YOUR FAULT.:D
Fast forward to now. I've been reading for a year now the arguements over IC's and what not, not really believing that a low voltage signal could be that much different over different wire, as long as the gauge could support the signal (what happens when you do digital telcom cabling for a living).
So on a lark, I bought some Monoprice rg59 IC's during one of my orders while I'm recabling my HT to inwall. I'll be damned if it didn't make a noticable difference, a REALLY noticable difference. Even my wife said something.:eek:
So now, I'm wondering if I shouldn't pop for more, fancier IC's. This could turn into a vicious cycle, AND IT"S ALL YOUR FAULT.:D
My equipment sig felt inadequate and deleted itself.
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What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?
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You are absolutely right! It's OUR fault that YOU can HEAR a difference!:DI refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?
And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:
These feed a dvd changer that mostly just gets used for cd's on some Atrium 45's on the patio (everything inside is optical off an Oppo 981). But, they opened up the soundstage, I can hear things I didn't hear before,( that's what my wife noticed, and she didn't know I did anything), but I can understand the blanket thing. I'd say it bumped up the soundstage, the bass and midrange a bit, but maybe it took something off the top end.
I'm thinking I can reverse the speaks so the tweets are turned in instead of out, and that should help the highs a lot.
I'll probably build some nice ones down the road (soldering and or brazing skills here). but I'm not going to say anything right now, what with the WAF and all.
Still, they're better than the stock POS interconnects.:rolleyes:My equipment sig felt inadequate and deleted itself. -
I have had three different IC's. They all sounded different. I went from stock in the box IC's to Blue Jeans cables and then to Audioquest Copperheads.
When I went from the BJC's to the Audioquest cables and did some real testing. I was floored.
I felt like I was witnessing a miracle or would that be hearing a miracle? Either way I could not believe what I was hearing.
There is no doubt in mind cables do make a difference.
I did a full review on the Audioquest Copperheads VS the BJC's if you are interested. A quick search in this forum should get it. -
Still, they're better than the stock POS interconnects.:rolleyes:
The monoprice IC's are pretty good cables, nothing wrong with them. The stocks that come with cheap stuff, well, I wouldn't use them either. Don't expect much from going from the monoprice to higher priced cable, that way you won't be disappointed. -
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What sort of a difference did you hear? According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?
And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:
Geez, what an ****. Two insults in one post. First you knock his new IC's and then his intelligence. Good one. :rolleyes:2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones -
This is normal for him. "Troll" would be appropriate here.
Just goes to show you that you should listen to the credible members more often.Rivvrat wrote:So on a lark, I bought some Monoprice rg59 IC's during one of my orders while I'm recabling my HT to inwall. I'll be damned if it didn't make a noticable difference, a REALLY noticable difference. Even my wife said something.
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
dragon1952 wrote: »Geez, what a jerk. Two insults in one post. First you knock his new IC's and then his intelligence. Good one. :rolleyes:
I did not knock his cables, I have recommended monoprice to several posters here. I only commented on what many others have said about monoprice cables here.
This is the first time I have seen anyone gush about a $3 cable. Thought it was odd, and the complete opposite of what others report.
As far as knocking his intelligence, what are you talking about? -
Just goes to show you that you should listen to the credible members more often.
Really? How many times have you recommended monprice for superior sound? -
None. Have I recommended better cables? Yes. Price is not always a factor nor will it dictate any change for the better or worse in the end result.Really? How many times have you recommended monprice for superior sound?
In this case, he heard a change. Respect it and move on without insulting his intelligence please.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Rivv, I saw the IC light myself just today. I purchased some hga silver ICs from Muveling and put them in today. A very noticeable difference over the ultra 600 Ics i was using.TV...............Hitachi 42hdS52a plasma (sexy one with the swival)
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Interconnects - MIT AVT1's
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You confuse me sir. You recommend, yet you claim [through your posts] that you have not heard a change or difference between cables/ IC's or otherwise.I have recommended monoprice to several posters here.
Why would you recommend a certain cable if you hear no difference?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Why would you recommend a certain cable if you hear no difference?
Because of price. Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap. -
This is where you insult his intelligence.According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. Very interesting that those cheap horrible cables would be an improvement, but hey, your wife heard it too, right?
And no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:
1. You classify "us" and "him" and his wife as a "believer".
2. You insult him knocking his purchase of monoprice cables.
3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."
4. You insinuate that his wife didn't hear a difference either.
5. Then you insult all that know better that "no one believes this is all just imagination.:rolleyes:"
Give the BS. up.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Not you Sami, WilliamM2....Because of price. Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
1. You classify "us" and "him" and his wife as a "believer".
Well what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."
Nice out of context quote.5. Then you insult all that know better that "no one believes this is all just imagination."
People falling for placebo effect, or expectational bias has nothing to do with intelligence, and I never insulted his. Not believing that expectational bias exists, when is is a known fact on the other hand...Give the BS. up.
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Not you Sami, WilliamM2....
Because of price. Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap.
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Not you Sami, WilliamM2....
Because that's his reasoning. Am I right William? While I'm at it...3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."
He didn't say that, this is the actual quote:WilliamM2 wrote:According to all the "believers" here, monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers. -
Right Sami.
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Post #17. William, could you answer this?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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You got me there. My bad.3. You have recommended monoprice cables to posters here, yet you just said in your quote above that "monoprice cables suck, like putting a blanket over your speakers."~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
So, you recommend a "Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."
This has nothing to do with sound and what it can do for a particular system.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
So, you recommend a "Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."
This has nothing to do with sound and what it can do for a particular system.
Never said it did, in fact, I have been saying that cables don't change the sound. Are you just now getting this? -
Boy, oh boy....measurements are one thing. How exactly do you measure a sound stage? Precise imaging? Stereo separation and blending? Depth perception?.....and a multitude of other things in audio reproduction?Well what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?
You can't. It's subjective. Everything affects everything.
Now to answer your question, "what would you call people who believe in something that no one has been able to prove?"
Experienced.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Yes I am, I am finally getting the fact that WilliamM2 recommends cables because they don't change the sound, but they look pretty.Never said it did, in fact, I have been saying that cables don't change the sound. Are you just now getting this?
In the exact words...."Nicely constructed cable and it's cheap."
HELL of a recommendation William, Hell of a recommendation. My hat's off to you as you obviously know why we are all here. For the looks of things. :rolleyes:
I should have known better.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Beating a dead horse here. I have done it, and have been sucked into it with Bill, and I agree to disagree. There are probably only 3 members here into audio that can't hear a difference. I try to ignore them, and post my opinion on cables.Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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Ben
