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magellings

This was an additonal private message during my research of this topic

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Originally Posted by magellings
Where can you get the yamaha 3800 for ~$1100?

this place has it for 1086
http://brandnamez.com/merchant.ihtml...ffNo=492452167

magellings

This was a private message I had during my research on this topic. note did discover thru looking at manuals of these recievers that only bi-amping is allowed on denon 3808, yamaha 3800, and onkyo 805 and 875. Yamaha and Denon 4308 allow bi-amping and bi-wiring setup thru avr outputs

Biwire the front will get better benefits in terms of sound quality than bi-amp, and you can do this with only one output.

If I were you, id take the 3808 and bi-wire the front and still use 7,1 channel.

Bi amping with the 4308 will do the same thing as bi-amping the 3808, you'll loose power to your rear speakers, 7,1 setup are hard on the amps power..

I will get to you soon because I will check inside de DENON if I can see equal power devices inside and compare the tranformer VoltAmpere ratings.

pier


Quote:
Originally Posted by magellings
Since you sell denon, would there be any benefit to bi-wire or bi-amp the fronts. Both denons allow this. I like the 4308 because I can have a 7.1 setup while also able to have a bi-amped/bi-wired fronts. With the 3808 I have to drop down to 5.1 if I want to bi-amp/biwire.

also what is your opinion on the hd-radio?

polkseller

magellings, you listened to the receivers and you confirm what I said!!

Exactly what I said except for the pioneer... maybe it was defective because its usually a nice sounding unit.

The denon 3808 is your best bet, but not dolby tru HD or DTS HD ready. You must use Panasonic BP-30 or sony s-500 and use player decoder to your 7.1 analog in of your receiver.

the highs on the denon is usually precise without fatigue. Store switcher and cable is usually the source of the fatiguing sound. I assure you that in your room it will sound better! If not, dampen your room with sound material.

the yamaha is toneful/fat sounding on every frequency, match well with polk speaker and bad with Energy( sleeping sound) but not so precise for stereo listening.

mantis

polkseller wrote: »

Mantis I agree with you exept with what you said about Yamaha receiver

HAve you listened to the yamaha recently ? my 5960 is far from being bright and I love it.

I'm using Anti-cable from paul speltz with is and I think the highs are missing a little on this amp.

I listen to Yamaha just about every other day. I find them to be on the bright side. This is an opnion not fact. To me with Rti series speakers, I find it to sound like someone turned up the trebble. Even with Focal speakers, I find it bright. This is compared to Pioneer Elite receivers.

NotaSuv

One huge can of worms here.......I spent alot of time reading posts and asking opinions..went from this to that......that to this...seems like an endless process especially when great deals arise but in the end

It's what makes YOU happy....its what YOU enjoy..one hates denon the next loves it and so on and so forth....we could post 100's of opinions and over 50% disagree with the rest.......try a few out...alot of places have a liberal return policy..what I did was buy em take em home live with em for a few weeks, as alot of time the set up in a listening room is different that the actual room you have at home....when I found what I liked I returned it and went online to buy.....the best of both worlds in my opinion...but in the end...whatever puts a smile on your face is all that matters.........
just my 3 cents

I too ended up with a denon 3808

seeclear

NotaSuv wrote: »

One huge can of worms here.......I spent alot of time reading posts and asking opinions..went from this to that......that to this...seems like an endless process especially when great deals arise but in the end

It's what makes YOU happy....its what YOU enjoy..one hates denon the next loves it and so on and so forth....we could post 100's of opinions and over 50% disagree with the rest.......try a few out...alot of places have a liberal return policy..what I did was buy em take em home live with em for a few weeks, as alot of time the set up in a listening room is different that the actual room you have at home....when I found what I liked I returned it and went online to buy.....the best of both worlds in my opinion...but in the end...whatever puts a smile on your face is all that matters.........
just my 3 cents

I too ended up with a denon 3808

I agree with all of this EXCEPT...

That liberal return policy that you liked so much won't be around forever if more people abuse the privilege by not supporting the local merchant who offers it. JMHO Maybe some of the retailers on here could comment more.

jdhdiggs

Rike255 wrote: »

This is his opinion which is valid but there are a lot of people on this forum and other places who have the RTi's and Onkyo's. I'm one of them the RTi8's along with Onkyo 805 are simply amazing.

Exactly! Which is why everyone should decide what they like in their own home with their own gear. Those are my preferences based on gear I've had in my house, nothing more or less. I can not comment on the Denon as I've only heard them in stores or at a friends house on Klipsch's that hadn't been setup.

Remember:

"One man's 'harsh' is another man's 'detail'"

NotaSuv

seeclear wrote: »

I agree with all of this EXCEPT...

That liberal return policy that you liked so much won't be around forever if more people abuse the privilege by not supporting the local merchant who offers it. JMHO Maybe some of the retailers on here could comment more.

Ands that great for those who can afford to pay a huge mark-up compared to a much smaller markup online.....when the price is in the same ballpark I certainly try to buy local and NOT at the big box stores....these are the ONLY ones that I might be guilty of abusing the return policy.....I have never returned anything to the mom and pop stores...yes I do know all about overhead costs, and thats why I turn to the net 75% of the time.....IMHO the big boxes will never change their return policies....well just as long as there is competition out there....and I have been in retail for over 20 years...have owned my own biz that was basically shut down when a big box opened down the street... I just could not compete with their prices what so ever and still turn a dime...........

polkseller

Nota

The store that offers you the return policy is the store with the best service and it should receive more money/profit just for this. You also usually get professionnal advices ( from people like me that has knowledge in home theater). The return policy is expensive for us because the open box will often sell for less .

You can get carry-in/ in-home customer service or professionnal installation too.

There so many options and features on amplifier and receivers theses day that often you need advices to buy the good products. Matching it with a blu-ray player and get the best sound is not an easy task.

During 8 years in the audio/video domain, I never had a customer that know everything about what I was selling. The experience of mixing different brands of speaker/amplifer and know how it will sound can only be acheive with true passion and interest in the audio.

magellings

polkseller wrote: »

magellings, you listened to the receivers and you confirm what I said!!

Exactly what I said except for the pioneer... maybe it was defective because its usually a nice sounding unit.

The denon 3808 is your best bet, but not dolby tru HD or DTS HD ready. You must use Panasonic BP-30 or sony s-500 and use player decoder to your 7.1 analog in of your receiver.

the highs on the denon is usually precise without fatigue. Store switcher and cable is usually the source of the fatiguing sound. I assure you that in your room it will sound better! If not, dampen your room with sound material.

the yamaha is toneful/fat sounding on every frequency, match well with polk speaker and bad with Energy( sleeping sound) but not so precise for stereo listening.

Yeah I checked back and indeed I did confirm what you said. The denon 3808 does decode dolby trueHD and dts-hd master audio. It also has hdmi 1.3 spec

Ron Temple

All gear sounds slightly different and each of us processes the input uniquely (with help from time to time). Trying to get a definitive buying decision on an expensive piece with mid-fi speaks is hard to do...actually it's impossible. I'm glad the OP made a decision because in the next couple of years, his tastes will become more discrete. There's been a ton of great advice, but if I were the OP, I wouldn't know what to believe. I'm glad I chose the cheap route at first just to decide what I liked .

Yashu

I would get a modern NAD receiver. A ton of articulate power. It is hard to beat NAD in terms of value for your dollar. They are going to outshine the midfi units you suggested by quite a bit.

xandra

I have on Onkyo 705 (with RTi10's bi-amped). Must say I love it (tho thinking upgrading to 805 or 875) my only gripes with 705 is that it's poor at very low volumes (annoying when you get to pianissamo passages - if volume is set low) Don't know if this improved in 805 and what effect the Burr Brown DAC's might have...

My sense from reading here and elsewhere (not personal observation) is that feature wise, future proofing, and interface: Onkyo's the way to go. But if sound quality is your primary/only concern HK or Marantz might be a better option for you. Tuff choice N'est pas?

I really wish there were receiver selectors (rather than speaker selectors) so that I could use an Onkyo most of the time, and switch to Marantz or simialar for serious music listening...

DeusExa

Defintely should upgrade to the 805.

The 705 is really a pumped up 605, but the 805 is whole entirely different story (and chassis.)

Burr Browns are the best DACs so far.

Marantz is not neccesarily better for music, they tend to slightly color the tone, making it warmer. If you like neutrality, stick with Onkyo.

Just remember, the main point of speakers is reproducing exactly the same sound as a live performance.

Of course, everyone discerns differently.

xandra

Deus sayeth...

Defintely should upgrade to the 805

Thanks for the info: all encouragement to blow another grand is greatly appreciated... haven't decided yet between 805 & 875, and waiting to see if Onkyo comes thru with a promised patch.

Just wish there were some decent shops nearby for listening purposes . The one local mid-hi end shop, grimaces when I ask to hear speakers with different recievers (and only carrys minimal brands).