My new speakers

Mike Kozak
Mike Kozak Posts: 931
edited January 2008 in Vintage Speakers
I will be winning these as I do not care how much they go for. What should I expect to pay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200195276487&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DBidding
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited January 2008
    With that attitude. More than you should... :p

    Anyway - they look to be in excellent shape physically. About the best I have seen for 10's with peerless tweets... (from what I could tell in the pics anyway)

    I would guess you will end up around $125-$175. Then again, it depends on how bidding goes. They may not raise in cost from where they are at. (that is based on the fact they are 10's, I don't know how many people realise the peerless are the ones you really want.)

    Good luck and enjoy. Let us know how it goes.

    Michael

    Edit - found it funny he desribes them as
    In those days, there was no marketing or exotic wood cabinets, only pure clean sound.
    and also as
    16” wide, 11 ½ “ deep and 28 ½” high – Rosewood 45 lbs each
    Like Rosewood was what everything was made of in the 70's. They only started working with pressboard and woodgrained vinyl stickers because Rosewood was a **** to finish in another color (to make it look like something exotic. Pine for example....)
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Mike Kozak
    Mike Kozak Posts: 931
    edited January 2008
    Thanks McLoki, I have put in a max of 200, but I could go more if that is not enough. I am pretty determined to get the speakers
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited January 2008
    I just noticed there is only 16 hours left in the auction. You may get off cheap on this one. Best of luck.
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Mike Kozak
    Mike Kozak Posts: 931
    edited January 2008
    Hopefully I will, thanks for the thought!!! I will let you know when I get them!!

    They do look like they are in excellent condition!!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2008
    Do those only have a 8" PR? Those are definitely the "original" M10's or Monitor 10's.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • Mike Kozak
    Mike Kozak Posts: 931
    edited January 2008
    not sure on the pr size
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited January 2008
    That would be a 10" PR.
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  • BrettT1
    BrettT1 Posts: 560
    edited January 2008
    Those things look CLEAN. Hope ya get 'em.
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited January 2008
    I knew I had specs around....

    1981Monitor10.jpg
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited January 2008
    Face wrote: »
    Do those only have a 8" PR? Those are definitely the "original" M10's or Monitor 10's.

    That's what I thought; the very 1st original M10's used an 8" PR rather than a 10". The one Bob quoted the specs from seems to be a later gen just based on the black baffle surface. Who knows for sure. :)
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited January 2008
    heiney9 wrote: »
    That's what I thought; the very 1st original M10's used an 8" PR rather than a 10". The one Bob quoted the specs from seems to be a later gen just based on the black baffle surface. Who knows for sure. :)

    That's very possible. I made a quick look back through some of my papers and this was the oldest, just plain 10 I came up with. I might have more info on these around somewhere....
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited January 2008
    Wow look clean. Good luck with the auction.

    Lucky I came here before i bidded. I almost got into a bidding war with a club member.
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited January 2008
    Looking at the two versions of the "Mon-10" I just don't don't see a difference in scale as to the room taken up by the two mids which are 13"across total and the PRs underneath them. I'm guessing then that even the "brown faced" Monitors were built with 10" PRs like the "black faced" ones. What do you guys think?

    BlackMon-10.jpgBrownMon-10-01.jpg
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited January 2008
    Bob, you are correct, the original 7's used a 8" Pr. The 10's, from start to finish , always had a 10" Pr.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Monitor 7b's front
    Monitor 4's surround
    Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
    M10's back surround
    Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
    Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
    Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
    Harman/Kardon AVR-635
    Oppo 981hd
    Denon upconvert DVD player
    Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
    Mit RPTV WS-55513
    Tosh HD-XA1
    B&K AV5000


    Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek:
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited January 2008
    The two images you have are still early versions.

    Note: the Peerless tweeters in both. Didn't they get the SL2000 in the later versions?
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited January 2008
    Joe08867 wrote: »
    The two images you have are still early versions.

    Note: the Peerless tweeters in both. Didn't they get the SL2000 in the later versions?

    They went from Peerless (HL1000), to sl1000, to sl2000 in mid to late 80's. Series 2's had the sl2000.
    Monitor 7b's front
    Monitor 4's surround
    Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
    M10's back surround
    Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
    Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
    Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
    Harman/Kardon AVR-635
    Oppo 981hd
    Denon upconvert DVD player
    Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
    Mit RPTV WS-55513
    Tosh HD-XA1
    B&K AV5000


    Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,204
    edited January 2008
    jakelm wrote: »
    Bob, you are correct, the original 7's used a 8" Pr. The 10's, from start to finish , always had a 10" Pr.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    That's clicking with my memory now.........it was the 7's that started out with a smaller PR in the beginning. Thanks Jake.

    You are correct Bob McG all the 10's had a 10" PR.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited January 2008
    I have always wondered why Polk changed from 8" Pr's to 10" Pr's. Seems to me that the 6.5 midbass drivers would have drove (moved), the 8" Pr alot easier. With an 8" Pr having alittle more excursion, the bass responce would have been better. Maybe not...

    Full power, seems the 10" on ly has a Xmax of about ~3mm-4mm. Where as maybe double that for the 8". An 8" with ~6mm-8mm or even 10mm, would have performed better, no?
    Monitor 7b's front
    Monitor 4's surround
    Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
    M10's back surround
    Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
    Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
    Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
    Harman/Kardon AVR-635
    Oppo 981hd
    Denon upconvert DVD player
    Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
    Mit RPTV WS-55513
    Tosh HD-XA1
    B&K AV5000


    Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2008
    Mike Kozak wrote: »
    I will be winning these as I do not care how much they go for. What should I expect to pay?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200195276487&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DBidding


    If there's one more bidder that thinks like you do, you might pay thousands ;)


    They do look in pretty good condition; are you picking them up? Lots of stories of drivers getting frozen due to shipping...

    Good luck.
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  • Mike Kozak
    Mike Kozak Posts: 931
    edited January 2008
    I am going to have them shipped, I am hoping they arrive in good condition, but I am a bit worried about the drivers getting frozen on their way to me. By the way, the bid now is 200.00 not including shipping!!
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,964
    edited January 2008
    FWIW... The very original Polk Audio Model 10 had a plain-paper (not coated-paper) PR.
    The ones I have also lack the Polk hole (i.e., the hole that Polk polked) in the Peerless tweeters. I think the hol(e)y Peerless came a bit later.

    P1020559.jpg
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  • Mike Kozak
    Mike Kozak Posts: 931
    edited January 2008
    Thanks, I am glad these do not have the paper PR. They should sound pretty good
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  • jakelm
    jakelm Posts: 4,081
    edited January 2008
    Mike Kozak wrote: »
    Thanks, I am glad these do not have the paper PR. They should sound pretty good

    The originals do have the paper Pr. But still excellent. Those seem to have been replaced with the new Pr.
    Monitor 7b's front
    Monitor 4's surround
    Frankinpolk Center (2 mw6503's with peerless tweeter)
    M10's back surround
    Hafler-200 driving patio Daytons
    Tempest-X 15" DIY sub w/ Rythmik 350A plate amp
    Dayton 12" DVC w/ Rythmik 350a plate amp
    Harman/Kardon AVR-635
    Oppo 981hd
    Denon upconvert DVD player
    Jennings Research (vintage and rare)
    Mit RPTV WS-55513
    Tosh HD-XA1
    B&K AV5000


    Dont BAN me Bro!!!!:eek:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2008
    Almost two hours to go and already at $200...You are free to do what you want, but if it was me I would stop bidding. You can find them on ebay for less than that frequently, and they also show up on local craiglists. Just a thought.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited January 2008
    Good luck...2 more hours to go....
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,964
    edited January 2008
    I paid less than $100 for my pair, locally.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2008
    I paid $50 for a beautiful pair of Monitor 10's with a bad poly, $50 for a ok set of Monitor 7C's, and $50 for a MINT set of Monitor 7's with Peerless tweets. Just keep your eyes on Craigslist.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,964
    edited January 2008
    original Models 7 and 10 (from my ca. 1976 brochure)

    earlypolkfamilyportrait.jpg
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited January 2008
    mrh, thanks for posting those old-timers. :)

    FWIW: The black faced 10s I posted earlier are from 1981.
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  • cubdog
    cubdog Posts: 835
    edited January 2008
    Good luck...but your talking about alot of money for Monitor 10s. Facter in possible shipping damage and it seems a bit excessive.

    cubdog
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