Signal Cable vs Blue Jeans Cable

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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2007
    ABX wrote: »
    Too bad the poll does not have a "no difference" option ?
    ABX

    Looking at the posts you have made so far - I assume you have something you would like to sell to us... (based on 22 one line and worthless posts in one day.)

    Only 3 posts to go before you can be ignored in the Flea Market. (except for the vultures threadcrapping on your sale - I certainly hope to be one of them.)

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited October 2007
    ABX wrote: »
    Too bad the poll does not have a "no difference" option ?
    ABX

    Even if we were to assume these cables sound identical there are still differences between manufacturers.

    There will be differences in turn around time, customer service, build quality, cost, etc.
    The Basement HT
    PC Rig
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited October 2007
    McLoki wrote: »
    Looking at the posts you have made so far - I assume you have something you would like to sell to us... (based on 22 one line and worthless posts in one day.)

    Only 3 posts to go before you can be ignored in the Flea Market. (except for the vultures threadcrapping on your sale - I certainly hope to be one of them.)

    Michael
    ABX
    Polkie
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    Where's Jesse?
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  • ABX
    ABX Posts: 109
    edited October 2007
    McLoki wrote: »
    Looking at the posts you have made so far - I assume you have something you would like to sell to us... (based on 22 one line and worthless posts in one day.)

    Only 3 posts to go before you can be ignored in the Flea Market. (except for the vultures threadcrapping on your sale - I certainly hope to be one of them.)

    Michael
    Wanna buy some Zip Cord ?
    I have developed a proprietary method of making the path the electrons follow better.
    Happy Electrons = Better Sound.
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  • ABX
    ABX Posts: 109
    edited October 2007
    Gaara wrote: »
    Even if we were to assume these cables sound identical there are still differences between manufacturers.

    There will be differences in turn around time, customer service, build quality, cost, etc.
    Now THAT I can agree with.
    And, do not forget pride of ownership either ?
    If I pay considerable money for cables, I would expect them to sound better.
    My mind would not disappoint me.

    Unfortunately, scientific ABX testing has never proven there really is any sonic difference in wire.
    I own AudioQuest Cable, Nordost, and some Paul Spielz Anti Cables.
    Got some old tara labs space and time too, and some MIT Cables.
    Bought it used cheap cause it looks cool.

    Gets oohs and aahs from audiophiles, and neighbors who don't know any better.
    Makes me look cool.

    I even built some Jon Risch Cable out of double Belden Coax, and have made speaker wires out of mega twisted pair cables.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited October 2007
    Gee...we have another "expert" on the forum now. He's here to show us the error of our ways. Aren't we lucky. :rolleyes:
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2007
    ABX wrote: »
    Wanna buy some Zip Cord ?
    I have developed a proprietary method of making the path the electrons follow better.
    Happy Electrons = Better Sound.

    You have tried different cables and found them to sound the same - thats fine. I have tried different cables as well and find them to sound different.

    All that proves is that if someone wants to know, they need to try it themselves. You may hear a difference with my system/environment - I may not hear a difference with yours. Who knows?

    You like your system - great. I like mine too. I recommend to everyone - ask opinions but verify conclusions yourself. Never take someone elses word for what you will or won't hear with your ears from your system in your room.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited October 2007
    My spider sense is tingling.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited October 2007
    I'm watching for the bat signal in the sky
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • bronxkid
    bronxkid Posts: 21
    edited October 2007
    Is the signal cable sold as bare cable? I think they're closed for the weekend since I haven't gotten an answer via email.
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  • fumoffu
    fumoffu Posts: 80
    edited October 2007
    I saw this thread a couple days ago and thought best to avoid it. But after looking at the signal cable website there were a couple of items which poped out at me. First is the "Magic Strip". This product seems like it violates some code because it has at 15 amp plug, for 20 amp outlets. It really should have a NEMA 5-20P so you can't plug a device that requires 20 amps in a 15 amp circuit. Second they sell "Cable Riser, and make some iteresting claims.

    I do find them to look quite sexy!!! :D
    Home Theatre: Epson 5020ub, Elite Screen Sable Frame 100", Onkyo 818, Oppo BDP-103, Tivo Series 3, Xbox 360, Sealed Dual Sound Splinter RL-p 15" DIY sub powered by Behringer EP2500 with FBD, QSC RMX1400 powering LSi15, LSiC, LSiFX sides, and Lsi7 for the back, Technics SL-1200M3D
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited October 2007
    Where do you read that it's a 15amp plug? I don't see any "code" violations, please enlighten us?
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited October 2007
    It must be a full moon ............ somewhere :rolleyes:
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,770
    edited October 2007
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Kill yourself

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • fumoffu
    fumoffu Posts: 80
    edited October 2007
    MikeC78 wrote: »
    Where do you read that it's a 15amp plug? I don't see any "code" violations, please enlighten us?

    It looks like a NEMA 5-15P on the end of it to me, I could be wrong. I also just searched UL for Signal Group and wasn't able to find anything. Again, I could be wrong. If someone has other information that is more accurate please "enlighten" me.
    Home Theatre: Epson 5020ub, Elite Screen Sable Frame 100", Onkyo 818, Oppo BDP-103, Tivo Series 3, Xbox 360, Sealed Dual Sound Splinter RL-p 15" DIY sub powered by Behringer EP2500 with FBD, QSC RMX1400 powering LSi15, LSiC, LSiFX sides, and Lsi7 for the back, Technics SL-1200M3D
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2007
    I 99% sure about this.... 15 amp outlet could be power a 20 amp outlet without a code violation. This is due to the fact the 20 amp device couldn't pull more then 15 amp from the outlet in the first place.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • ABX
    ABX Posts: 109
    edited October 2007
    McLoki wrote: »
    You have tried different cables and found them to sound the same - thats fine. I have tried different cables as well and find them to sound different.

    All that proves is that if someone wants to know, they need to try it themselves. You may hear a difference with my system/environment - I may not hear a difference with yours. Who knows?

    You like your system - great. I like mine too. I recommend to everyone - ask opinions but verify conclusions yourself. Never take someone elses word for what you will or won't hear with your ears from your system in your room.

    Michael
    Good advice!
    Try it for yourself ?
    I do have expensive cables I gathered over the years.
    Use em too.
    No harm in it.
    I just doubt that in an ABX test there will be any difference, but they look cool.
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  • ABX
    ABX Posts: 109
    edited October 2007
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    My spider sense is tingling.
    Really ?
    Your system must be sounding good !
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  • ABX
    ABX Posts: 109
    edited October 2007
    dkg999 wrote: »
    It must be a full moon ............ somewhere :rolleyes:
    Naw, Illinois LOST, so did da Bears :(
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  • ABX
    ABX Posts: 109
    edited October 2007
    shack wrote: »
    Gee...we have another "expert" on the forum now. He's here to show us the error of our ways. Aren't we lucky. :rolleyes:
    No No NO.
    Experiment, have fun.
    But someday, take an ABX Test.
    It can be an ear opening experience.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited October 2007
    (is he talking to himself?)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,770
    edited October 2007
    Nah

    Just to quotes ---

    This way he can create his own conversations -- and win ALL the arguments
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2007
    cfrizz wrote: »
    LOL! This is precisely why he does it. This kind of loyalty & publicity is very hard to come by.

    It pays for itself, so of course he's going to give away a few cables, since he will more than get the money back from referrals.

    That's just smart business sense!


    yea he should stop right away...........:p I mean he just gives them away so he can sell them to the rest of us.....you are so wrong Cat, you have no idea what you are talking about, a few cables, is that what you really think???? You do not have a clue, enjoy your BJC.

    Ted
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,203
    edited October 2007
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    (is he talking to himself?)

    He's channeling Ka7niq..........errrrrr......wait they are one in the same.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2007
    Well, I think everyone deserves a second chance.....
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited October 2007
    Welcome back Ted I hope you are feeling better.:)

    Maybe, & maybe not Ted. You all won't admit it, but I'm probably closer to the truth than you think.

    But quite "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn".:p :D

    These cable debates are old. As I said before, I let my practicality & wallet make the decision for me!:)
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    yea he should stop right away...........:p I mean he just gives them away so he can sell them to the rest of us.....you are so wrong Cat, you have no idea what you are talking about, a few cables, is that what you really think???? You do not have a clue, enjoy your BJC.

    Ted
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,203
    edited October 2007
    HTrookie wrote: »
    Well, I think everyone deserves a second chance.....

    I agree....
    CFrizz wrote:
    These cable debates are old. As I said before

    Bottom line Frank has been good to our forum, he seems like a stand up guy and if you don't feel you need to spend a small fortune on cables Signal is my choice. I don't think this is nec. a debate as it is people in the know (including yourself) commenting on their experiences. Other threads have gotten ugly. Plus, the poster has gone a completely different route.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2007
    Thanks Cat and yes feeling much better now.

    I let my ears decide, my wallet has no say............Blue Jeans are fine entry level cables, I still use them in my HT. What's to admit??? Frank Dai has supported our PolkFest's with many many (as in not a few) free demo sets of cables, he continues to support our Club. Good Business---You better believe it.

    RT1
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited October 2007
    Dont forget burn in time on those new cables to allow them to "open up"

    P
    Life without music would♭
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited October 2007
    I let my ears decide for the speakers & the electronics. Beyond that, the wallet has the final say.

    As I have said, both are well made American grown products & both will do just fine in any system, regardless of whether or not someone tosses in free demo sets to CP to help get a built in customer base.
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    Thanks Cat and yes feeling much better now.

    I let my ears decide, my wallet has no say............Blue Jeans are fine entry level cables, I still use them in my HT. What's to admit??? Frank Dai has supported our PolkFest's with many many (as in not a few) free demo sets of cables, he continues to support our Club. Good Business---You better believe it.

    RT1
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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