Cables can be everything!

madmax
madmax Posts: 12,434
edited August 2007 in 2 Channel Audio
I moved my system around and ended up wanting to try my turntable a little further away from the preamp. I added a 1 foot extention cable. Man, it sounded like crap! Not just a little different. I guess at those .2mv levels even a slight change gets very dramatic. I have a lot more respect for turntable cables now!
madmax
Vinyl, the final frontier...

Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2007
    It's all in your mind. Cables don't matter.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited July 2007
    ouch that hurt LOL
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    The sound was totally incoherent, very congested, noisy, no definition...

    Now I need to find some sort of table or something big enough for my turntable, phono pre, phono pre power supply and TT motor power supply. Maybe I'll just remove the couch and chair... :)
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2007
    Just get a bean bag chair and you'll be set.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    Na, beans rattle.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2007
    Electrons get very tired running down extra wire. There's my cable knowledge summed up in a brief statement.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Electrons get very tired running down extra wire. There's my cable knowledge summed up in a brief statement.

    Thats exactly why I keep all mine on a horizontal plane.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • haimoc
    haimoc Posts: 1,031
    edited July 2007
    madmax wrote: »
    Thats exactly why I keep all mine on a horizontal plane.
    madmax

    Good idea. Some electrons fall off my cables from running downhill.
    -?¿-
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited July 2007
    Electrons.......that's old school. My cables transfer sub atomic particles. They work quite well, because cables don't make a difference:D:p
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    I think what I was hearing was a lack of microdynamics.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    I always keep my cables running downhill to help the electrons flow, its not generally a problem until I get to the amp because I have to run the cables uphill those last few 8 inches or so to the connection on the back of the amp, so for my next upgrade I am going to dig out the Woodshed floor install a ventilation system and place the amp in the hole, but then what to do with the speaker cables?? It cannot be good to have the speaker cables run uphill can it?? So I guess I will have to build a whole lower level, damm I love upgrades.

    RT1
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited July 2007
    I thought I clicked on Polk Audio............

    Instead I got the Benny Hill show......:D
    HT SYSTEM-
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    All righty then!!!:eek: :D

    Obviously there is a full moon out, or people have been smokin something they shouldn't have!:D :D:D:D
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • Polkersince85
    Polkersince85 Posts: 2,883
    edited July 2007
    Ya'll be quiet! I'm practicing Newtonian Physics. That part about a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by an external force. So don't wake me up.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited July 2007
    I'm speechless
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2007
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Electrons get very tired running down extra wire. There's my cable knowledge summed up in a brief statement.

    HA! Electrons! Just another audio myth.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited July 2007
    So there's Electrons to this sound stuff :confused:

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    The electrons only form the medium for the staff and notes to ride on, they have time, rythym, timbre, frequency and amplitude.

    RT1
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited July 2007
    madmax wrote: »
    Na, beans rattle.
    madmax


    Get the bean bags made from crushed walnut, for rich bass and chocolaty midrange. Avoid bean bags stuffed with buckwheat husks, they add sibilance.
    Never Forget
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited July 2007
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    The electrons only form the medium for the staff and notes to ride on, they have time, rythym, timbre, frequency and amplitude.

    RT1

    But where the HELL is his brother Neutron??????????? :confused:;)

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • phuz
    phuz Posts: 2,372
    edited July 2007
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    But where the HELL is his brother Neutron??????????? :confused:;)

    Kickin' it with the Protons.

    Please, please lets not take the cable debate to a sub-atomic level. :p

    I can see it already: "Super strings rob your system of sub atomic particles, sending up to half your digital signal into other dimensions! Our patented combination of leptons and other sub atomic particles in our shielding create an extra dimensional barrier as they decay, preventing the loss of valuable positrons and other important atomic particles in the signal path. You will notice a much wider soundstage, fuller low end, liquid mids and highs, and even details that just weren't there before! Only $499.99 per foot, and with a combined half life of over 10 years these cables will give you years worth of aural pleasure!"

    :p:p:p
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    Oh, you said aural. NM. :D
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2007
    I have decided to take my listening to the total next level. PSYCHIC LISTENING. The voices in my head (that I have been hearing for years) are teaching me to bypass the amplification and sound mode entirely. I simply put on a CD or LP into the source and close my eyes...concetrate...and the music comes to me. No need for amps, speakers and most of all cables.

    Granted, this is only the first step. The voices tell me that eventually I will be able to simply hold the music storage medium in my hand and hear the music, totally bypassing all reproduction equipment. This will be the purest path possible. I'm just glad that the cable issue will be of no concern anymore.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    Do you grasp the sound through alpha or beta neuron receptors? If you do an AB test I bet you cannot tell the difference.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2007
    madmax wrote: »
    Do you grasp the sound through alpha or beta neuron receptors? If you do an AB test I bet you cannot tell the difference.

    I'm taking it well beyond this level to a much higher Metaphysical plane. I mean really...neuron receptors are just so...basic.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    yes, but which soap you use to cleanse the receptor is everything, I will now simply Gestalt the Rig.

    I know not what has traveled this path but only that a pulse has passed this way.

    RT1--random thought--cables matter because they are matter, extremely simple Watson.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited July 2007
    phuz wrote: »
    Kickin' it with the Protons.

    Please, please lets not take the cable debate to a sub-atomic level. :p

    I can see it already: "Super strings rob your system of sub atomic particles, sending up to half your digital signal into other dimensions! Our patented combination of leptons and other sub atomic particles in our shielding create an extra dimensional barrier as they decay, preventing the loss of valuable positrons and other important atomic particles in the signal path. You will notice a much wider soundstage, fuller low end, liquid mids and highs, and even details that just weren't there before! Only $499.99 per foot, and with a combined half life of over 10 years these cables will give you years worth of aural pleasure!"

    :p:p:p

    Please don't tell me this is "snake oil". I pulled out my 401K and invested it in the company, and I own 2 pairs of Super String Subatomic enhancer/blocker super dimensional superaxial speaker cables. :eek: :p:D

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    What did the big cable say to the little cable???












    Too bad your not able to keep CURRENT on this thing.

    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:D
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  • daveyg2
    daveyg2 Posts: 26
    edited August 2007
    shack wrote: »
    It's all in your mind. Cables don't matter.

    When you use cheap crap they dont matter. For everyone else of course they matter. Can change the entire systems sound right away. i have cables that are very very dark sounding, some that are bright. You hear it right away. Try using good cables and see the difference. If not then dont comment on things you dont know about.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited August 2007
    daveyg2 wrote: »
    When you use cheap crap they dont matter. For everyone else of course they matter. Can change the entire systems sound right away. i have cables that are very very dark sounding, some that are bright. You hear it right away. Try using good cables and see the difference. If not then dont comment on things you dont know about.

    yeah Shack. don't comment on things you don't know about. newbie. :rolleyes: :p:p;)
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