Upgradeitis. Need some advice on Cinenova Grande

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  • Skynut
    Skynut Posts: 2,967
    edited July 2007
    It is better to have and not want than to want and not have.

    And you can quote me on that.
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  • Lowell_M
    Lowell_M Posts: 1,660
    edited July 2007
    ...nevermind. I didn't realize I was Three pages behind.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    :D You are quite welcome Sab! Once again welcome to Club Polk. Get that Cinenova amp & you & your wife enjoy!!!:D

    sabotg wrote: »
    Whoa. Wasn't this thing at like 20 posts yesterday. :eek: I didn't mean to stir the pot here. Thank you to everyone for all your input. Cfrizz I'll just move in with you and we can close this post :D
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited July 2007
    So that is what Cathy is like when you get her riled. You go girl!
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    :D Well HD, how bout I send someone over to your house to take your amp & you can go back to having your speakers powered by your receiver?

    Whadaya say?:D :D:D:D
    Holydoc wrote: »
    So that is what Cathy is like when you get her riled. You go girl!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited July 2007
    I wonder what would happen if a burgler tried to steal Cathy's Sunfire and she caught him, after explaining to him that it has 200 watts, he is a dead man...:D
    V
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited July 2007
    cfrizz wrote: »
    :D Well HD, how bout I send someone over to your house to take your amp & you can go back to having your speakers powered by your receiver?

    Whadaya say?:D :D:D:D

    Eeep! :eek:

    Love ya, Cathy!
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
    __________________________________________
    Panasonic -50PX600U 50" Plasma
    Onkyo -TX-NR901 Receiver
    Oppo -Oppo 980HD Universal DVD Player
    Outlaw -770 (7x200watt) Amplifier
    PolkAudio - RTi12 (Left and Right)
    PolkAudio - CSi5 (Center)
    PolkAudio - FXi3 (Back and Surround)
    SVS - PB-12/Plus (Subwoofer)
    Bluejean Cables - Interconnects
    Logitech Harmony 880 - Remote
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    (Giggle) Love you too HD! BTW I'm sending you a 24" machete to keep on hand to protect your precious amp!!!:D Mine is 36" long!

    Does that answer your question V?:D :D:D:D
    Holydoc wrote: »
    Eeep! :eek:

    Love ya, Cathy!
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited July 2007
    cfrizz wrote: »
    (Giggle) Love you too HD! BTW I'm sending you a 24" machete to keep on hand to protect your precious amp!!!:D Mine is 36" long!

    Does that answer your question V?:D :D:D:D

    Yours is bigger than mine Cathy :p
    I pity the fool that messes with your gear.
    V
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2007
    Earthquake Cinenova 5 on Audiogon.
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  • woofiepaws
    woofiepaws Posts: 215
    edited July 2007
    Dang. I should have bought one of these. Enought power for the ssurrounds for the rest of my life, buy what I want for the mains. Seven channel was a mistake for me.
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  • sabotg
    sabotg Posts: 126
    edited July 2007
    Thanks for all the help. I managed to snag a 7 channel the other day. Now it's time to rewire my back room and buy some quality RCA connectors :D
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  • olilugo
    olilugo Posts: 405
    edited July 2007
    Can anyone give some insight as to where and how much did you pay for your amp was it used/new.

    I know for sure the Gineova is out of my price range, but what would be the next amp out of this list?

    The outlaw 7200 is 1850.00 (new) - what do you guys thing about this amp
    The Rotel RMB-1095 is 2000.00 (new)
    The Parasound 5250 is 2500 (new)
    Sunfire TGA7200 and TGA 5200 can not find (new) pricing
    Ginenova Grande 5 is 4500(new) the 7 is 6000(new)
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    Any of those amps will get the job done for you. All make quality equipment. If you don't want to get new, keep an eye out on Audiogon for those amps.
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited July 2007
    venomclan wrote: »
    Yours is bigger than mine Cathy :p
    I should make this my signature. :D :eek: :D


    REGARDS SNOW
    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
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  • XJRGUY
    XJRGUY Posts: 258
    edited July 2007
    tonyb wrote: »
    I tend to agree with the overkill thing.That cinova is way more than you need and it's not exactly wife friendly given it's size.Start with a used adcom,carver,B&K, for the front 3 channels.Either of those can be had used for 3-500 bucks and can be re-sold for the same if you don't like it.

    Don't forget Soundcraftsmen too!
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  • XJRGUY
    XJRGUY Posts: 258
    edited July 2007
    olilugo wrote: »
    Can anyone give some insight as to where and how much did you pay for your amp was it used/new.

    I know for sure the Gineova is out of my price range, but what would be the next amp out of this list?

    The outlaw 7200 is 1850.00 (new) - what do you guys thing about this amp
    The Rotel RMB-1095 is 2000.00 (new)
    The Parasound 5250 is 2500 (new)
    Sunfire TGA7200 and TGA 5200 can not find (new) pricing
    Ginenova Grande 5 is 4500(new) the 7 is 6000(new)

    For 6000 bucks are those Cinenova's even made somewhere that justifies that price? Last I heard they were manufactured overseas.

    $6000 is McIntosh territory.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:D :D:D:D
    snow wrote: »
    I should make this my signature. :D :eek: :D


    REGARDS SNOW
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,664
    edited July 2007
    sabotg,
    Just look in the FM there are somr great amps in there.
    engtaz

    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited July 2007
    I read somewhere that the Cinenovas are hand assembled in CA, not sure if they are manufactured there as well.

    the RMB-1095 can usually be had for around $1300-$1500, prices are a little low now because we are in a summer lull.

    The Cinenova Grande 5 can usually be had for around $3000 new and <$2000 used.
    The Basement HT
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  • sabotg
    sabotg Posts: 126
    edited July 2007
    I got the Cinenova 7 on Audiogon new for about $3K plus shipping.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2007
    sabotg wrote: »
    I got the Cinenova 7 on Audiogon new for about $3K plus shipping.

    Does the 7 have the same power?
    Sharp Elite 70
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    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
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    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited July 2007
    the 3 5 and 7 all have the same power ratings. Not sure how as the modules are thinner for the 7 as opposed to the 5 and 3, unless they cut down on heatsinks.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited July 2007
    Chips are for snacks, not amps! (except subs)
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Ben
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    You forgot to add...In YOUR opinion.

    Some people like the sound of them just fine.
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Chips are for snacks, not amps! (except subs)
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited July 2007
    cfrizz wrote: »
    You forgot to add...In YOUR opinion.

    Some people like the sound of them just fine.
    (typing with a smile)
    I had to do it:D I have never heard that amp, and I knew you were going to politely spank me for that one;)
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited July 2007
    Chips are for snacks, not amps! (except subs)

    Have you ever tried a chip amp to qualify that statement?
    edit: I guess not

    I don't know of any subs that use them, care to name a few?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited July 2007
    Yes. I had a Sunfire Cinema Grand 200x5, and I compared it to an Adcom 585. The Adcom beat it hands down. I was very excited about getting the Cinema. My friend was there, and she also did not like the sound. I unhooked it after 20 minutes and sold it! Nothing was better about the Cinema except cool running. It was way to edgy IMHO. Almost all sub plates are chip amps.

    Here is a link to my comparo
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50846
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • Gaara
    Gaara Posts: 2,415
    edited July 2007
    Thats right, you tried the Sunfire for a while and flipped it. Just a FYI, the Cinema isn't a chip amp.

    Chip amps are a type of amp that feature few parts and the shortest possible signal paths. They are all based around op-amps like the LM3886, and generally have low levels of capacitance. Their main benefit is they sound great and yet are very cheap to build (I bought my 2ch 50wpc for ~$160).

    With the subs comment you are mistaking class D power with chip amps I assume. Chip amps are all class a/b by design.
    The Basement HT
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited July 2007
    Gaara wrote: »
    Thats right, you tried the Sunfire for a while and flipped it. Just a FYI, the Cinema isn't a chip amp.

    Chip amps are a type of amp that feature few parts and the shortest possible signal paths. They are all based around op-amps like the LM3886, and generally have low levels of capacitance. Their main benefit is they sound great and yet are very cheap to build (I bought my 2ch 50wpc for ~$160).

    To me anything not A-A/B, and of the high efficiency design does not do well with sound(I left out tubes). Check out the link. I am not going to go over all the post there. Yes I did flip it very quickly. It did not take long to figure out that I did not like it. Thats my opinion, and it is shared by many others that I respect their opinions. I was very disappointed in my purchase, and I wouldn't feel right for not sharing my experience. If someone likes these kinds of amps that is great. The hobby should be to enjoy. I am not trying to offend anyone. For the kind of cash being spent I would think seriously about getting Adcom, parasound, or a few others with less watts, but better SQ.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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