Almost burglerized!

wingnut4772

Skynut wrote: »

How about when you go to leave for work in the morning and realize the garage door has been open all night.

Ok. I can't embarass myself twice in one thread.:p

bobman1235

wingnut4772 wrote: »

If they are in your house, they are fair game. Castle Doctrine - at least in Florida.

Florida is awesome.

In Massachusetts, you have to have ... I forget the phrase they use... reasonable threat... something or other. Someone could break into your house, let's say unarmed, punch you in the face and knock you out, then burgle you. If you woke up while they were rummaging your house, got a firearm, and they again came at you, I still don't think you're allowed to use it, since they did not use that level of force on you.

The sad thing is, the majority of people in this pinko state agree with that. Protect the criminals :rolleyes:

wingnut4772

bobman1235 wrote: »

Florida is awesome.

In Massachusetts, you have to have ... I forget the phrase they use... reasonable threat... something or other. Someone could break into your house, let's say unarmed, punch you in the face and knock you out, then burgle you. If you woke up while they were rummaging your house, got a firearm, and they again came at you, I still don't think you're allowed to use it, since they did not use that level of force on you.

The sad thing is, the majority of people in this pinko state agree with that. Protect the criminals :rolleyes:

Blame that on the Liberals. Even though I consider myself a moderate I am a pretty staunch conservative when it comes self defense law. I think the 'duty to retreat ' stuff is bullcrap. If a bad guy has made the choice to commit a violent crime or forcibly enter my home I say Blammo!

steveinaz

You never shoot-to-wound anyone. You shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all. A prosecutor will chew you up and spit you out if you can't convince the jury that you feared for your life---shooting someone to wound is NOT fearing for your life. TRUST ME on this. Nor do you ever shoot someone attempting to leave (aka running away). That ol urban legend about "draggin them back in the house" don't work, Forensic evidence will show that the individual was shot from behind. The main objective is to get the individual(s) out of your home.

Bottom line, be justified in your shooting. Use the best/most gun you can handle, that fits your situation. A shotgun (20 gauge minimum) is arguably the best home defense gun available. It's intimidating, powerful, reliable, and doesn't require intense shooting skills to use.

steveinaz

wingnut4772 wrote: »

If a bad guy has made the choice to commit a violent crime or forcibly enter my home I say Blammo!

Blammo!...ROTFLMAO!!!!

disneyjoe7

I would shoot to take out, not too hurt but too KILL.

wingnut4772

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

I would shoot to take out, not too hurt but too KILL.

Well..you want to 'stop the deadly threat' and Steve is absolutely right that you MUST articulate that you were in fear for your life.

SLOCOOKN

wingnut4772 wrote: »

Well..you want to 'stop the deadly threat' and Steve is absolutely right that you MUST articulate that you were in fear for your life.

You should not discuss the incident. Be polite to the police and explain that you need your lawyer present before being questioned. You have to protect yourself in this area as well.

BIZILL

SLOCOOKN wrote: »

We will be staying at her parents house tonight. We will be dog watching as they will be at the Dobbie Brothers concert in Kansas City, MO.

I'd leave wifey there and keep guard over the homefront, imho.

Bill Ayotte

From what I have read here in TN, they don't even have to be in the house, I can pop him climbing through the window...I am fairly sure that more than one bullet would be fired too...

steveinaz

I think you'll find 99% of the time, the police are giving a big thumbs up in these situations, internally. I know that is generally the attitude in Arizona. Hey, if you don't like being killed, STF outta my house.

steveinaz

Bill Ayotte wrote: »

From what I have read here in TN, they don't even have to be in the house, I can pop him climbing through the window...I am fairly sure that more than one bullet would be fired too...

Each state has it's own rules with these situations. Being an NRA member, I was glad to see Florida approve the Castle Doctrine. Bad guys LOVE unarmed citizens.

wingnut4772

SLOCOOKN wrote: »

You should not discuss the incident. Be polite to the police and explain that you need your lawyer present before being questioned. You have to protect yourself in this area as well.

True but you don't have to withold the basic info such as 'he broke into my house, he had a gun or other exonerating information. If it's true:p

steveinaz

wingnut4772 wrote: »

True but you don't have to withold the basic info such as 'he broke into my house, he had a gun or other exonerating information. If it's true:p

Exactly. Give the facts, no more, no less. Situations like these get your adrenaline pumping, and you'll likely be very emotional---try to stay focused/level headed.

Mike682

Glad to hear nothing happened!

Just to add/elaborate on some points since my house was hit when we weren't home:

1) Reinforce all doors with 1" full throw deadbolts and install the reinforcing plate and 3" reinforcing screws supplied with the deadbolt. A 1" deadbolt is useless if the strike plate/door jam is not reinforced to the studs. Also use the double sided deadbolts (both sides use a key) with doors that have glass

2) Get a security system. My house was the first house on the block without a security system sign

3) Motion lights are a must.

4) Lock all the windows, especially on the first floor.

5) Outdoor security cams are a very good deterrent. The really cool thing is that you can check on your house from work! You can also set it to record on your comp only after motion is detected. My friend has this system ( I will very soon) and they like it:
http://www.wilife.com/Products/Outdoor-Camera.aspx

steveinaz

Bad guys hate lights, it's a cheap investment just to turn them on every night before going to bed. All of my outside lights go on, every night.

Mike682

steveinaz wrote: »

Bad guys hate lights, it's a cheap investment just to turn them on every night before going to bed. All of my outside lights go on, every night.

me too

I run the energy saver bulbs by my doors.

hearingimpared

bobman1235 wrote: »

Florida is awesome.

In Massachusetts, you have to have ... I forget the phrase they use... reasonable threat... something or other. Someone could break into your house, let's say unarmed, punch you in the face and knock you out, then burgle you. If you woke up while they were rummaging your house, got a firearm, and they again came at you, I still don't think you're allowed to use it, since they did not use that level of force on you.

The sad thing is, the majority of people in this pinko state agree with that. Protect the criminals :rolleyes:

"They come at you with a knife, you use a gun; they put one of yours in the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue!"

bobman1235

Is that the Chicago way?

hearingimpared

bobman1235 wrote: »

Is that the Chicago way?

Yep and it works in Boston too!!!:D I think?

Systems

hearingimpared wrote: »

12 guage pump shotgun!!! Point in direction of bad guy,. squeeze. . .bad guy down!

Now where is the sport in that.



Its a good thing they did'nt get through that door,or you would have had to make a life changing decision for him and you.

disneyjoe7

You know the saying "Dead people don't talk"

W WALDECKER

I keep a Heckler & Koch P9S loaded with 147 grain Black Talons for home defence.

audiobliss

Dad has a bunch of Black Talons as well, though I'm not sure what size or for which gun. He's definitely for using them for self-defense.

mrbigbluelight

"You enter."
"You die".

From the Book of Mossberg 500.
2 shotshells, then the solid copper slugs get jacked.

Good idea, btw, regarding the car alarm. That could be an effective deterrent to intruders.

neomagus00

if you keep clips loaded, consider cycling new rounds through them every once in a while... i've heard tales (maybe true, maybe urban legends) of springs binding inside the clip when the thing has been loaded for too long... just a thought...

Bill Ayotte

neomagus00 wrote: »

if you keep clips loaded, consider cycling new rounds through them every once in a while... i've heard tales (maybe true, maybe urban legends) of springs binding inside the clip when the thing has been loaded for too long... just a thought...

NOT urban legend....I reload mine once a week...I have seen a lot of military spec M9 and M4/16 mags do this, but it is somewhat of an extreme circumstance, some of the people over there never need to use any rounds, but they still get issued and load up their mags...They don't get touched until the ammo is turned back in, and they pull that top round out, all of the others pour out on the table...Kinda fun to watch..:D

steveinaz

Auto-pistol cartridges can also suffer from bullet "set-back" if you chamber the same first round over & over again. I personally don't chamber a round in my night stand gun, though there is a full magazine in it. It's a smart practice to down load your magazine x 2. For example, my Glock 17 mags hold 17 rounds---I load 15. I do the same with all of my magazine-fed firearms. I also rotate between 3 magazines for my Glock. 2 are always loaded, 1 is empty.

Jstas

SLOCOOKN wrote: »

You certainly have some valid points! I would take issue with the statement that bird shot would take someone's head clean off! I am an avid bird hunter and can attest to the lethality of #4 heavishot at 20 yards to a turkey. I don't believe that it would blow a persons head clean off....There was a show on mythbuster's recently about shooting a hat off someones head. The results with a shot gun were bad but no where even close to decapitation.

At point blank range, like in your hallway, birdshot can do enough damage to sever a limb. Maybe "clean off" was a bit extreme but it will remove enough of your neck that your head will feel a bit lonely. Eitherway, that's a big gun to point at some and there are alot of consequences that can follow once that trigger is pulled. Cooler heads usually prevail and your TV is not worth your kids losing thier daddy for one reason or another. That's all I'm saying.

An army drill instructor who ran a Boy Scout rifle range for summer camp told me once "Never point a gun at someone unless you are completely willing to use it an accept the consequences of the aftermath." Good advice IMO.

W WALDECKER

Jstas wrote: »

At point blank range, like in your hallway, birdshot can do enough damage to sever a limb. Maybe "clean off" was a bit extreme but it will remove enough of your neck that your head will feel a bit lonely. Eitherway, that's a big gun to point at some and there are alot of consequences that can follow once that trigger is pulled. Cooler heads usually prevail and your TV is not worth your kids losing thier daddy for one reason or another. That's all I'm saying.

An army drill instructor who ran a Boy Scout rifle range for summer camp told me once "Never point a gun at someone unless you are completely willing to use it an accept the consequences of the aftermath." Good advice IMO.

if someone unlawfully enters your home which puts you in fear for your life and the lives of your family members, they should be prepared to meet thier maker.