integrated amplifiers
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I actually love the look of the NAD classic series (well the masters series looks great too), it looks like something that would have come out of the Eastern Bloc circa 1958 or so. I own their tuner (425) and their power amp (272).The greatest enemy of truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
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One thing I must say is that of all the forums you guys are the most helpful. That being said, I do own a 3380 its adequate but well i'm looking at upgrading my speakers and so I think they will require a little more. Someone told me that MH is terrible when it comes to quality control?? and customer service??? any truth to that???Chicomorales:)
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No clue on MH reliability, just know they make some integrateds.
I think they are a very small shop so their bandwidth to handle issues is fairly limited. Least, that's the impression I got when ordering replacement parts for my new MH MMF 2.1 turntable.Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850 -
Thats what the dealor told me they where a smaller outfit in the UK??? Did you ever hear any of their pieces and what was the total setup??/ Some guys just bashed their stuff on another forum.Chicomorales:)
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hmm is guess not. Does anyone here know of this company Bel Canto???Chicomorales:)
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I'll throw in my .02 and recommend the PS Audio GCC-100:
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1186005820
Rated class A by Stereophile, for what it's worth. I have the GCC-250 and have been very happy with it (except for occassional longings for tubes).Von Schweikert VR4-jr
Valve Audio Predator
Denon DVD-2900
PS Audio Digital Link III w/Cullen Level IV Mods
Pro-Ject Xpression w/Blue Point No. 2
Graham Slee Special Edition 2
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Back to MH integrateds, I have never heard any of them in person. Just know they make some that look interesting and would be in the price range. Something you might like to demo along the way, but I can not vouche for their sound, reliability, or service.
I think Polkmaniac has one and is very happy with it.
I was going to suggest a Plinius integrated I saw on Agon yesterday, but it's sold already. . . in it's first day, no less.Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850 -
I see Krell has a new integrated out, looks muiii supremo, MSRP is 16,500. Thats alot of cabbage topped with even with more green. I would think it would have a tough time finding its niche at that price, but who knows.
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Don't see why not... the new Musical Fidelity's are pushing $10k MSRP...Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
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Man those are wonderful pieces of equipment way to much too for me lol. I'm looking to shell out a 2k tops for a new int amp+bookshelvesChicomorales:)
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Don't see why not... the new Musical Fidelity's are pushing $10k MSRP...
I thought the Kw was 7,000 grand, they have something new?? Antony is getting really wild. Maybe its the Kw-750 that goes for 10,000.
The cost of gear is really getting crazy, sounds good, but crazy, I thought about if I would have some guilt spending 16,500 on an integrated for the Shed, after 30 seconds I decided I would not.:D, so now if I spend 4,000 grand I figure I saved 75%, man what a deal for me............
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Chicomoralessxm wrote: »Man those are wonderful pieces of equipment way to much too for me lol. I'm looking to shell out a 2k tops for a new int amp+bookshelves
I am quite pleased with the Manley Stingray, you can get a used one for 13-15 hundred on Audiogon and then some effecient bookshelves, this is very very nice stuff.
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Heh. no kidding... Anyhow, I believe the MSRP on the new KW 550 is up to $10,000. Partially due to the dollar slide, but there's a price hike in there, too.
Not quite KW 750 power levels (630 watts vs 750), but it's getting there.Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
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What's the difference between an integrated amp and a Receiver? I'm confused.
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Off the top of my head... a DAC and a tuner.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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It's getting fuzzier... These days the only rule is that an "integrated" is two channel only.
As a counter example to the DAC and tuner, see the musical fidelity a1008, Bryston b60/b100, the Musical fidelity KW250s, Music hall mambo and many othersGallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
Gallo Ref AV, Frankengallo Ref 3, LC60i : Bryston 9b SST : Meridian 565
Jordan JX92s : MF X-T100 : Xray v8
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SolidSqual wrote: »What's the difference between an integrated amp and a Receiver? I'm confused.
Integrated amp = preamp & power amp in one box
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That's what I thought, but UNC pointed out some good counter-examples.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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I think things like the MH Maven (anything with tuner and any processing) are truly Receivers, but may be labeled as "integrated amps" so purists / audiophiles would still consider them hifi.Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850 -
hearingimpared wrote: »Integrated amp = preamp & power amp in one box
Receiver= preamp, power amp and a tuner in one box, maybe a DAC
Well not exactly, but we would like to thank you for playing!!!:rolleyes: As a matter of fact you just listened to an integrated with two boxes......................old age is tough. -
reeltrouble1 wrote: »Well not exactly, but we would like to thank you for playing!!!:rolleyes: As a matter of fact you just listened to an integrated with two boxes......................old age is tough.
Yo Pop, I didn't say the power supplies were in the same box, just the pre & amp!!! So put that in your senile pipe and smoke it!!!:D -
hearingimpared wrote: »Integrated amp = preamp & power amp in one box
Receiver= preamp, power amp and a tuner in one box, maybe a DAC
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I think things like the MH Maven (anything with tuner and any processing) are truly Receivers, but may be labeled as "integrated amps" so purists / audiophiles would still consider them hifi.
actually it's listed as a "Stereo receiver" looks nice i'm still thinking about it hmm or should i get a int amp lol i'm really confused.
http://www.musichallaudio.com/mmf_products.asp?show=true&prolook=mavenChicomorales:) -
Hey guys what can any of you tell me about this piece of equipment. Thsi a pretty good review on the flying mole. I'm considering it as a possible option for a IA.
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/flyingmole_cas10.htmChicomorales:) -
It's a chip amp with no remote. This comment, "Does exceptional detail such as the sound of a crackle in the tweeter make the music more satisfying?", says all I need to know.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Check out the new look of the VTL tube integrated.
http://www.vtl.com/pages/integrated.html#top
You get tubes, a remote and it looks great too!
Sweeeeet!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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It's a chip amp with no remote. This comment, "Does exceptional detail such as the sound of a crackle in the tweeter make the music more satisfying?", says all I need to know.
You lost me here what do you mean??? I take it your not for this amp??? Having a remote is not a big deal for me prob is for the wife though!!! But I like the looks of the mole of the VTL. how does it cost by the way???Chicomorales:) -
200 watts consumed at idle, 600 watts at full power. Seems right to me.I take it your not for this amp???
Correct, I don't like the sound of crackles from my tweeters
The VTL's list is $3240.00, used much less. Sorry, I'm quessing you'd like to spend less.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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200 watts at idle seems like alot to me, but this hobby is known for not being cheap. Wow!
I'd love to hear it!~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
