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  • Rich502Rich502 Posts: 104
    edited January 5
    la2vegas wrote: »

    Decent price for less than a year old amp.
  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,158
    edited January 5
    verb wrote: »

    Does not compute...

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    But they look nice!
  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,158
    Rich502 wrote: »
    la2vegas wrote: »

    Decent price for less than a year old amp.

    With the + models coming out, it will be interesting to see what the gen 1 versions start selling for.
  • verbverb Posts: 5,180
    DaveHo wrote: »
    verb wrote: »

    Does not compute...

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    But they look nice!

    Yep. Real walnut veneer. From what I’ve read about Wald, they made a lot of speakers for other companies who would rebrand them. And include them in a package stereo deal.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Bottlehead SEX 2.1 Integrated Amp, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), AudioEngine B1 streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
    Spares VTL 2.5 Pre, EAR 834L Pre, Rotel RC1580 Pre, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Carver TFM35x Amp, (2) Dayens Ampino Integrated, (2) SDA 1C's, Monitor 10's, Monitor 5Jr's, Polk TSi200's, Rega RP1 TT, Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 913
    Home System:
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    800 Va Dreadnought- Speaker Interconnect
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
    B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Cambridge Audio DVD 99
    Sangean HD FM Tuner

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
    BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,117
    Are those older Tektons I wonder? I thought the ones Skip had boasted much more tweeters.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, PS Audio Stellar gain M700 mono blocks, Elac Adante AF-61 towers Black, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with CBS NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables

    5.1: Marantz sr5013 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Linn LK240 mono blocks pair, Totem Rainmakers, Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 913
    edited January 5
    Ya, I think these came out in '2012?
    Post edited by audioluvr on
    Home System:
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    800 Va Dreadnought- Speaker Interconnect
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
    B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Cambridge Audio DVD 99
    Sangean HD FM Tuner

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
    BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
  • ambiophonicsambiophonics Posts: 654
    edited January 5
    2 Channel - Polk SDA-2BTL full upgrades, Carver TFM-35, Peachtree iDAC, Chromecast Audio (optical), Bugle II phono pre, Technics SL-1500 w/ M97XE
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,485
    edited January 5

    If that thing needs work you will spend a crap ton to get it fixed. Check out a gut shot of it. I had one given to me but couldnt justify the cost to have it rehabbed.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 19,615
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Diamond v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds.

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,790
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Are those older Tektons I wonder? I thought the ones Skip had boasted much more tweeters.

    Skip has a different model, the Double Impacts. The Pendragons are no slouch either. Set by me for sale at 1100.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,117
    They look the part, I could just never personally have white speakers
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, PS Audio Stellar gain M700 mono blocks, Elac Adante AF-61 towers Black, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with CBS NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables

    5.1: Marantz sr5013 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Linn LK240 mono blocks pair, Totem Rainmakers, Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,790
    edited January 6
    joecoulson wrote: »
    They look the part, I could just never personally have white speakers

    Hear ya on that. I had a chance to listen to the Double impacts at Lonestar last year in Doug's room. Gotta say....your not giving up a whole lot to the 8-10k speakers I heard there. You walk away thinking....that's a lot of coin back in my pocket. They aren't the cutest kid on the block with the standard box design, but the sound makes up for it.

    As a side note, Josh at JWM speakers had some very good sounding larger bookies that I thought were top notch. Not to mention gorgeous too because he does all the woodworking himself. Great guy also to chat with or just tip a few with.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,368
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Are those older Tektons I wonder? I thought the ones Skip had boasted much more tweeters.
    These guys have an endless product lineup with several different tweet configs. So many it will make you dizzy! https://www.tektondesign.com/

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    Front Spkrs - Coming...DIY Statement II | Center Spkrs - Coming...DIY Statement II | Rear Spkrs - Artison Portrait LRS
    Sub - DIY Stereo Integrity HT 15 | Sub Amp - Dayton Audio SA1000
    Wire - Audioquest Type 4, BJC Belden 5000 | HDMI - BJC Belden | Power Cables - Pangea | Surge - Monster
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 913
    joecoulson wrote: »
    They look the part, I could just never personally have white speakers

    Not concerned about that. A repaint is easy for me. My concern is I'm VERY happy with the size, looks and performance of my modded SDA 1C's. Not sure if I'm willing to pursue other routes. Think my next audio move will be dabbling with power cables and a new CD transport.
    Home System:
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    800 Va Dreadnought- Speaker Interconnect
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
    B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Cambridge Audio DVD 99
    Sangean HD FM Tuner

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
    BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,459
    edited January 7
    Last night I watched football, ate dinner and perused club Polk and Craig's list many times. I then get pie and ice cream and go to the living room to enjoy it.

    I stayed out there for quite a while ( 2 hours I guess ) and then get back on the PC.

    What do I see on Craigs list? A pair of those Infinity RS4bs for 40.00. :o He said and the pictures showed it also that the woofers needed re-foaming. No problem. I looked at when the ad was listed....2 hours ago. :o :s Right when I left this PC.! :o

    I could only email to the ad. no phone #. So I emailed saying I'd buy them this morn. asap if it was ok with them. I then took a shower.
    This picture is from the web. Not the ad.
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    I come back to the PC in 15 min. and couldn't find the ad for those speakers. :# I then remembered my email to them. It always has a link to the ads. I pull up the email, click the original posting link....it's been removed by the seller. :s

    OK...maybe since I said I'd buy them they took it down...

    I didn't get a email reply or call yet. :'(

    Another set gets away. But I have no room for them...but the price was ridiculously low. 10.00 lower than the set my old friend got instead of me months ago. :D It would've been fun re-foaming them and bringing such a fine speaker set back to life. ;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    I have these locally, but considerably more than 40 dollars. They have been refoamed but I'd like to get them for about half of their $220 asking price. qgo05ci98pq8.jpg
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,459
    edited January 7
    They're definitely worth 200.00 every day if they're re-foamed and all speakers work.

    There's set of RS4bs 80 miles from me in Raleigh NC. for 150.00. They've been for sale for a while too. I asked for a discount since I would have to travel so far and they said NO. :s I see they're still for sale... :)

    Looks like the bases are missing but no biggie.

    I think their sound is on the warm side and the highs soft but detailed as can be. Easy on the ears I would say. But I heard the RS4bs with an old Fisher integrated. That probably had a lot to do with the warm sound.

    But man do the RS4bs sound really nicely balanced and right. Great sound field!

    They were expensive when new for sure.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    The ones I posted were 250 originally. Maybe I'll offer 150 and see where it goes.
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • verbverb Posts: 5,180
    These babies rarely come up for sale. Minty Adcom GFP-750! 9 hundie. Not sure if that's a deal.
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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adcom-GFP-750-Preamplifier/401678496854?epid=66744744&hash=item5d85e77456:g:q6UAAOSwuNNcLiLR:rk:7:pf:0
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Bottlehead SEX 2.1 Integrated Amp, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), AudioEngine B1 streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
    Spares VTL 2.5 Pre, EAR 834L Pre, Rotel RC1580 Pre, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Carver TFM35x Amp, (2) Dayens Ampino Integrated, (2) SDA 1C's, Monitor 10's, Monitor 5Jr's, Polk TSi200's, Rega RP1 TT, Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,622
    verb wrote: »
    These babies rarely come up for sale. Minty Adcom GFP-750! 9 hundie. Not sure if that's a deal.
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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adcom-GFP-750-Preamplifier/401678496854?epid=66744744&hash=item5d85e77456:g:q6UAAOSwuNNcLiLR:rk:7:pf:0

    pretty sure that is no deal. So many pictures yet none of the board....
  • verbverb Posts: 5,180
    Yep. Especially when IIRC, there were only 13 hundie when new (~1999). And, like you said, where's the blue board? :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Bottlehead SEX 2.1 Integrated Amp, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), AudioEngine B1 streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
    Spares VTL 2.5 Pre, EAR 834L Pre, Rotel RC1580 Pre, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Carver TFM35x Amp, (2) Dayens Ampino Integrated, (2) SDA 1C's, Monitor 10's, Monitor 5Jr's, Polk TSi200's, Rega RP1 TT, Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer
  • NhpennNhpenn Posts: 54
    SRT left, right, center plus the controller, and extra sub tower for 2500 obo

    https://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/d/baltimore-polk-audio-srt-speakers/6789566499.html
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,078
    How are Adcoms preamps? I stayed away since I heard a couple of their Pre models were a bit harsh when paired up with Adcom amps.
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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,813
    The GFP-750 is a pretty solid pre.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,386
    Nhpenn wrote: »
    SRT left, right, center plus the controller, and extra sub tower for 2500 obo

    https://baltimore.craigslist.org/ele/d/baltimore-polk-audio-srt-speakers/6789566499.html

    If it's the same seller I think it is, he's a flipper and minor cosmetic damage = trashed, especially for the asking price. Buyer beware.
  • verbverb Posts: 5,180
    Carver A-500x. $290.00 OBO. Looks to be in great shape.
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    https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ele/d/canton-carver-500x/6790670703.html
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1, Marantz AMP-1, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Bottlehead SEX 2.1 Integrated Amp, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), AudioEngine B1 streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
    Spares VTL 2.5 Pre, EAR 834L Pre, Rotel RC1580 Pre, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Carver TFM35x Amp, (2) Dayens Ampino Integrated, (2) SDA 1C's, Monitor 10's, Monitor 5Jr's, Polk TSi200's, Rega RP1 TT, Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,459
    verb wrote: »
    Carver A-500x. $290.00 OBO. Looks to be in great shape.
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    https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/ele/d/canton-carver-500x/6790670703.html

    I think I'd offer 250 and bring it home if the forum here says its a great amp.

    I would think it is!!!
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,607
    One of the 500X on ebay for the same price.
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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,412
    edited January 9
    It’s a good amp..... but due for a recap... soooo.... price accordingly
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