Ben Roethlisburger

Demiurge · June 2006

bobman1235 wrote:

I SEE your point Max, I just don't agree with it. People shouldn't have to insulate you from yoru own negligence. You're essentially blaming a victim for not protecting himself from you. If I shot someone, should I be pissed at them for not wearing a bullet proof vest? I have to go to jail for 25-life because that a-hole didn't leave the house with a vest on!

Obviously that's a ridiculous and extreme example, I'm just trying to make the point that it's not my or anyone else's responsibility to limit YOUR liability in the case of you hurting me. Yes, it sucks, money-wise for someone who nails a biker. It sucks even more if that biker isn't wearing a helmet. Know what sucks more? Slamming into a pedestrian. I'm betting there's more of those than bikers out there. Should they be wearing helmets? If the only view you're looking at is the view of the liability of a driver who hits them, it's the logical conclusion.

You win with that one.

madmax · June 2006

bobman1235 wrote:

If I shot someone, should I be pissed at them for not wearing a bullet proof vest? I have to go to jail for 25-life because that a-hole didn't leave the house with a vest on!

No, but if you go hunting you might just want to wear orange. Unless of course you don't think it looks cool, feel the need to feel free, etc. I think that is a more realistic comparison.

madmax

Dennis Gardner · June 2006

madmax wrote:

No, but if you go hunting you might just want to wear orange.
madmax

Even that doesn't help when you are huntin' with the Dick Cheney.:rolleyes:

steveinaz · June 2006

bobman1235 wrote:

I SEE your point Max, I just don't agree with it. People shouldn't have to insulate you from yoru own negligence. You're essentially blaming a victim for not protecting himself from you. If I shot someone, should I be pissed at them for not wearing a bullet proof vest? I have to go to jail for 25-life because that a-hole didn't leave the house with a vest on!

Obviously that's a ridiculous and extreme example, I'm just trying to make the point that it's not my or anyone else's responsibility to limit YOUR liability in the case of you hurting me. Yes, it sucks, money-wise for someone who nails a biker. It sucks even more if that biker isn't wearing a helmet. Know what sucks more? Slamming into a pedestrian. I'm betting there's more of those than bikers out there. Should they be wearing helmets? If the only view you're looking at is the view of the liability of a driver who hits them, it's the logical conclusion.

A-frickin-men Bob. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, stop blaming the victim. With the line of thinking many of you are using, I guess a woman who dresses "seductively" deserves to be raped huh? She brought it on herself, right? She "invited" disaster by looking so good........

come on.

Hindsight is 20/20 and requires absolutely no skill. How many times have you done something that resulted in an injury that you could have done differently? That doesn't make you an idiot, it makes you human. People are so quick to "arm-chair" quarterback.

Sami · June 2006

Lucky he didn't follow the footsteps of Pelle Lindbergh, Dan Snyder and Derrick Thomas.

brettw22 · June 2006

bobman1235 wrote:

Know what sucks more? Slamming into a pedestrian. I'm betting there's more of those than bikers out there. Should they be wearing helmets? If the only view you're looking at is the view of the liability of a driver who hits them, it's the logical conclusion.

True story....There's a one legged (previous injury to my involvement) homeless man out there that experienced the front end of my rental car once. And no, it wasn't my 'fault'.......

madmax · June 2006

This is what I'm talking about. Homeless one legged men should NOT be able to walk the streets because it increases my liability.
madmax

shack · June 2006

I'm squarely in the NO HELMET = IDIOT camp.

PhantomOG · June 2006

steveinaz wrote:

A-frickin-men Bob. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, stop blaming the victim. With the line of thinking many of you are using, I guess a woman who dresses "seductively" deserves to be raped huh? She brought it on herself, right? She "invited" disaster by looking so good........

come on.

Hindsight is 20/20 and requires absolutely no skill. How many times have you done something that resulted in an injury that you could have done differently? That doesn't make you an idiot, it makes you human. People are so quick to "arm-chair" quarterback.

I'm not blaming the victim. Is it his fault he got into an accident? No. Was it stupid of him not to be wearing a helmet? In my opinion yes. I'm not saying there should be a law requiring it. I'm not saying he should pay more for anything. All I'm saying is he specifically chose not to wear simple gear that would have greatly reduced his injuries in that accident. In my book that makes him an idiot, regardless of whether the accident was his fault or not.

I've done plenty of stupid things in my life and gladly call myself an idiot for the stupid unnecessary injuries I've had. Yes, its a very unfortunate situation for him to be in, but just because he wasn't at fault doesn't absolve him of his CHOICE not to wear a helmet. We're not talking rocket science here --> ride a bike, wear a helmet. Your average 8 year old can tell you that. Its not 20/20 hindsight. Its common sense safety. He chose to disregard that, he's an idiot.

schwarcw · June 2006

zombie boy 2000 wrote:

After listening to talk radio this morning, it seems that most (if not all) Steeler fans are absolutely livid with Big Ben. The older lady seems to be getting a pass.....

Here in Pittsburgh there were news crews out in front of her home trying to talk with her. This is sad.

Ben has a nine inch laceration on the back of his head, broken jaw, teeth knocked out, broken nose and sinus bone and other contusions. He now looks like Terry Bradshaw:eek:

Carl

HBombToo · June 2006

I can't understand how a helmit law can be rescinded and at the same time I can pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt...

If Ben ruined his career its on him.

HBomb

bobman1235 · June 2006

Haha, now ESPN is reporting that he didn't even have a license to ride.

Dumbass.

PhantomOG · June 2006

HBombToo wrote:

I can't understand how a helmit law can be rescinded and at the same time I can pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt...

quite the double standard. I'd rather see the cops giving tickets to all those monster-SUV driving soccer moms for driving while talking on the cell phone (not hands-free). Someone else not wearing a seat belt doesn't scare me, but I've seen people do some really scary stuff while yapping on the phone.

Shizelbs · June 2006

Hemlet-less elderly women talking on their cell phone while riding their crotch rockets scares me.

PhantomOG · June 2006

Shizelbs wrote:

Hemlet-less elderly women talking on their cell phone while riding their crotch rockets scares me.

if I ever did see that I'd keep my car far away from her!

Shizelbs · June 2006

Yeah, well my grandma can be pretty stubborn.

Demiurge · June 2006

For you PA folks, have you heard when they're going to announce more on his current condition? I'm just curious what this means for his career, as I am sure every Steeler fan is as well.

PhantomOG · June 2006

"He suffered multiple facial fractures," Pituch said. "All of the fractures were successfully repaired. His brain, spine, chest and abdomen appear to be without serious injury. And there are no other confirmed injuries at this time."
...
ESPN.com's John Clayton confirmed that Roethlisberger also suffered a 9-inch laceration to the back of his head, has lost or chipped a number of teeth and has minor injuries to his knees from hitting the pavement.

from the above linked ESPN license article

speakergeek · June 2006

He's VERY lucky to be alive!

Demiurge · June 2006

PhantomOG wrote:

from the above linked ESPN license article

I think that's the same stuff we all knew yesterday. I'm just curious what this means for his playing career.

ohskigod · June 2006

Demiurge wrote:

I think that's the same stuff we all knew yesterday. I'm just curious what this means for his playing career.

probably will be fine long term, but this season? could be dicey. jaw surgery takes about 2 months to heal without complications or issues. the issue of "heal" is, will it be "healed" enough to take the pounding of a typical NFL Quaterback.

hey man, could have been ALOT worse.

Just noticed today he was riding a Hayabusa crotch rocket. Riding a cruiser without a helmet is dumb, riding a crotch rocket (much less a friggin Hayabusa) without a helmet is beyond comprehension.

you can wax poetic about pedestrians struck by auto, or the fate of certain one legged homeless folk all day, but I still conbsider my above statement undisputable fact.

that bike isnt fun unless your doing at least 120 :rolleyes:

Demiurge · June 2006

Yeah, yikes...I just heard a news report on the radio that said the Steelers don't know yet if he'll be able to play this season, which I figured. It's just good that they're talking as if he'll be able to come back. I realize he should be okay in the long term, but it was those 'serious knee injuries' they talked about yesterday that made me wonder if he'll ever be able to come back, even if he wants to. Sometimes after accidents like that you're just never right again even if all your wounds are healed.

Drumingman · June 2006

dorokusai wrote:

I just shake my head when I see a helmet, tanktop, shorts and flip flops on a motocyclist....get the gear, or don't ride. That's pathetic and Ben is an idiot.

I could not agree more. People who ride like that are called Squids.
You have to ask yourself, what's harder, a helmet or your head?

bobman1235 · June 2006

Last I heard on ESPN the "serious knee injuries" ended up not being serious at all. All reports seem to expect him to be fine for next year, though he may miss a few games at the beginning.

Keep in mind pro athletes do heal faster than most of us, with regards to the jaw injury and whatnot.

Shizelbs · June 2006

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003057733_ndig13.html

Should've worn a helmet.

Demiurge · June 2006

ROFFLESBERGER

tommyboy · June 2006

Demiurge wrote:

For you PA folks, have you heard when they're going to announce more on his current condition? I'm just curious what this means for his career, as I am sure every Steeler fan is as well.

http://kdka.com/

this is the front page of one of our local tv stations so you can see how obsessed everyone is about it.

Anyways, can you guys do me a small favor? If you scroll down a little bit, there is a poll that asks If the steelers should keep Tommy Maddox. I don't care if you know who he is or not, please click no as the option. I don't think I could take another year of tommy maddox, 4 has been long enough!

shack · June 2006

Thanks for the heads up. I like Tommy. Voting YES!

Demiurge · June 2006

tommyboy wrote:

http://kdka.com/

this is the front page of one of our local tv stations so you can see how obsessed everyone is about it.

Anyways, can you guys do me a small favor? If you scroll down a little bit, there is a poll that asks If the steelers should keep Tommy Maddox. I don't care if you know who he is or not, please click no as the option. I don't think I could take another year of tommy maddox, 4 has been long enough!

I voted NO for you.

So far it's 75% NO, and 25% YES.

tommyboy · June 2006

shack wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. I like Tommy. Voting YES!

You just want the steelers to suck next year. Sorry to tell you man, but the Tennessee Titans don't have a chance now to do anything since they lost mcnair. They had their chance back in 1999. "He was just...one ...yard...short." hahahahahaha

Ben Roethlisburger

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