Bad Flea Deal

ohskigod

brettw22 wrote:

Beaten-Wife Syndrome.......

haaa LOL

madmax

I kinda miss ole Wangotango. He kept our perspective of morals on track...
madmax

RoosterD

Skynut wrote:

I think the problem is we want to deal with up-standing people. If I say I will pay for something I will pay. That is how it works.

All I am saying is if you say you will do something or make a commitment then it is up to you to fulfill it. If you don't then people will think less of you.

I agree with you on this. I wanted to buy a 3910 from BrentMcGhee, but didn't have the funds. He waited for me for a few weeks in Feb, but I didn't come up with the money in time. I ended up ordering one (when the money was there) for almost twice the price. The point is you don't buy something when you don't have the funds, even if it's a deal that you can't pass up. I feel sorry for this guy. He may never understand what it is to be a normal decent person, and probably loses a lot of freindships because of this. It's just sad. I'll take all of that^ back if he pays up, but I don't think anyone here believes he will, which is why he hasn't responded on this post. Thanks for starting this thread RT1.

Skynut

It seems to me that hwm could redeam himself here for a hundred bucks or so. Or he could make good by at least returning the goods to those who will take them back.

I know it is not much money for those who are left holding the bag but still it seems to me it would be worth the effort.

petrym

Give the guy three months, if he doesn't make good on his debts, then it's BYE BYE!

heiney9

RuSsMaN wrote:

I never saw the thread, but bring that kind of stuff to my attention next time. I'm sure it wasn't what you said, but how you said it.

Cheers,
Russ

AK is very very picky (sensitive) about personal issues and flaming. Of course F1 and RuSs you know that because you have be members there for a long time. I think this is an issue that needs to be revisited with AK and their moderators especially since we have many testimonials here as to his actions. RuSs you have a good long term reputation over there, not that you don't Jesse. Maybe a kinder gentler approach is needed.:)

It's always nice to log onto another board and see people taking care of others even if the issue is from another board. On-line communities need to be protected and one way is to keep all people informed, especially the newer and less active members, across many different boards.

I used to belong to Led Zeppelin listerv and we had a shister on there that ripped alot of people off doing trades. One guy from Japan lost over 100 cdrs and the cost of shipping, back then about 7 years ago cdrs were fairly expensive compared to today. The back and forth between many members including the shister himself went on for years, but atleast we were able to inform new/less active members to stay away from trading shows with this guy. Some still decided to trade with him and some got completely stiffed, others only got about 1/2 of what he promised.

Outing people like this is the way to go. Especially if they are repeat offenders.

H9

petrym

According to the Who's Online, hotwheelman is currently in Private Messaging

Make it good.

hotwheelman

Well o.k., guess it's time for me tell my life story. I am not a crook,thief, shiester or any other things that you wish to call me,I am no scott trigg or harnavalta or any other of these people, I am just a man that has a s***load on him and have had for a long,long time and I feel like I am about to be dragged under for the last time. I know that at this point that non of you more than likely gives a s***, I get that but please give me a chance to make this right.
The situation that I have at home is not a piece of cake for me, I do not get much help from the better half so I am left to take care of our almost 13 year old daughter that is wheelchair bound for the rest of her life and is not able to do anything for herself, all care comes from me, feeding, diapers, meds.,baths, doctors appointments.....what really sucks is that she can't even call me daddy, see me, hear me, or any other functions due to her condition and it kills me everyday of my freakin life.
To add fuel to the fire my first born son has cereberal palsy on his left side, vision problems from laser eye surgery when he was 3 months old, has a v.p. shunt that had to be placed due to a bleed on the brain (all done at u.y knoxville), that same bleed has left him mentally retarded to a certain degree, he is now in the 7th grade but is only functioning at about the 2nd or 3rd grade level. Couple that with two children that are basiclly healthy and you have your hands full. I should also mention that my next to youngest that was with me at the fest has his share of health issues as well, he was found to only have one kidney and I worry everyday that he might take a hit to the back and it will take him away from me.
So yes, I stress about 100% of the time and it works on me, if you ask anyone in my family they will tell you that they can tell me something and 2 minutes later I can't even remember what they just said to me. I can't sleep at night and I am worried about my own health as well. I was just recently diagnosed with a rare eye disease that is progressing rapidly and will soon take my vision, it is to the point now that it is hard as hell for me to see the screen to write this even with my glasses on. I'm not asking for pity, I am just trying to put all of you in my shoes, I wouldn't wish the life I have on any of you.
All of this puts me in a position of trying to do things for myself, but when I try to and it looks like there is enough money there to do it, or take care of it, I am shot down due to lack of funds. This basiclly arises from due to the fact that I am not able to work all that much as I am home most of the time tending to the above issues. I don't intend to pick up items and not pay for them, it is just that tight around here and no matter what I do I just can't seem to pull it out of the ditch. If you want to know also my earnings last year were way under the poverty level and I have no reason to lie about that. I just want to enjoy this hobby and I can't because I am just so effed.
And if I don't get back to someone as quick as they would like it's because I am so preoccupied with just trying to stay sane.

I also wanted to point out that it took every penny I could scrape up just to make it to the 04 meet to be with you guys, the biggest reason I came was not for myself, but for my son. I know he pestered you guys but he has a love for anything audio and I just thought that he would remember that for the rest of his life and further instill the seed in him. He was truelly wowed by all the cool gear he got to see that he would otherwise never get to see or hear, he was smitten. I want to thank anyone that took the time to just talk to him about anything he had questions about.....he's a good kid and I love him to death.
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This is an open apology to anyone that feels like I have screwed them, it has not been intentional and I WILL make things right.

I have funds coming sat. for work I did for a freind, only drawback is that I will not be able to make a deposit until monday and the funds will not be there until tues for withdrawal so that I can send out paypal payment or money orders to whom ever I owe. I fully intend to make this right.

Ted.....it IS coming, please believe me.

Brett.....I truelly thought that I had sent you a money order eons ago, I honestly did not realize that. I'm fairly certain that I did but in order to clear the air I will send these funds to you.

Jesse.....anything I said to you was not an excuse for anything, I honestly thought that you did what you did as a goodwill jesture, I want this to be right between us so I wll sending you the remainder of the deal also.

Russman....I think the original deal was for 65??? You had me send you 50 and call it a day, I want to make this right between us so I will be sending the remainder of the deal to you also.

Htrookie......I really don't think that it was 2 months on the amp, I know it was at least a month or way less.

nadams.....the deal (if memery serves me right) was the sl tweeters that I repaired and then gave to another member.

I also want to get one more thing out in the open since the cards are on the table, I was wanting a carver amp from gidrah, Troy was going to send me 40 against some sda's I brought to the fest and instead I had him send them to gidrah for a deposit on said amp, I tried for months to come up with the franklin that was still owed against it but was not able, to make a long story short since I was not able to take care of the rest of the funds I had him just keep the 40 for the hassle I put him through, Gidrah.....my apologies to you as you were more than patient with me.

I just hope that all can find it in their hearts to forgive me, please....I am beat down enough, I beg you not to kick me down anymore than I already am, I am at the point of just breaking down.



Also, the ak thread I posted in was for pieces that I personally did not purchase, they where picked up by my father for me.....guess I should have pointed that out in the thread. I was just looking for general info about the pioneer speakers and that was pretty much it. I wasn't trying to hoodoo Ted as some seem to think.


Please forgive me,
Mike

F1nut

Mike,

I did believe what you told me and I did what I did as a good will gesture. All of that was just fine and dandy and would have remained so if it wasn't for this deal with Ted. After talking with him I got the feeling that I was taken advantage of and that really pissed me off. You make good with Ted and Brett and we're square, but you and I will never deal again, ever! I also think that given your situation and track record, that you shouldn't be allowed to buy anything here on credit. Cash up front and no more excuses!!!

Jesse

aaharvel

HotWheels the only thing I and seemingly everyone else hear from you are excuses. Your last post only proves that to be even more correct. An apology leashed to a basketful of excuses is not an apology. They're still excuses. We're all past that point fella, and whether or not they're true is absolutely irrelevant. The fact that you refuse to take responsibility for yourself and for this seemingly shysterous conduct to good-hearted members here at Club Polk however, is.

If I'm the only one with balls to say what's really on most forum members' minds right now, then so be it. If this thread hadn't been started, I highly doubt we would have heard anything resembling a peep out of you- except for maybe even more excuses with no closure in sight.

I hope you're banned by the end of the week.

Demiurge

Well, Andrew just let his balls drop. I agree with him 100%.

George Grand

The fact that you were spending more money on audio equipment on the very day you were supposed to be sending people money says a lot about you, and it ain't good.

If you're health is going to be an issue that threatens your family's well being, start selling all your stuff on ebay, cause I doubt you'll get far here.

**** me. If you're even HALFWAY telling the truth about your daughter and your son, what the hell are you doing buying stereo ****? Those kids deserve better. Damn I'm pissed now.

Frank Z

Family first and foremost. That doesn't mean holding on to money you owe other people. It means not getting you greasey mitts on something you have no right getting in the first place. If your sob story is true, perhaps the people we should feel sorry for are the kids.

Lousy choices dude...very lousy.

I'm done with this thread...I need to go vomit.

Midnite Mick

Generally people that go through adversity in life have a greater appreciation for all aspects of life and become better people for it. He plays on peoples good nature. He was doing it when he acquired the goods and now he is further attempting it with the story. You don't treat people like that irregardless of personal circumstance.

Polk moderator should shut this down nothing good is going to come of it!

Mike

madmax

Wakeup calls suck. The goal should be to make things right and keep them that way. Tomorrow is a new day and a great time to make positive changes! I wish you well.
madmax

brettw22

With all due respect, aside from the people that directly had business dealings with HWM, some of you people need to tone things down a few notches. People that have been here for only a few months can be concerned, but need to keep the harshness down to a minimum because YOU haven't been here long enough to warrant the harsh tones. I talked with him in person at the SC Fest and I don't believe him to be intentionally malicious in his intentions.

Individually, I don't really care about the money for the DVD's at this point. The only reason I brought it up was to reinforce Ted's experience. The point has been made that this is a pattern of behavior, and since that's come to light, consider monies owed to me quashed. If you have everyone else paid and want to mail money to me, go ahead. I don't expect it at this point.

I do agree that you shouldn't be allowed to purchase anything from people on this site. That has more to do with you prioritizing your family first and teaching them the lesson that you live within your means before you try to keep fostering a habit that you cannot financially afford.

Good luck with your family.

Tour2ma

Well put, brett.

heiney9

+1 Brett. Certainly there are issues, but comments from those not directly involved only cause more harm than good. I feel others (like myself) can comment in a general sense, but be careful when getting specific since you don't know the entire story.

Hopefully things can be worked out....made right and we can all move on.

H9

aaharvel

I only commented because I recently became involved with the Flea Market. And it was a very pleasant experience for me, and hopefully to the gentlemen I did business with. Before two weeks ago, you would have never heard a peep from me on this issue.

Frank Z

Although the forum is owned and operated by Polk, it is still a "Public Forum." No one said anything about the comments being made until HWM posted. Now the only people that should say anything are the original parties? Gimme a freakin' break. You post up and bare your soul or make any kinda comment....you're gonna get feedback.

brettw22

Sue me for being busy at work today Frank.......the sentiment stands......

shack

As someone who has talked to Mike at the gathering and on the phone on several occasions I feel that he is not a crook or a thief. He SHOULD pay every penny he owes...not because any single one of them NEEDS the money...but because it is the right thing to do for himself. If he has to sell every piece of gear he owns....so be it. I know he has enough pieces laying around to enjoy music. (which has always been a comfort for me in hard times) so abandoning the joy of music is not what I'm advocating. Just get rid of everything but a simple rig that he and his family can use. Next he should (as many have said) raise his family and attend to their needs first. He should not buy another piece of gear until their needs are met....PERIOD! As far as finances are concerned...I am confident that if he truly needed financial help...a tidy sum would be given with no strings attached by many on this forum. Hell if he had to sell every piece of gear he owned to take care of his kids, I bet the members of this forum would have given him enough gear to keep listening to the music. CDs can be borrowed from the library...etc. Wanting to enjoy the HOBBY is fine...but he went about it in the wrong way.

Lastly, even if he gives back every cent he owes...I WILL NOT BE IMPRESSED...because it is what he is supposed to do. If and when he takes on his life, problems and all, and thanks God every day for the blessings he really does have...THEN I will be impressed and willing to go an extra mile to help. Life ain't fair (and I'm really not sure it is supposed to be). Life is what happens every morning when you get out of bed. It is what you make it. If this insignificant ordeal on an internet fourm helps in even a tiny way to make him a better man and father then maybe it is worth it.

I wish Mike all the best and I hope things take a turn for the better. I really do.

heiney9

Frank Z wrote:

Although the forum is owned and operated by Polk, it is still a "Public Forum." No one said anything about the comments being made until HWM posted. Now the only people that should say anything are the original parties? Gimme a freakin' break. You post up and bare your soul or make any kinda comment....you're gonna get feedback.

Whoa...talk about taking it out of context. All I meant was let's not load up on the guy if we weren't involved in any of the transactions. Certainly anyone can say whatever the hell they want. We are here to look out for each. I see no point in dragging HWM thru the mud if you don't have a personal stake in it. Say how wrong it is, how disappointed one is, how it gives the FM a bad name, how angry you are about the situation, etc. But let's not just blindly jump on the bandwagon and start a bashing contest.

This is all my opinion of course. And I'm not in any way defending what he did or how he handled the situation. This bandwagon bashing always gets out of hand and I see this going the same way.

H9

George Grand

He's got a 13 year old girl that can't do a damn thing for herself. You think he doesn't have MY sympathy along those lines? I hope he gets his **** together for HIS KIDS. If somewhere along the line HE becomes a better person, well that would be a bonus. He created this mess at Polk, and he's the only one that can rectify it. It ain't gonna happen overnight.

brettw22

It's already gone that way Heiney....

I agree with your comments shack......My brother got a job once and my mom was just so happy and proud of him for being responsible blah blah blah. He'd been employed a week, and before that had been useless for a year. I had to clarify for her that until he shows responsibility for a few years at a minimum, he gets no kudo's from me.

TroyD

First off, I want to say that I don't think HWM is intentionally crooked. I just think his priorities are not what they should be along with a healthy dose of self pity.

Now, what I do find objectionable is using children as an excuse or explanation. I have empathy, I really do. However, I can't have kids. Not that I don't want kids, I CAN'T have them. Ask me if how long I'd think about it if I was given the choice that I could have A (just one) child and forfeit all my gear (and/or anything else), permanently.

All I'm saying guys, honor your obligations because at the end of the day you are only as good as your word and count your blessings. I do hope things work out for HWM and wish him and his family the best. His son is a VERY nice lad and I hope he's still enjoying the Onkyo preamp.

BDT

danger boy

i'm making popcorn....

sorry, i got nothing.

I never had any transactions with HWM.. and have never met him or anything like that. I've just known more than my share of people who have bad intentions when it comes to money, or lack of it.

So i'm out of this thead..

HWM, good luck.

Skynut

TroyD wrote:

All I'm saying guys, honor your obligations because at the end of the day you are only as good as your word and count your blessings.
BDT

I agree, people need to keep their promises.
Give your word, keep your word. Thats how it works.

George Grand

I've been pondering my earlier response all damn day. It's not sitting real good with me, and I'm sure you guys understand.

MIKE,

I don't know anybody on this forum cold-hearted enough to want you completely and totally banned. I'd also bet that not many want all their funds after your story. I'm thinking everyone is hoping the best for your children AND YOU. I'm thinking you shouldn't even ATTEMPT to buy anything else from anyone here. I can't think of anyone here who would want to sell anything to you, simply because they are more concerned about your kids than anything else, and don't want them deprived of anything. Maybe we're different, but I would swap every piece of stereo, wire, software, ...... I'd give up everything that gives me pleasure to hold my beautiful girl just one more time.

Take care of those kids and stop **** around. Good luck with your problems, from the bottom of my heart.

George

tonyb

Well said George,and that's enough.:(