Bad Flea Deal

Skynut

Now we are up to 4 people.

Any more?

Midnite Mick

I'm sorry but I don't have any tolerance for that kind garbage. They should get people like that off this forum. That's just sleazy, low life behaviour. This is the reason that I am scared of purchasing used goods from people over the internet. People like that eventually do it to the wrong person and they end up getting theres. On the upside though nobody sold him any expensive items.

Mike

ohskigod

While I dont think this is a case of outright malice. I would call it a case of exploitation, as I mentioned before. I have a feeling more of these stories are going to surface.

PhantomOG

regardless of his intents, I'm glad that his repeated behaviour has been brought to light. its nice have a flea market where you can supposedly *trust* people, but after hearing of this I will be sure not to have any transactions with him.

how many financial problems can one guy have? either he shouldn't be buying stuff here (because he doesn't have the money), or he's a con-artist. they both end up with people here getting short-changed and its just plain wrong.

F1nut

It's my understanding that Justin will email Hotwheelman and tell him to pay up or be banned from the FM at the very least.

I'd say that the forum (in general) and Justin are cutting him far more slack than is probably deserved.

Frank Z

So why in the world didn't someone speak up sooner? Seem's that alot of this Shiznit could have been nipped in the butt a long time ago. Honestly folks....do we really need to wait for 4 people to get taken, for any amount of money, before someone says something?

HWM,
Make good on your end of the deals, if you are a decent human being.

Zen Dragon

Yes. he should be banned. It is easy to have faith in and trust in human nature. The fact is he does have some malicious intent. He never should have enterred into a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or more transaction still owing on the first.
Hard times happen. Return the gear with an apology.
Unacceptable!:mad:

brettw22

I never said anything because his involvement in the forum went down significantly after the DVD thing.....

Had I been aware that he was still doing other deals I would have said something, but sometimes giving the benefit of the doubt comes around to bite a little harder, as this obviously has.......

reeltrouble1

Well, what is done is over with, no going back now. I can certainly understand the others not posting as I thought a really long time about it and actually bounced the whole thing off several members which is when I found out I was not the first and knew then I had a responsibility to the board to post.

I am not quite sure with all of this if "banning" from just the FM is appropriate.

RT1

PolkThug

He should be banned from the whole site unless he pays up 100% or returns what he hasn't paid on.

McLoki

reeltrouble1 wrote:

I am not quite sure with all of this if "banning" from just the FM is appropriate.

I consider anyone here with a decent post count as a safe sell / purchase. Banning from the Flea Market will not stop the next person from being taken. (most flea market deals are transacted though private messages)

It sounds as if this has been an ongoing issue and I agree with whoever said - he never should have gone on to the 2nd deal while still owing the 1st. (not to mention the 3rd or 4th deals)

I realise that many members have just written off the money they were to be paid and that is fine, but give the guy a choice to come clean or get the hell out. (of the entire forum, not just the flea market)

We come here because the board is fun and has a family feel to it. If your post count goes over 100 and you still think this kind of crap is ok - you are not needed in the family imo.

Best of luck to all who have been taken,

Michael

BTW - not saying that bad things don't happen, but this is not the way to handle it. And you make good on it before you pull another one in. Once and you made a mistake - 4 times and you are just looking for the next sucker.

George Grand

One would think that the embarassment of being banned from the Flea Market area would cause an individual to ban himself from the rest of the forums. Long time members will remember the wangotango, iamgod, lildog affairs and that just wasn't the case was it? Some people have no shame, or can't be shamed.

Hotwheelman is far from being a long time member or original member as someone else suggested.

This behavior needed to be shared, and I thank Ted for bringing it out.

Skynut

We can start a pool and bet on what day he responds to these alegations and whether or not he will make good.

Midnite Mick

I got a grand on he won't. Hope HotWheelMan (or friend) doesn't take me up on that bet though.

Mike

P.S. I wonder if he calls himself HotWheelMan because he steals cars too?

F1nut

Posted on AK the same day he was suppose to send RT1 his $20.00. Looks like he spent it on a receiver and another pair of speakers.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=634937#post634937

Ban his sorry arse!!!

amulford

Pay up or roll... No ifs, ands, or buts.

szhleppy

F1nut wrote:

Posted on AK the same day he was suppose to send RT1 his $20.00. Looks like he spent it on a receiver and another pair of speakers.

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?p=634937#post634937

Ban his sorry arse!!!

Ouch! This should be the final nail in the coffin.

billbillw

Wow, I am amazed at this guy. He is truly taking advantage of the good natured folks around here. Maybe we should all just wait until payment is received before shipping things. Nobody should have to deal with this kinda crap.

Skynut

billbillw wrote:

Wow, I am amazed at this guy. He is truly taking advantage of the good natured folks around here. Maybe we should all just wait until payment is received before shipping things. Nobody should have to deal with this kinda crap.

I think the problem is we want to deal with up-standing people. If I say I will pay for something I will pay. That is how it works.

If your word isn't any good then you are not any good. (not directed at anyone but everyone)

I try to teach this to my kids. Honesty is the best policy. yada yada yada.

When a friend of mine had his first kid I was 20 years old and while she was toddling around I told her I would buy her a car someday. Mommie and Daddy remembered and reminded her. (she could not even talk when the promise was made) For all these years we joked about what kind of car she would get. My friend offered many times to give me a way out but I really didn't want to get out of it. She just turned 16 and I fulfilled my promise. My kids watched me dump money and time into a 1987 convertable mustang just to give it away to my friends kid. When they asked why I told them because I gave my word.


All I am saying is if you say you will do something or make a commitment then it is up to you to fulfill it. If you don't then people will think less of you.

brettw22

The reality is that it's as much our faults as sellers for letting this happen, but the odds are stacked very high in everyone's favor for deals working out on the up and up. Occasionally we're going to get a bad seed.

Midnite Mick

Well I'm impressed!

Mike

madmax

billbillw wrote:

Wow, I am amazed at this guy. He is truly taking advantage of the good natured folks around here. Maybe we should all just wait until payment is received before shipping things. Nobody should have to deal with this kinda crap.

I have shipped things before they are paid for and have received things before I paid for them. Some were really high dollar. Although it is a friendly gesture it could lead you (or your trading partner) into a bad place. I'm wondering if it is not best to do things in the traditional way, even here where we fully trust each other. I'm just thinking out loud here, no real pull either way. Lately I've tended to stay traditional just so one guy doesn't feel bad about paying first when another guy didn't. Any other thoughts on this as I've been going back and forth on the matter?
madmax

George Grand

Well, seeing how he was crass enough to POST that he spent money on something on the very day he should have been sending it to Ted, or Brett, or Russ........ maybe it is time for a total banishment. He's either a scummer, or he's for real got a screw loose.

I think the individuals initials and hometown should be posted as well here, just in case he tries an end run on some seller here. All we have right now is the name Hotwheelman. He might be a real Triggster, and we all know just how persistent that shitbag is.

Frank Z

I'd like to see a sticky for all bad sellers/buyers and the people they screwed. That way if you are going to make a flea market purchase you can check the Good Buyers and Sellers list and bounce it against the Scum Suckers list. The Screen Name of the people that got screwed over should also be listed in case anyone wanted further details via email or PM.

amulford

Frank Z wrote:

I'd like to se a sticky for all bad sellers and the people they screwed. That way if ou are going to make a flea market purchase you can check the Good Buyers and Sellers list and bounce it against the Scum Suckers list. The Screen Name of the people that got screwed over should also be listed in case anyone wanted further details via email or PM.

Good idea, but you won't ever see it happen. If you think they'll rip you off for a couple of jacksons, just imagine what they'd think they'd get from a profitable corporation for slander, personal emotional pain, and emotional trauma caused by their exposure for being the sh!tbag they really are.

Maybe percentage deal, but no further.

Screw it. Ban him.

I've made a few deals where the money didn't go out as soon as it well should have. But my word is bond, and you can take THAT to the f#ckin bank.

cfrizz

Frank excellant idea! I have now changed my mind, he is a ******* THIEF and should be banned from club polk all together.

Someone should also post over on the other board where he bought something with the money he should have sent to everyone he owes over here that he has ripped off members here!

Let's Charlie Wenzel his ****!:mad: :mad: :mad:

This is totally unacceptable & we owe it to everyone else who might think about doing business with this thief a heads up!

George Grand

Another website has already shot down the idea due to the possible legal ramifications. And I don't mean the idea in general. Jesse (who usually does pick up the flag and lead these charges) brought the H-wheelman story to AK and it was shot down.

George Grand

A large post count is no indication of anything. For instance, Troy owes me thousands of dollars for not stealing Wendi from him. He doesn't appear to be in any rush to send me the money. I think I'm being a pretty nice guy about the whole affair, but my kindness does have limits.

madmax

George, you are truly a saint.
madmax

TroyD

I got nothing.

I've officially been 'outed'.....can't I work on some sort of payment plan?

BDT