Rti10...which receiver?

plattq45
plattq45 Posts: 50
edited April 2006 in Speakers
Hi, just one quick question. For the Rti10 can the Harman Kardon 435 handle it? or would you guys suggest the 635. can save like 100 bucks if the 435 is good enought.

thanks.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited March 2006
    If you want to spend under a grand and don't want to go separates, I recommend the Harman Kardon avr-635/40
    H/K Signature 2.1+235
    Jungson MagicBoat II
    Revel Performa M-20
    Velodyne cht-10 sub
    Rega P1 Turntable

    "People working at Polk Audio must sit around the office and just laugh their balls off reading many of these comments." -Lush
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  • *Seby*-Polk-
    *Seby*-Polk- Posts: 375
    edited March 2006
    Buy a Denon receiver for RTi's. Great balance. Better than HK (IMHO)
    My current new system (step by step :D)

    A/V Receiver: YAMAHA RX-V657
    DVD Player: YAMAHA DVD-S657
    Main Towers: polkaudio® Monitor 50
    Wiring: NeoTecH KS1007 OFC High Definition Speaker Cable ( 2 x 2.64 mm² )
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  • plattq45
    plattq45 Posts: 50
    edited March 2006
    i'll properly go with the 635. you guy know how much for a decent seperate amp would cost? if i chose to get the 435.
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  • MADGSF
    MADGSF Posts: 603
    edited March 2006
    I have the same speakers with a Pioneer Elite receiver, which is no slouch, and am also looking for a good amp to power them. The HK 635 is a good choice, in addition to more power I think it has more features than the 435.

    Unfortuantely a decent two channel amp can run 500.00 or more, almost as much as the receiver. I am thinking about a Parasound/Halo amp because they are on the warm side and I feel the RTi-10s are a little bright. Don't have one yet and it will be some months before I can get one. So when you get your setup let us know what you got and how it sounds.
    AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
    Amplifier: B&K 7250 Series ii
    Misc: Velodyne SMS-1
    Mains: RTi-10
    Center: CSi-5
    Rear: Boston DSi460
    Sub: SVS PC-Ultra
    TV: Panasonic TC-P58V10
    DVD: Panasonic DMP-BD60K
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  • CaptainMurphy
    CaptainMurphy Posts: 15
    edited March 2006
    I just got an Anthem MCA 20 to power my RTi10's and they sound great i was running it off just an onkyo txnr801 but now i have the anthem doing the amp work and i am so much happier.
    Reciever: Onkyo TXNR801
    Mains: Polk RTI10's
    Center: Polk CSI5
    Sub: Polk PSW505, Polk PSW10
    CD: Onkyo DXC390
    DVD: Samsung DVDHD841
    HDTV: Panasonic 44" LCD
    XBOX 360
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited March 2006
    plattq45 wrote:
    Hi, just one quick question. For the Rti10 can the Harman Kardon 435 handle it? or would you guys suggest the 635. can save like 100 bucks if the 435 is good enought.

    thanks.

    Harman Kardon DPR 2005.
    cleaner and smoother then the other H/K products.
    120x7 and actually delivers.
    It's under 1grand at www.jr.com
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited March 2006
    plattq45 wrote:
    i'll properly go with the 635. you guy know how much for a decent seperate amp would cost? if i chose to get the 435.
    Patience is the key here. Look for used amps on Audiogon and eBay. Let Richie Rich buy it new, when the upgrade bug bites he'll sell it to you (for a lot le$$) :D
    Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
    HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10
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  • nellis8166
    nellis8166 Posts: 292
    edited March 2006
    I agree, I have a Denon as a pre/pro. An Adcom 5503 is powering my tens. I never even attemped to run them off a receiver.
    RTi10
    CSi5
    RTi28
    SVS PB12-ISD2

    Denon 2106(pre/pro)
    Adcom 5503(200x3)

    Audioquest Diamondback ICS
    Kimber Kable 8tc biwire(mains and center)

    "Don't let your silly dreams fall in between the crack of the bed and the wall."
    -J. James
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  • Mike682
    Mike682 Posts: 2,074
    edited March 2006
    RichterCAG wrote:
    Harman Kardon DPR 2005.
    cleaner and smoother then the other H/K products.
    120x7 and actually delivers.
    It's under 1grand at www.jr.com

    Onecall has the DPR 2005 for just $499.99 + shipping after instant 25.00 off coupon. This price is only good for the weekend. Sounds like a great deal on this HK.

    http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ID=23876
    Receiver: harmankardon AVR235
    Mains: polk R30
    Center: polk CSi3
    Rear Surrounds: polk R20
    Subwoofer: polk PSW404
    DVD: Panasonic DVD-S29
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  • Golu
    Golu Posts: 8
    edited March 2006
    Mike682 wrote:
    Onecall has the DPR 2005 for just $499.99 + shipping after instant 25.00 off coupon. This price is only good for the weekend. Sounds like a great deal on this HK.

    http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ID=23876

    HK DPRs will not perform anywhere close to 120W. Test shows they are around 39W with all 7 channels driven.

    Looks like HK is discountinuing them and thats why the good deals are showing everywhere.

    Dont buy DPR. Period.

    _Golu.
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited March 2006
    Golu wrote:
    HK DPRs will not perform anywhere close to 120W. Test shows they are around 39W with all 7 channels driven.

    Looks like HK is discountinuing them and thats why the good deals are showing everywhere.

    Dont buy DPR. Period.

    _Golu.


    HK does very well in power output specs actual vs published..
    Here are a couple of examples..
    AVR 7300 speced @ 110W x 7
    S&V measured 139W/CH (all channels driven) 21% above spec
    202W into 8 Ohms & 343w into 4 Ohms

    AVR330 speced @ 55W x 7
    S&V measured 66W/CH (all channels driven) 17% above spec
    95W into 8 Ohms & 148W into 4 Ohms

    If you need a few more just hit the goggle button and type in...
    hkamps_exceedspecs..
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • plattq45
    plattq45 Posts: 50
    edited March 2006
    thanks go much guys... didn't know i have so many options :)
    i just now thought about the receiver, Im using an HDMI/SACD dvd player and having a hard time finding a H/K that have HDMI input/output that is not up the mountain price :(
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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited March 2006
    I love my 635 and I personally feel like it has way way more than needed for the rti10's that I use. Its just so simple and clean and works each and every day just like it is supposed to.
    Harman Kardon AVR635
    RTi10's Up Front
    CSi5 Center
    RTi6's Rear Surround
    Furman RA-1210:rolleyes:
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited March 2006
    RichterCAG wrote:
    HK does very well in power output specs actual vs published..
    Here are a couple of examples..
    AVR 7300 speced @ 110W x 7
    S&V measured 139W/CH (all channels driven) 21% above spec
    202W into 8 Ohms & 343w into 4 Ohms

    AVR330 speced @ 55W x 7
    S&V measured 66W/CH (all channels driven) 17% above spec
    95W into 8 Ohms & 148W into 4 Ohms

    If you need a few more just hit the goggle button and type in...
    hkamps_exceedspecs..

    Richter,

    I think what Golu was trying to comment on was the DPR line and not the AVR line. The HK AVR does extremely close to its given ratings. All the reviews and inputs I have seen on the DPR is just the opposite. It is almost like there are two Harman companies, those that make the AVR and those that make the DPR.

    Of course I have not owned either so I am just relaying back what I have read. Hope I didn't inadvertently mislead anyone.
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
    __________________________________________
    Panasonic -50PX600U 50" Plasma
    Onkyo -TX-NR901 Receiver
    Oppo -Oppo 980HD Universal DVD Player
    Outlaw -770 (7x200watt) Amplifier
    PolkAudio - RTi12 (Left and Right)
    PolkAudio - CSi5 (Center)
    PolkAudio - FXi3 (Back and Surround)
    SVS - PB-12/Plus (Subwoofer)
    Bluejean Cables - Interconnects
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited March 2006
    I understand, of course there is a difference between the AVR and DPR line. If the DPR line from H/K is pure junk, I will conceid to that.

    Afterall, just doesn't add up why a 110x7 watt reciever would sell for 500-700 dollars...if the wattage was TRUE.

    But now I am a bit concerned. You see, a few days ago I recemended the DPRO2005 sight unseen to a fella on irc...yeah, you can see where this is going. :(
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2006
    Well if he bought it based upon your recommendation are you going to buy it off him? Might make a decent boat anchor!!

    Wonder why the better recievers have pre-outs?

    Start thinking current ratings/headroom, bottom line, receivers are pretty terriffic for HT, most all of them are lacking or compromised as far as Hi-Fi audio goes. No need to worry though, enjoy the ride, its fun.

    RT1
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  • plattq45
    plattq45 Posts: 50
    edited March 2006
    i was wondering if the H/K 240 has pre-out for external amp?
    and how many channels amp should i be looking at?

    thanks.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited March 2006
    plattq45 wrote:
    i was wondering if the H/K 240 has pre-out for external amp?
    and how many channels amp should i be looking at?

    thanks.

    yes it does. look at either a 5ch. amp or 7ch. depends on if you want 7.1 or 5.1. If you sit against the rear wall, 7.1 is useless.
    H/K Signature 2.1+235
    Jungson MagicBoat II
    Revel Performa M-20
    Velodyne cht-10 sub
    Rega P1 Turntable

    "People working at Polk Audio must sit around the office and just laugh their balls off reading many of these comments." -Lush
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  • plattq45
    plattq45 Posts: 50
    edited March 2006
    thanks.... im looking at a 5.1
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited March 2006
    The essential truth of the matter is that no reciever will drive the RTi10's as they are meant to be. Useless venture. Believe me, I know first hand.
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2006
    What a crock.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited March 2006
    dorokusai wrote:
    What a crock.

    Not a crock, but a truth.
    The only sugestion from the members' of this forum are 8,000 dollar parasound power amps.
    "oh gosh, its only 4 grand! Thats a budget deal!"
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2006
    That's not true, but feel free to generalize all you want. Happy listening!
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,215
    edited March 2006
    Generalizing in audio is very foolish. Also making an absolute statement is foolish. There are receivers that are capable of running the 10's beyond what most would consider very loud.

    http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html

    http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsx1067.htm

    http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsx1056.htm

    http://www.adcom.com/newproducts/gfr700ii.htm

    http://www.bkcomp.com/avr507.asp

    These are just off the top of my head. I much prefer seperates but one of the above receivers for HT would do quite well with the RTi line.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited March 2006
    heiney9 wrote:
    Generalizing in audio is very foolish. Also making an absolute statement is foolish. There are receivers that are capable of running the 10's beyond what most would consider very loud.

    http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html

    http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsx1067.htm

    http://www.rotel.com/products/specs/rsx1056.htm

    http://www.adcom.com/newproducts/gfr700ii.htm

    http://www.bkcomp.com/avr507.asp

    These are just off the top of my head. I much prefer seperates but one of the above receivers for HT would do quite well with the RTi line.

    H9

    Generalizing is very unfair and is harmful to the forums. I retract my words and appologize to anyone who may have been offended. :) Only frustrated. :cool: :(

    Back to the topic ... my system is currently driven by a reciever, an H/K 330 but its not sufficent for me. I agree that power seperates are the best way to go, and along those lines I was/am considering Parasound HCA-1200.

    but then again, let's face facts...the only contributions are "omg...its 12,000 dollar parasound. thats for budget buyers..get that for your rti10s." your heads are in the clouds
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • unbridled_id
    unbridled_id Posts: 179
    edited April 2006
    http://www.northamptonaudio.com/nad/potentpair.asp
    The greatest enemy of truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.

    Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited April 2006
    unbridled_id wrote:
    http://www.northamptonaudio.com/nad/potentpair.asp

    mmmmm :)
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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  • bob1964
    bob1964 Posts: 5
    edited April 2006
    Ive got a pair of RTi-10s with a Denon AVR 2801 and it sounds awesome.....so what am i missing ?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited April 2006
    Just enjoy what you have, don't get caught up over a few comments.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • RichterCAG
    RichterCAG Posts: 70
    edited April 2006
    Dorok is spot on, truly.
    Do not allow the comments of others to detract from your enjoyment of home theatre gear. Unless you are running Bose equipment. narf! :rolleyes:
    JVC 61FN97
    Harman Kardon avr330
    RTi10 l/r front
    CSi5 center
    Atrium 45 (four for the surrounds.)
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