Rant...

tonyb

CRY BABY"S!!!!!!!FREEDOM......FREEDOM.......SING IT WITH ME NOW.....FREEDOM...OH YEAH FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!You can all sell your stories walkin...IT"S ALL ABOUT FREEDOM OF CHOICE.And dont give me that tax dollar B.S.,My taxes go to support unwanted baby"s,schools for which I have no children in,corrupt goverments around the globe,single parents who married a bum and cant support their kids,drug addicts,poor people,disaster relief.....etc....etc..CHOICE MY FRIENDS!!!!Bars that allow smokers...dont go in .....choice....I dont like the way you smell from not takeing a shower in 2-weeks so I will stay away.....CHOICE....We are all given great freedoms in this
country and our freedom to choose is vidal,not forced on as so many are.And yes it is true,follow the money trail to all our society"s problems and you will find the culpret.Always about the money.OK,second verse...sing it ...FREEDOM...FREEDOM.....

Skynut

The gov. is playing drug dealer.
they outlawed cocaine, herion, crack, marijuana, barbituates, speed, and any other addictive substances they deem harmfull but they deal in tobacco?
Mucho dinero in tobacco. In fact I believe that tobacco helped build this country and now we have no financial way to ween ourselves off this addictive drug.
So the government taxes the hell out of it.
Look at the cost of gas. Another addiction of this country. Not many of us have the luxury of living within walking or biking distance of our jobs. Not all of us can take the bus to work. So therefore if we are not lucky enough to be able to survive off welfare we must get to work.
If you drive you pay taxes on gas that have nothing to do with the roads or air quality. They can jack these taxes up all they can get away with and we have no choice but to pay them.
Tobacco users are in the same boat.

tonyb

Amen....amen....sing It....amen Amen Amen....well said!

Fireman32

People are loosing jobs over this, because yuppie punk-**** junior's old man died and now he's running the company. He's giving smoking employees 90 days to quit or they're fired. Entire states are looking at banning smoking IN THE STATE. In AMERICA.[/QUOTE]


if they ever ban smoking you are going to have alot of people go postal. Including me because they are having nic fits. If they want to ban smoking in resturants im fine with that but if we cant smoke outside thats where there is goingto be a big problem

steveinaz

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2005-05-11-smoke-usat_x.htm

Direct quote from the article:

"And legal experts fear companies will try to control other aspects of employees' off-duty lifestyle, a trend that is already happening. Some companies are firing, suspending or charging higher insurance premiums to workers who are overweight, have high cholesterol or participate in risky activities."

Still need a safe to fall on your head to get it?

PEACE, out...

tonyb

Man... what a bunch of bull crap!!! Thats going way past the line.Smokers and dog people are way more nicer than other people.Besides,we also tip better than those non-smokeing,non-drinkin yuppies!!!!

aaharvel

kingsqueak wrote:

It has never been proven by an objective body that second hand smoke is anywhere near the danger that people hype it to be.

baloney; a broad statement to say the least by someone that can't disprove the dangers of 2nd hand smoke. and btw i agree with you on smokers rights. Totally. But that 2nd hand smoke garbage you posted is just plain ridiculous.

Let me guess, you don't believe in global warming either do you?

tonyb

Hey,dont get me started on 2nd hand smoke.Indoors,have a seperate place for smokers.I respect your rite to not breath it.We as a country have always had seperate places for smokers and non smokers and am OK with that.As for global warming...you have got to be kidding.Does it exist...of coarse....is it out fault....not likely.I suppose when the glaciers were melting thousands of years ago that would be global warming...but wait....there was no smokers...no cars...no factory"s...hmmmm.Fact is the earth goes thru climatic changes all the time.WE live in such a BLAME society that it has to be some one or some things fault.DO we harm our air....sure we do but not at the rate people would have you believe.Anything else on your mind? In case you wonder,yes,I smoke and like it damn it.

PolkThug

I just had a moment of silence and I drew a picture of Muhammad smoking a cigarette.

aaharvel

tonyb wrote:

Hey,dont get me started on 2nd hand smoke.Indoors,have a seperate place for smokers.I respect your rite to not breath it.We as a country have always had seperate places for smokers and non smokers and am OK with that.As for global warming...you have got to be kidding.Does it exist...of coarse....is it out fault....not likely.I suppose when the glaciers were melting thousands of years ago that would be global warming...but wait....there was no smokers...no cars...no factory"s...hmmmm.Fact is the earth goes thru climatic changes all the time.WE live in such a BLAME society that it has to be some one or some things fault.DO we harm our air....sure we do but not at the rate people would have you believe.Anything else on your mind? In case you wonder,yes,I smoke and like it damn it.

any facts to prove that man's actions don't speed the process of global warming up? or the significant dangers of 2nd hand smoke aren't all that serious?

not saying you're wrong. i'd just like to see some proof is all. Other than those so-called "experts"
from Hummer and Marlboro.

tonyb

HMMMM...which one is worse..2nd hand smoke or pollution from all those cars out there...hmmmmmmm.

BIZILL

MA NATURE will punish and cure as she sees fit.

tonyb

any to prove it does?Dirrectly.

kingsqueak

aaharvel wrote:

baloney; a broad statement to say the least by someone that can't disprove the dangers of 2nd hand smoke. and btw i agree with you on smokers rights. Totally. But that 2nd hand smoke garbage you posted is just plain ridiculous.

Let me guess, you don't believe in global warming either do you?

Follow the link and watch the show they prepared. Penn and Teller is just one outlet for this, they both hate smoking, and they pointed out clearly that the data is not valid for the effects of second hand smoke. This is a fact, the 'facts' used to 'prove' the dangers of secondhand smoke are invalid.

'Believe in global warming'

Let me guess, you don't analyze much of anything presented to you, do you?

Global warming is indeed a fact, the temperature is rising and weather is shifting.

However, why that is happening cannot be proven definitively. I'm supposing that you believe there is a definitive cause, say pollution and greenhouse gasses? That hasn't been proven and with the tiny splinter of useable data available vs the history of the earth, it won't be proven for centuries.

Stop being a sheep, break from the herd and think for yourself. Check your 'facts' and be critical of the sources.

Oh and incidentally, nothing having to do with saving the planet, I'm all for hydrogen fuel for vehicles or other means to drop emissions and make transportation more efficient and less costly. It's a simple matter of how you swallow the information vs common sense.

tonyb

Then those cave men must have really pissed her off.

tonyb

Amen To You Kingsqueak!!!!!!!!!!

aaharvel

kingsqueak wrote:

Let me guess, you don't analyze much of anything presented to you, do you?

However, why that is happening cannot be proven definitively.

and it can't be disproven definitively either. So in other words, we're both full of ****. But at least i'm in the popular (By far) full of **** camp.

and no, you're right I don't analyze anything. In fact i'm having my pet robot do all this typing for me right now.

aaharvel

"stop being a sheep"...

like finding the first link of something that you google at your total biased discretion?

yeah.

PhantomOG

Skynut wrote:

If you drive you pay taxes on gas that have nothing to do with the roads or air quality. They can jack these taxes up all they can get away with and we have no choice but to pay them.
Tobacco users are in the same boat.

Trying to draw a similarity between an individual's *need* for gasoline and *desire* for nicotine is laughable at best. You're addicted? Boo hoo. No one ever forced you to light up the first time.

All of us pay taxes and I bet close to 90% of that money goes towards things we don't make use of or are a complete waste. Complaining about the part of those taxes that you have COMPLETE control over is ridiculous. Fix the other percentage of taxes that affect us all and we can't control . I don't have any kids, but I sure as hell pay alot for my neighbors brats to have an education.

BIZILL

dudes...i meant that our little existence can only marginally affect/effect ma nature. i am in the camp of cows' farts have more to do with the ozone/warming than we humans.

aaharvel

BIZILL wrote:

dudes...i meant that our little existence can only marginally affect/effect ma nature. i am in the camp of cows' farts have more to do with the ozone/warming than we humans.

cow farts. bad vermon!

tonyb

I Will Agree To That...amen Bro!!!

kingsqueak

aaharvel wrote:

"stop being a sheep"...

like finding the first link of something that you google at your total biased discretion?

yeah.

I didn't just google that, I watched that show, I've watched all of their series actually. Netflix it, it is enlightening. I like to use them because they present the information in a simple, consumable manner. If I started linking to the raw data, people would never understand it. That is what special interest groups are banking on.

There are other sources for similar critical analysis out there, just not in the mainstream media. Unfortunately most 'facts' anymore have an agenda driving their origin. Even more unfortunate, most people never consider the source.

I have family relatives that live off the teat of tax/grant monies. Very bright, multiple PhD types. Their living relies upon their delivering data to keep those happy that issue the grant monies. They are all the first to admit that they must interpret the data in their fields to provide a suitable report...to continue their funding. This is where many of the studies done originate, the one study done that has been cited for decades in the secondhand smoke crusade came from this system.

We're both full of **** is my point actually. Just don't say that you can prove what you are saying, it is not possible. I never said that second hand smoke is definitively harmless. I can however say for sure that it hasn't been proven to be anywhere near as harmful as some would like us to believe. Until that happens, this is all a sucker's game, we are all being duped or victimized depending on which side we are on. That is my point.

Ask people what danger asbestos represents...I will guarantee you that you get a bunch of bunk over that as well. It is yet another overhyped myth, designed to make lawyers money and again victimize the public. There is indeed a risk with it, however it is nowhere near what the herd is led to believe.

aaharvel

kingsqueak wrote:

We're both full of **** is my point actually.

that's all I was trying to say. My position is that I have no position. At least from a 100% bulletproof perspective.

When we both get our PHD's and engineering degrees then we'll have it out.
On that note, I'm going to save the Earth and walk (:mad: ) to El Carrington and have a Taco and Cervesa for all the Polkies.

and King, you should consider doing cliff-notation. Believe me I was there at one point. If there's any one lesson I've learned on these forums, it's that no one reads past the sixth line if they can help it. :cool:

tonyb

I Love This Guy...will You Marry Me? PLEASE SAY YES KING...

aaharvel

except maybe for Tonyb.

tonyb

your still reading aint ya?

Demiurge

There's nothing more bullet proof than property rights.

PolkThug

Demiurge wrote:

There's nothing more bullet proof than property rights.

Until eminent domain comes to your neighborhood.

mrbigbluelight

steveinaz wrote:

Be back in a sec, I'm gonna grab a smoke...

Most excellent post, expertly delivered.

Succinct, distinct, insightful, and , uhm .....delightful !



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